bobcat Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 http://www.profootballcentral.com/2009/08/...-crabtree-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huuuge Bills Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Great news, hopefully he can be at camp within the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 So, he may be signed in time to play in 4 preseason games? Um, yeah, I guess that kinda works for me. No harm, no foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Yeah, even if he gets three preseason games, i think we're going to be fine. It's been stupid, like most of the other draft picks who haven't been signed, but I think it won't really matter as long as he gets a few weeks in. IF he's been working out like he plans to play in the NFL this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If true, finally some sanity. Even with Moreno signing, Joel Segal (Maybin's agent) could still have waited for a decision on Crabtree (I hope the 49'ers call his bluff and pull their contract offer) so as to get a better contract. Or maybe Segal knows that Crabtree isn't getting even close to what he asked for and is only being offered the 10th slot salary, making a continued "holdout" a bad idea. I don't know. Just sign a contract and get into camp, rookie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If true, finally some sanity. Even with Moreno signing, Joel Segal (Maybin's agent) could still have waited for a decision on Crabtree (I hope the 49'ers call his bluff and pull their contract offer) so as to get a better contract. Or maybe Segal knows that Crabtree isn't getting even close to what he asked for and is only being offered the 10th slot salary, making a continued "holdout" a bad idea. I don't know. Just sign a contract and get into camp, rookie! I noticed the 4th pick did better than the 3rd so the slotting thing is not always in stone though maybe Crabtree does get what he wants in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If true, finally some sanity. Even with Moreno signing, Joel Segal (Maybin's agent) could still have waited for a decision on Crabtree (I hope the 49'ers call his bluff and pull their contract offer) so as to get a better contract. Or maybe Segal knows that Crabtree isn't getting even close to what he asked for and is only being offered the 10th slot salary, making a continued "holdout" a bad idea. I don't know. Just sign a contract and get into camp, rookie! Crabtree is killing himself right now. If he goes a year out of football he won't even be drafted in the top 15 next year IMO. This whole situation is retarded. Thank God for some reason from Maybin, his agent, and the Bills' FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 http://www.profootballcentral.com/2009/08/...-crabtree-deal/ Maybe we should trade him for a guard because he decided to hold out or better yet a dime back. He must not have a true heart of a Buffalo Bill because he dared to hold out. Here's hoping Trent stays upright tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Crabtree is killing himself right now. If he goes a year out of football he won't even be drafted in the top 15 next year IMO. This whole situation is retarded. Thank God for some reason from Maybin, his agent, and the Bills' FO. If he actually sits out the year, I think what will happen is that the NFL draft will look more like the MLB draft, where there is a slotting system, but some players make known that they won't sign unless the team offers above slot. So, you could see Crabtree slip until a team willing to pay him top-5 money, regardless of where he's drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 God, I hope this report is accurate. Pubic Crabstree's agent may be looking ahead to next year which may be uncapped. If a CBA gets done before then then Pubic Crabtree may be screwed by a rookie slotting system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Maybe we should trade him for a guard because he decided to hold out or better yet a dime back.He must not have a true heart of a Buffalo Bill because he dared to hold out. Here's hoping Trent stays upright tonight. Players have all the leverage in the league. Even rookies and their agents, when properly hyped, command the ability to negotiate as long as need be. It may not see fair, but it's reality. The line will be a concern, and minus their best OLineman, how can it not be? Buffalo gambled a lot when Peters went out the door, forcing all those moves. If it doesn't work, the front office should be nuked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Players have all the leverage in the league. Even rookies and their agents, when properly hyped, command the ability to negotiate as long as need be. It may not see fair, but it's reality. The line will be a concern, and minus their best OLineman, how can it not be? Buffalo gambled a lot when Peters went out the door, forcing all those moves. If it doesn't work, the front office should be nuked. An NFL team OWNS a player's rights (the player can't negotiate with any other ream) and can void the contract anytime they see fit with no financial penalty (other than the guaranteed money paid). Furthermore, the teams are restricted in what they can pay players, by the salary cap. But the players have all the leverage. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason268152 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 An NFL team OWNS a player's rights (the player can't negotiate with any other ream) and can void the contract anytime they see fit with no financial penalty (other than the guaranteed money paid). Furthermore, the teams are restricted in what they can pay players, by the salary cap. But the players have all the leverage. Right. You were right Deann ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 You were right Deann ! BTW, this article suggests the Bills are the ones who have been waiting for Crabtree to sign: Buffalo management is well aware that the 49ers are having issues signing Michael Crabtree who was drafted a pick earlier than Maybin and will not wait until that deal is finalized to sign Maybin. I have no idea if it is true, but it may very well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Maybe we should trade him for a guard because he decided to hold out or better yet a dime back.He must not have a true heart of a Buffalo Bill because he dared to hold out. Here's hoping Trent stays upright tonight. trade for a guard???? or dime back???? please tell me you are joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 It will be good to get him into camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Cool. Camp breaks next Wednesday....be nice if he can make it before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Maybin's agent = fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Maybin's agent = fail. Buffalo management is well aware that the 49ers are having issues signing Michael Crabtree who was drafted a pick earlier