The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Florence tweeted that he wants vick, is there a really a chance of this happening? Are you serious? I doubt Ralph is interested in a marginal QB who hasn't competed in two years with the baggage he brings, at a position that the Bills are not desperate to fill. I also doubt Vick has any interest in coming to Buffalo, a small market city, to join a team with a clear #1 QB, and an extremely conservative head coach. Also note, the Bills have said they are not interested. (Full disclosure: This was a few months ago.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are you serious? I doubt Ralph is interested in a marginal QB who hasn't competed in two years with the baggage he brings, at a position that the Bills are not desperate to fill. I also doubt Vick has any interest in coming to Buffalo, a small market city, to join a team with a clear #1 QB, and an extremely conservative head coach. Also note, the Bills have said they are not interested. (Full disclosure: This was a few months ago.) Would you give the starting QB job to either of our current backup QB's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Was he that bad? I keep hearing allusions to the fact that he got completely burned on at least one occasion but was his performance consistantly poor? Would be nice to get some further details on that from someone who was there. He had a rough day. Of course, they were playing off the line on (to my eyes) a majority of the plays, which frustrates me to no end. I thought he wasn't in bad position on the first long completion to T.O. down the left sideline, but Edwards laid the ball in there perfectly. However, there were a couple of other plays where he got beat cleanly. (Aside: I've heard Evans and Owens are both pretty good receivers. When you're watching intrasquad work, there's always the question of whether it was a bad job on one side of the ball, or merely someone making a play on the other.) But while Tim and I were watching that morning practice, the third one was enough to make him say, "McKelvin again. Hmm. Maybe that's who I'm writing about today." And the play during the afternoon session where he ended up on the ground was just ugly. Let's hope it was just a bad day. That possibility does exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are you serious? I doubt Ralph is interested in a marginal QB who hasn't competed in two years with the baggage he brings, at a position that the Bills are not desperate to fill. I also doubt Vick has any interest in coming to Buffalo, a small market city, to join a team with a clear #1 QB, and an extremely conservative head coach. Also note, the Bills have said they are not interested. (Full disclosure: This was a few months ago.) Yeah, I would doubt that he would want a former 1,000 yard rusher and a player with a winning record. It's not like the "Wildcat" has made a role for players like Vick recently. He also would allow our playcalling to be a little bit less predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 He had a rough day. Of course, they were playing off the line on (to my eyes) a majority of the plays, which frustrates me to no end. I thought he wasn't in bad position on the first long completion to T.O. down the left sideline, but Edwards laid the ball in there perfectly. However, there were a couple of other plays where he got beat cleanly. (Aside: I've heard Evans and Owens are both pretty good receivers. When you're watching intrasquad work, there's always the question of whether it was a bad job on one side of the ball, or merely someone making a play on the other.) But while Tim and I were watching that morning practice, the third one was enough to make him say, "McKelvin again. Hmm. Maybe that's who I'm writing about today." And the play during the afternoon session where he ended up on the ground was just ugly. Let's hope it was just a bad day. That possibility does exist. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Thanks No prob. Here's what Tim ended up writing: Observations from first weekend of Bills camp Second-year right cornerback Leodis McKelvin should have stayed in bed Sunday. Evans and Terrell Owens abused last year's 11th overall draft pick in both sessions. In the morning, Owens torched him twice and Evans once on long, arcing Trent Edwards bombs. In the afternoon, Evans made a sensational grab near the end zone on another long ball despite coverage from McKelvin and safety Donte Whitner. Not long after, Owens caught a quick in and then cut back to the sideline, sending the helpless McKelvin sliding on his rump. At least McKelvin was getting beaten by some of the best in the business. Then again, he'll have to defend similar players during the season. Valid point there at the end. Of course, it's not like any of the other Bills CBs have looked all that great against Randy Moss, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 He had a rough day. Of course, they were playing off the line on (to my eyes) a majority of the plays, which frustrates me to no end. I thought he wasn't in bad position on the first long completion to T.O. down the left sideline, but Edwards laid the ball in there perfectly. However, there were a couple of other plays where he got beat cleanly. (Aside: I've heard Evans and Owens are both pretty good receivers. When you're watching intrasquad work, there's always the question of whether it was a bad job on one side of the ball, or merely someone making a play on the other.) But while Tim and I were watching that morning practice, the third one was enough to make him say, "McKelvin again. Hmm. Maybe that's who I'm writing about today." And the play during the afternoon session where he ended up on the ground was just ugly. Let's hope it was just a bad day. That possibility does exist. That possibility certainly does exist. I