Guest dog14787 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The link to the tweets is right there in the story. My bad, thanks for responding Tim. I thought the twitters from T.O. you refer to were out of line. (trash talk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 So Harrison is "part of the media" now? To borrow a phrase, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. TO's mistake is not realizing that when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig actually enjoys it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 So Harrison is "part of the media" now? To borrow a phrase, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. TO's mistake is not realizing that when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig actually enjoys it. awesome!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Interesting that Owens didn't seem to have a problem with the media when they were chronicling his every move during camp, when he invited JW along on his house-hunting expedition, etc. ... Buy the ticket, take the ride. Plenty of room for, umm, discussion on this one. By all means, feel free to disagree with the piece. All I'll ask is that you not create work for the moderators by descending to the "your a #### idiot" level -- for that, you can head over to Tim's blog -- and I appreciate the fact that the previous comments in this thread have not done so. Lori: that is the juxtaposition T.O. finds himself in, opening himself up to the media in certain situations and then vexed by it in others. it's really no different, though, than other high-profile entertainers who have established a divisive reputation: from Tom Cruise to Brittany Spears, all needing the media and then being bitten by it. for T.O. to claim that he was as one poster put it, "goated," then perhaps he should see Thurman about the animal running around on his lot these days. ... heh, heh. ... in all seriousness, perhaps he thought that was the case, but you'd think he was more adept at dealing with the media. that said, i do think T.O. was put in a no-win situation, in which he did help create by essentially being forced to talk to the media after this game because he failed to do so after the past two. bad timing all around on that one. and while T.O., i guess, was somewhat wrong to tweet back at Harrison, i'm not exactly sure if Harrison wasn't attempting to establish his street cred as a "commentator" by making the clown remark. based on some of the comments posted on this board regarding certain members of the media, players, other posters, i'm wondering if Harrison isn't an honorary member of TBD himself. but how this all erupted from a molehill is far beyond me, however, and how a certain quarterback has escaped blame is another, because all this attention at T.O. seems a little misdirected. observation: if Andre Reed was ever called a clown in the media, i'd guess that Jim Kelly would've heard about it and be among the first to come to his defense, eh? just wondering. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Did you ever speak with Mularkey or Donohoe about the Buffalo media? If memory serves, Donohoe thought it was unbelievably negative compared to Pittsburgh. I'm guessing he's still shocked at the stupid hubbub that ensued when he said 'save your postage.' Here's a hint: How many Super Bowl trophies do the Steelers have? the Bills? The Bills get negative attention because they do not produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 To be fair, Graham mentioned Dungy's take, but didn't mention others (Martz, Mariucci) who did line up on the other side of the issue. However, I think the thrust of this is correct. TO isn't a dumb guy or a media neophyte. He certainly could've chosen to take off the dark sunglasses and politely provide more responsive, yet still innocuous, answers to the questions. I'm not sure how a reporter couldn't at least ask about the elephant standing in the room - i.e. the (obvious?) underuse of TO and Evans. I think a big issue has been overlooked. I didn't have a problem with the questions. I didn't like the tone the press used. It was disrespectful and degrading. Why should he take off his glasses? T.O. is very emotional. Maybe he was taking the loss hard. It never ceases to amaze me how these sportswriters and analysts act like they have some inside track to these player's intentions, inner thoughts, and motivations. They don't know why they do and say the things they do much less somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 but how this all erupted from a molehill is far beyond me, however, and how a certain quarterback has escaped blame is another, because all this attention at T.O. seems a little misdirected. observation: if Andre Reed was ever called a clown in the media, i'd guess that Jim Kelly would've heard about it and be among the first to come to his defense, eh? just wondering. jw How dare you doubt the golden one anointed by the sainted Bill Walsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 observation: if Andre Reed was ever called a clown in the media, i'd guess that Jim Kelly would've heard about it and be among the first to come to his defense, eh? just wondering. jw Great, GREAT observation John.... When Jauron's ability was being questioned, the so-called "leaders" of this team (Trent, Donte, etc.) were tripping over themselves to defend him. A scathing