than Maybin and will not wait until that deal is finalized to sign Maybin. According to this article, the Bills were the party holding out on a deal until some others were done. My guess is both sides were in no real rush. Now that Knowshon is done, it is probably time to crank up the talks. I'm sure both sides would prefer Crabtree be done first, but it's now clear that isn't likely to happen, so things should go a little more quickly, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason268152 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 According to this article, the Bills were the party holding out on a deal until some others were done. My guess is both sides were in no real rush. Now that Knowshon is done, it is probably time to crank up the talks. I'm sure both sides would prefer Crabtree be done first, but it's now clear that isn't likely to happen, so things should go a little more quickly, I think. I really doubt the Bills were waiting for Crabtree! I doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I doesn't make any sense. Finally, the truth comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I really doubt the Bills were waiting for Crabtree! I doesn't make any sense. I agree with this. It brings into question the credibility of this site. I'm not at all familiar with Pro Football Central and give the report no credence. I'm hopeful but until a more credible news outlet breaks this, I do not trust this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The Bills aren't waiting on Crabtree. Whoever wrote that report is a moron. Why would the Bills wait on a guy who is demanding top-3 money, when it will only drive-up the price of their draft pick, as well as delay getting him into camp? Can anyone be a "sportswriter" these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The Bills aren't waiting on Crabtree. Whoever wrote that report is a moron. Why would the Bills wait on a guy who is demanding top-3 money, when it will only drive-up the price of their draft pick, as well as delay getting him into camp? Can anyone be a "sportswriter" these days? Because the Bills know he WON'T GET top 3 money. He is going to get what he is slotted to get, if he were to sign soon. It is very easy to do the contract if the player before, and after, the pick are already signed. Both sides like that. Now that it is clear he is demanding more $$ than his position is due, and has threatened to sit out, his signing is no longer a boon. That is why they want to move on. It is easier now that Knowshon is signed. If Raji is signed, it should be a breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 We need him, especially after watching the 1st half of the HOF game (no pass-rush again!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Because the Bills know he WON'T GET top 3 money. He is going to get what he is slotted to get, if he were to sign soon. It is very easy to do the contract if the player before, and after, the pick are already signed. Both sides like that. Now that it is clear he is demanding more $ than his position is due, and has threatened to sit out, his signing is no longer a boon. That is why they want to move on. It is easier now that Knowshon is signed. If Raji is signed, it should be a breeze. With Moreno's numbers known, there is no reason not to forget Crabtree and workout a deal with Maybin. Waiting can only make things worse, not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 With Moreno's numbers known, there is no reason not to forget Crabtree and workout a deal with Maybin. Waiting can only make things worse, not better. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 BTW, this article suggests the Bills are the ones who have been waiting for Crabtree to sign: Buffalo management is well aware that the 49ers are having issues signing Michael Crabtree who was drafted a pick earlier than Maybin and will not wait until that deal is finalized to sign Maybin. I have no idea if it is true, but it may very well be. I don't know about that interpretation. It seems to me that they are telling his agent they aren't going to wait any longer. Brandon has said in the recent past that Maybin's agent wasn't even communicating with them. I think since Moreno has signed they are saying; "Good enough to run numbers now! Let's get it over with!" JMO Here's another piece on the issue that backs up my interpretation, I think. It's Day Two of the Aaron Maybin holdout, and multiple sources tell us that the Bills and the eleventh overall pick in the draft aren't even remotely close to doing a deal. In fact, we hear the two sides barely are talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 This is from today's Buffalo News under the title Signing of No. 1 pick Maybin doesn't appear imminent. Whether Maybin's representation will be comfortable doing a deal without the 10th pick slotted remains to be seen. Well I guess we'll soon find out who has the better sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Because the Bills know he WON'T GET top 3 money. He is going to get what he is slotted to get, if he were to sign soon. It is very easy to do the contract if the player before, and after, the pick are already signed. Both sides like that. Now that it is clear he is demanding more $$ than his position is due, and has threatened to sit out, his signing is no longer a boon. That is why they want to move on. It is easier now that Knowshon is signed. If Raji is signed, it should be a breeze. maybe the front office could actually do their job of getting their players in camp - and not use the crutch that every other #1 pick has not signed just trying to squeeze the last nickel pretty convenient if the #1 priority is saving money to wait and essentially be forced into the slotted deal- Ralph can't B word then. Of course the football product takes a huge hit because your #1 savior at a huge position of need will miss all of camp and suffer the consequences. squeezing dollars = job #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 maybe the front office could actually do their job of getting their players in camp - and not use the crutch that every other #1 pick has not signed just trying to squeeze the last nickel pretty convenient if the #1 priority is saving money to wait and essentially be forced into the slotted deal- Ralph can't B word then. Of course the football product takes a huge hit because your #1 savior at a huge position of need will miss all of camp and suffer the consequences. squeezing dollars = job #1 Go back to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Pro Football Central is NOT a reliable site. They're the same guys who spread that wildly inaccurate John Henderson to the Bills rumor awhile back, they never get any "scoops"...it's all just informed guessing and scouring KFFL for the latest news updates to create the illusion they are breaking news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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