did see his interception from Saturday. The kid has mad skills. I'm convinced the only reason he didn't have a lot of interceptions in college is because quarterbacks were simply not challenging him. Let's just hope he's not another Phillip Buchanon. For my own (hopeful) part, I'm not worried about Leodis. As for Will Jay...Drayton Florence, he'd best keep his mouth shut. Maybe people will think I'm crazy and that I believe in conspiracy theories but I did note last year that Darian Barnes was cut last year shortly after his third appearance on "The Jim Rome Show." It's only a gut feeling but I don't think the Bills like their marginal players reaching out for media attention. And has been already pointed out, there's lots of stiff competition at cornerback. He should be worrying about his game, not starting a grass roots movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 You could, but it would make equally little sense. Now you're apparently saying that we can't sufficiently educate ourselves on the details of the Vick conviction to form a valid opinion? Or that because we don't have the number for Ralph's private phone at Grosse Pointe Shores, we shouldn't bother expressing said opinion? Again: that's the very reason the Stadium Wall exists, to "foster a healthy exchange of views about the Buffalo Bills." No, my point is simply that you can't sufficiently educate yourselves on the inner workings of Mike Vick's mind to see if he has changed as a person. But you are still only hearing what you want to hear, putting words in my mouth, and missing the entire point of my posts that I've stated very, very clearly numerous times. I think you're missing the point completely. Remorse is a human emotion, there is no way you could ever understand how Vick feels about the situation based on your opinions of him. I am fine with your opinion on the Vick situation. I am not fine with anyone forming opinions on what is going on in Vick's brain at the moment. That's foolishness. As much as you want to, you're not going to get me into an argument over whether or not Vick should be reinstated. I have no opinion on the subject, so stop trying to pull me into that. I understand changing the course of argument is good for winning debates, but it's terrible for intelligent conversation. This is the last time I'm clarifying it. If you don't get it yet, you are a true moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yeah, I would doubt that he would want a former 1,000 yard rusher and a player with a winning record. It's not like the "Wildcat" has made a role for players like Vick recently. He also would allow our playcalling to be a little bit less predictable. The Bills have an embarrassment of riches at the RB position. I'll take Lynch or Jackson over Vick any day, as a RB. Vick was, in part, a product of his offense, and his rushing yardage benefited from his reluctance to throw (and his freedom to run in the offense). Jauron isn't likely to let Vick freelance the way he was allowed to play in Atlanta. Add to that two years of inaction, and a minimum 6 game suspension (as I understand it). What makes you think Vick 2006 = Vick 2009? Truth is, it doesn't matter what you or I think. I stand by my earlier post. He's not right for the Bills and the Bills aren't right for him. He is likely to get an offer from a higher profile team. Do you really expect Ralph to outbid another team for his services, or do you expect Vick to take less to come to Buffalo. Try to think a couple of steps above the Skooby/retard level. What is actually likely to happen here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 That possibility certainly does exist. I did see his interception from Saturday. The kid has mad skills. I'm convinced the only reason he didn't have a lot of interceptions in college is because quarterbacks were simply not challenging him. Let's just hope he's not another Phillip Buchanon. For my own (hopeful) part, I'm not worried about Leodis. As for Will Jay...Drayton Florence, he'd best keep his mouth shut. Maybe people will think I'm crazy and that I believe in conspiracy theories but I did note last year that Darian Barnes was cut last year shortly after his third appearance on "The Jim Rome Show." It's only a gut feeling but I don't think the Bills like their marginal players reaching out for media attention. And has been already pointed out, there's lots of stiff competition at cornerback. He should be worrying about his game, not starting a grass roots movement. But it was also after he played in enough games to guarantee his annual salary. Not the worst thing that could have happened to him; he was not cut in pre-season which I think is increasingly likely for Mr. Drayton. I remember watching Drayton in a couple San Diego games where he was penalized and burned and thinking "glad that guy is not a Bill". Now he is, he better just be quiet and try to get a job. Barnes at least did that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 This is the last time I'm clarifying it. If you don't get it yet, you are a true moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ya know, it's funny, SJBF. While the CBs were doing their position drills in the corner of the field we were watching, I mentioned to Tim how smooth McKelvin looked as he went through the backpedal-turn-run moves. "A lot smoother than McGee, anyway," I noted. And then he proceeded to stink up the joint when they actually started throwing the ball around. He's young, and I do expect him to still have some ups and downs. I just hope the downs don't come when he's lined up across from Moss ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Let's go back and reboot your original post: A few questions that you should answer: 1. Have you ever been in a position of high esteem, wealth, and prestige and have it all taken from you in your prime due to a terrible mistake on your part? 2. Have you ever been to prison? 