commentary about a teammate from a player of a hated division rival and nary a peep. Could this speak to TO's perception in the locker room or proof that this team lacks the strong character to defend its own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Could this speak to TO's perception in the locker room or proof that this team lacks the strong character to defend its own? Respect has to be earned and I think no one on the O, except perhaps Evans, has the 'weight' to stand up for a team mate and make himself heard in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 but how this all erupted from a molehill is far beyond me, however, and how a certain quarterback has escaped blame is another, because all this attention at T.O. seems a little misdirected. He's a clown if he throws his QB under the bus and he's a clown if he doesn't throw his QB under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I always felt "Bickering Bills" was kind-of overblown. Really, though...TO gets the coverage he gets because 1) he's a drama queen, and 2) the media loves controversy. Anyone who holds either TO or the media solely responsibly is missing the very real co-dependence betwen TO and the media that exists at this point. And the fans, for that matter. In all this talk about TO looking for attention, and the media looking for a TO-blowup to write about, no one's yet taken notice of the fact that the fans are eating up the controversy about...what, exactly? A controversy about there not being enough of a controversy over a usually controversial player? That's a great summation, Counselor. I was wondering about one comment you made Tim if you have a moment: The brassy New York Jets benched receiver David Clowney on Sunday for a tweet that reflected poorly on the team. Owens, meanwhile, is tweeting like a trash-talking canary. Is there a twitter in particular you are referring to because I monitor T.O.'s twitters and I'm not sure I have seen anything reflecting poorly on the team or considered trash talking. I suppose trash talking carries a broad interpretation, but I was curious if there was something in particular that caught your attention. (I don't read them all) I'm partial to this one from before the TB game, even though I wholeheartedly agree with Owens on the subject of Bayless: @terrellowens : @RealSkipBayless whn i score this wkend u dirtbag, i'm still nt gonna talk! Lori:that is the juxtaposition T.O. finds himself in, opening himself up to the media in certain situations and then vexed by it in others. it's really no different, though, than other high-profile entertainers who have established a divisive reputation: from Tom Cruise to Brittany Spears, all needing the media and then being bitten by it. for T.O. to claim that he was as one poster put it, "goated," then perhaps he should see Thurman about the animal running around on his lot these days. ... heh, heh. ... in all seriousness, perhaps he thought that was the case, but you'd think he was more adept at dealing with the media. that said, i do think T.O. was put in a no-win situation, in which he did help create by essentially being forced to talk to the media after this game because he failed to do so after the past two. bad timing all around on that one. and while T.O., i guess, was somewhat wrong to tweet back at Harrison, i'm not exactly sure if Harrison wasn't attempting to establish his street cred as a "commentator" by making the clown remark. based on some of the comments posted on this board regarding certain members of the media, players, other posters, i'm wondering if Harrison isn't an honorary member of TBD himself. but how this all erupted from a molehill is far beyond me, however, and how a certain quarterback has escaped blame is another, because all this attention at T.O. seems a little misdirected. observation: if Andre Reed was ever called a clown in the media, i'd guess that Jim Kelly would've heard about it and be among the first to come to his defense, eh? just wondering. jw Good stuff all around, JW. I don't think there was much love for Rotten Rodney here even before he got the TV job and started opening his yap, though, so the honorary membership is probably out. Owens would have probably been better served by replying in a calmer manner, but, well, that's not who he is. And because it was an ex-player taking the shots, that surely added to the testosterone level of the response. And yes, if someone was smack-talking Andre Reed, I doubt Kelly would have come out with a line like, "I haven’t even been watching any of it. I don’t even know what kind of heat has been taken. So I am the wrong person to ask in terms of that." He and Dre mixed it up on the sideline, sure, but that's within the family. Outsiders don't get that privilege, and meek non-answers like Edwards' shouldn't be an option. We had great fun here with Owens' teary "That's my quarterback" riff in Dallas, but at least he was sticking up for a teammate ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 That's a great summation, Counselor. I'm partial to this one from before the TB game, even though I wholeheartedly agree with Owens on the subject of Bayless: @terrellowens : @RealSkipBayless whn i score this wkend u dirtbag, i'm still nt gonna talk! Good stuff all around, JW. I don't think there was much love for Rotten Rodney here even before he got the TV job and started opening his yap, though, so