3. Have you ever been under house arrest? 4. Are you Mike Vick? If you answered no to any of these questions, please do us all a favor and just keep your opinions to yourself. And if you can't see that my disagreement is with the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions here, then I'm not the moron in this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonster Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yeah, I am hoping Cleveland signs him. When he scores the dog pound will maul the sh-- out of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Let's go back and reboot your original post: And if you can't see that my disagreement is with the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions here, then I'm not the moron in this conversation. That post was in response to someone's opinions of whether or not Vick has changed. Since no one here knows Vick, they cannot have a valid opinion on whether or not he feels remorse or has in fact changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 When he scores the dog pound will maul the sh-- out of him! LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, they no longer have Triple-A baseball in Buffalo, so ... Are you serious about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are you serious about this? Well, I thought it was a good joke, anyway. Remember the "Bring Professional Football Back to Buffalo" bumper stickers from the mid-'80s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are you serious about this? NM, I see what you are talking about. Richmond lost it's team this year, because it wouldn't build a new stadium. Made me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 NM, I see what you are talking about. Richmond lost it's team this year, because it wouldn't build a new stadium. Made me wonder. Right -- the Bisons are still there, they just stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, I thought it was a good joke, anyway. Remember the "Bring Professional Football Back to Buffalo" bumper stickers from the mid-'80s? Well, I knew this girl that had a whammie weenie and thought that for goodluck...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, I thought it was a good joke, anyway. Remember the "Bring Professional Football Back to Buffalo" bumper stickers from the mid-'80s? Gotcha. Makes sense when I saw their record. Just a little shell shocked from Richmond losing it's team this year. I interned there actually, so I was sad to see them go. Although, I was never one to care if an AAA team won or lost, your joke makes complete sense. Sorry, I was like.....there's no way Buffalo lost it's team. lol. Of course, Richmond was a pretty strong market for AAA, so I wondered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yeah. Never thought they'd actually pack up and leave, and I still can't get used to hearing "Gwinnett" on the highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 He could have said: Michael, you can't play until at least Week 6. What he said was: If you do everything right, I could reinstate you fully before Week 6. He could have said: I'm suspending you so you can't play in any games in the preseason, and you can't be around the team until I reinstate you. What he said was: You can play in the final two preseason games if someone signs you, and if you do everything right, you can practice with your team with no restrictions until you're reinstated. That's unlike a normal suspension, when players can't practice with their teams in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 He is going to be willing to take back-up money and we have no real good back-up options. Fitzgerald and Hamdan suck and DJ is not going to hang his job on those boys this season. Stock the team with talent and let the coaches sort out where they go has been the theme. GO Bills!! what will tomorrow's vick thread be skooby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 what will tomorrow's six vick threads be skooby? Adjusted for reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yeah. Never thought they'd actually pack up and leave, and I still can't get used to hearing "Gwinnett" on the highlights. Who did Lehigh Valley take over for? Ottawa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 this post is a total brain-dead idiot Wait...he lives with his mom and gloats about his BMW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Who did Lehigh Valley take over for? Ottawa? Yup. This is their ... third year in Allentown, I think? Second in the new park. (Eesh. I should know this stuff without looking it up -- I'm covering a local kid who plays for the R-Phils, and we both thought he was going to be up with the IronPigs this season ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Wait...he lives with his mom and gloats about his BMW? Philster has a BMW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Calling people names makes others look smarter. thats such an obama thing to say. the bills wouldn't do anything to put any added pressure on Trent. he is the apple of Ralph's eye. Keep looking elsewhere. And Fitzgerald isn't as bad as everyone claims he is. Hamdan, though, is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Field the best team you can. And that includes Michael Vick. God, you're an idiot. And I'm not just saying that because you're a narcissistic whore with a desperate need for the attention and positive adult reinforcement you lacked in childhood. I'm saying that because you're a narcissistic whore with a desperate need for the attention and positive adult reinforcement you lacked in childhood, AND have absolutely no friggin' clue. Can you even quantify what Michael Vick brings to a team, or what he did for the Falcons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonz Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 And that includes Michael Vick. God, you're an idiot. And I'm not just saying that because you're a narcissistic whore with a desperate need for the attention and positive adult reinforcement you lacked in childhood. I'm saying that because you're a narcissistic whore with a desperate need for the attention and positive adult reinforcement you lacked in childhood, AND have absolutely no friggin' clue. Can you even quantify what Michael Vick brings to a team, or what he did for the Falcons? :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 That post was in response to someone's opinions of whether or not Vick has changed. Since no one here knows Vick, they cannot have a valid opinion on whether or not he feels remorse or has in fact changed. There might be a few posters claiming to know what Michael Vicks all about, I for one am not one of them. The African American, because of his or her heritage and turbulent history are really the only ones that can fully understand how a black man really feels. It wasn't that long ago the black man was still dealing with slavery,racial problems, being forced to endure hardships that were unspeakable and basically for the lack of a better word, treated like animals. Myself personally, I'm white and because of my heritage I'm ashamed of what we did to the black man and in my heart I'm not going to hold it against him for something I helped make him into in the first place. Pitta, why are you here? Cursing our City and our players doesn't cut it and calling our Mod a moron doesn't cut it. So if you don't respect anything about this board, the City of Buffalo or even the owner of the football team, why are you even here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yeah, well, if you could sell $10 million of jerseys, I'm sure they'd overlook your faults as well. It's the NFL, and the bottom line is paying the bills. That's why really, I think this was a job for the criminal justice system and not Goodell. Unless the five-game suspension is a backdoor to suspending him for the season, since no team wants a potential starting QB to miss Septemeber. The NFL, the only place where a convicted felon can make millions of dollars. I'm sure all the convicted felons in the world wish they could all have good paying jobs, but who wants to hire a convicted felon...the NFL. I lost a lot of respect for Roger Goodell today. I need a job with the NFL, that way if by some chance if I ever get in some sort of trouble and they try to fire me over it, I'll threaten to sue them since they let convicted felons work for them. PHUQ VICK!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 There might be a few posters claiming to know what Michael Vicks all about, I for one am not one of them. The African American, because of his or her heritage and turbulent history are really the only ones that can fully understand how a black man really feels. Pitta's point is, none of us can know what is in another's head. We can't know if he is sorry for what he has done, feels remorse, etc. Neither can another Black man. Someone who shares Vick;s culture, upbringing, life experiences, etc. may have a better chance of empathizing with what he has gone through, or imagining what he might be going through now, but only HE knows what is in his head. I agree with Pitta, that no one here knows if he is reformed, has changed, etc. But I completely disagree we can't have an opinion about it. Since it is, by definition (at least Pitta's) "unknowable", an opinion is ALL we can have. We can form that opinion by observing his behavior and listening to what he says. We can believe him, or disbelieve him. Are those opinions very informed? Probably not, but that doesn't mean they aren't proper opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 To be honest -- he's probably not amused, but I doubt he'd actually take action against Owens for saying that. Maybe a fine, but I doubt it. I can see it now.... Goodell gets a call from Foxboro, TO gets a 1 game suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I hope Trent slaps Florence in the head, then has Langston Walker sit on his face. That was like a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in Trent's abilities, and whether or not you believe in Trent, we do NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT need another QB controversy. Besides, Vick is an average QB at best and an average thug, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 The NFL, the only place where a convicted felon can make millions of dollars. I'm sure all the convicted felons in the world could all have good paying jobs, but who wants to hire a convicted felon...the NFL. Anyone know how many convicted FELONS are in the NFL today? Just curious. Also keep in mind that Vick didn't simply make "a mistake" as has been suggested. He has been found to engage in: Illegal gambing Running a criminal enterprise Tax evasion The torture and murder of an unknown number of animals involved in the dog fighting operation I also suspect he is guilty of the following (either personally, or complicit in): Theft of dogs to use as practice for the dogs in the fighting operation The torture and murder of these stolen dogs Money laundering It probably isn't a crime to use rape stands to force female dogs to bread, for the dog fighting operation, so I won't list that. In other words, Michael Vick is, most likely, one very sick motherfuc#er. But, just a mistake. No biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...-to-chase-vick/ Maybe Ralph can get the players to ante up and pay for Vick to be on roster. He can be their fetch dog. The speculation mutty can be one of Vick's pound mates mascots fleas since he is such a big fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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