the honorary membership is probably out. Owens would have probably been better served by replying in a calmer manner, but, well, that's not who he is. And because it was an ex-player taking the shots, that surely added to the testosterone level of the response. And yes, if someone was smack-talking Andre Reed, I doubt Kelly would have come out with a line like, "I haven’t even been watching any of it. I don’t even know what kind of heat has been taken. So I am the wrong person to ask in terms of that." He and Dre mixed it up on the sideline, sure, but that's within the family. Outsiders don't get that privilege, and meek non-answers like Edwards' shouldn't be an option. We had great fun here with Owens' teary "That's my quarterback" riff in Dallas, but at least he was sticking up for a teammate ... Yup, more trash talk for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 And yes, if someone was smack-talking Andre Reed, I doubt Kelly would have come out with a line like, "I haven’t even been watching any of it. I don’t even know what kind of heat has been taken. So I am the wrong person to ask in terms of that." He and Dre mixed it up on the sideline, sure, but that's within the family. Outsiders don't get that privilege, and meek non-answers like Edwards' shouldn't be an option. We had great fun here with Owens' teary "That's my quarterback" riff in Dallas, but at least he was sticking up for a teammate ... Was that Trent's response? If it was, then I truly wonder if he has the backbone to be a leader on this team for the future.... Not to look much into one's comments but let's put this in a hockey perspective where the code of the "team" is much more sacred. Imagine if Darcy Tucker of the Leafs (I chose him because in terms of hockey hate, I have never hated a player on a hated team as much as him...) decides to come out and call Daniel Briere a cancer, a loser, etc... a) You know Drury will stick up for his teammate b) You know the rest of the team will enact justice on the ice. Either by pounding them on the ice or on the scoreboard. I would hope that Trent would defend his teammate better than the above quote and then I would hope that the Bills pummel the Pats either and/or on the scoreboard to give Harrison a colossal "FU" for bringing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I haven't seen anyone ask the obvious question: why is Tim Graham on TO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 How dare you doubt the golden one anointed by the sainted Bill Walsh? what doubt? i merely called it an observation by referring to some quarterback and ended it with a Canadianism, which is certainly within my right, considering my heritage, eh? jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 What Owens tweeted repeatedly about Rodney Harrison's suspension I certainly consider trash talking. Rodney Harrison IS trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 what doubt? i merely called it an observation by referring to some quarterback and ended it with a Canadianism, which is certainly within my right, considering my heritage, eh? jw Who knows, maybe that quarterback got flustered that someone mentioned him and Peyton Manning in the same sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 observation: if Andre Reed was ever called a clown in the media, i'd guess that Jim Kelly would've heard about it and be among the first to come to his defense, eh? jw That would have been me. Andre's my fave all-time Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Wow. Sorry, Tim! I thought your article was interesting. The reaction of many here is predictable, but then again, so would be their take on the entire TO show if he played for any other AFCE team. Can you imagine the mockery beginning as soon as he was signed, through the "reality show", the jewelry shopping spree with the girls, the fabricated house hunting controversy, the "tension" in the post game press conf..... Anyway, sure Harrison is over the top and silly with his I'm -still-in-your-face-guys! national TV attacks. But his point is that TO is not upset with the loss, he is upset that his streak ended on another day where he was not involved in the offense. What do you think his behavior would have been if the Bills had pulled out a win with a couple of defensive or ST TDs--with the same poor, no TO offensive performance? You think he would be celebrating, elated? Go back and see how badly he felt about losing the SB. The press doesn't "fabricate" TO material (they don't ned to!)--he is in complete control of his image. Witness his "I am going to take the high road and not let these media fiends 'goat' me into disparaging others" followed immediately by his juvenile twittering response to Harrison's over-the-top comments. TO is the master. There has never been an NFL player like him in this regard. The proof is that he as many here wrapping themselves up in the TO flag, despite his mediocre (kindly said) performance on the field. He completely understands that, because this is the worst team he has ever played on, his calling out of teammates is actually encouraged by certain fans--so when his inevitable on-field, sideline, twitter meltdown occurs, it will have little consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Harrison is a champion, but also a cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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