DazedandConfused Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Polamalu, I'll give you. But Big Ben is good but he is hardly elite. Harrison had one good season in a system that makes any starting OLB successful. Still, the point is that SB champion only has 1 or maybe 2 elite players. It is a very even league. Iy underscores the point that the key is not simply to assemble a bunch of elite individual players to build a team, but to assemble a balanced group of players of various skills (one effect of the salary cap is that it makes it impossible to simply buy yourself a group of elite players in each unit) who together become a TEAM. I think what folks see as a lack of elite players is actually to some extent a side effect of this team being as measured by age one of the youngest (if not the youngest though we will see with the final roster) team in the league. The big problem I see with this team is not the lack of elite players but the lack of on the field team leadership. When the tough times come as they do for every team during a season, it really is this internal leadership and the reflection of a refuse to lose attitude which makes individual players play better than they can (whether that is the good becoming great or the mediocre becoming adequate) and the TEAM ends up with a W where just a team (even if they are elite talents) gets an L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 but Jauron has to at least be middle of the pack don't you think? Wow. Are you Russ Brandon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Like Bakay always says, "Things are so much simpler when you break them down scientifically." Great work here. GO BILLS!!! Great work? Yeah, this thread is right up there with the offensive lineman stats - greatly...stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Ha ha ha!!! Try Big Ben, Harrison and Polamalu. That's three more than we have. Honestly, I don't think that any of those players are "elite". Sure I'd love to have any of them, but they're elite because the media needs someone to praise and those three are the closest that the Steelers come to having "elite" players (as deemed by the media, i.e. someone who gives good interviews). The Steelers are good because their entire team is good, not one or two players. Real elite players in the NFL are Brady, Moss, Manning, Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumblingsFromRalph Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 wanna talk about starters? check out the article here... www.insidetheralph.com this guy "the doctor" made some seriously relevant points about their young starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Overmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Strategery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Great work? Yeah, this thread is right up there with the offensive lineman stats - greatly...stupid. Repeat after me: S-A-R-C-A-S-M. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I think what folks see as a lack of elite players is actually to some extent a side effect of this team being as measured by age one of the youngest (if not the youngest though we will see with the final roster) team in the league. The big problem I see with this team is not the lack of elite players but the lack of on the field team leadership. When the tough times come as they do for every team during a season, it really is this internal leadership and the reflection of a refuse to lose attitude which makes individual players play better than they can (whether that is the good becoming great or the mediocre becoming adequate) and the TEAM ends up with a W where just a team (even if they are elite talents) gets an L. You've watched Remember the Titans too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Strategery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninFl Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, and Garbage are the options, in that order, from good to bad. OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average. RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great WR. Reed=Mediocre TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Good RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre SS.Whitner=Average Coaching Staff=Mediocre Front Office=Mediocre Elite=0 Great=1 Good=7 Average=8 Mediocre=5 Garbage=3 ?=2. Can't really grade rookies. Out of 26 positions, we only have 1 great player and the rest are either good or worse than good. This team needs to have more elite players if they are gonna contend for the playoffs, let alone a Super Bowl. The younger guys, such as Edwards, Lynch, Evans, McKelvin and even Whitner, can still become great or elite players depending upon coaching, and surrounding talent, because they have the athletic skill set and/or smarts to up their game. I don't put Poz in that group because he just lacks the physical talent, IMO, to become great. What do you think? I think that if our starters were the second string on a team, they would be great backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, and Garbage are the options, in that order, from good to bad. OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average. RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great WR. Reed=Mediocre TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Good RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre SS.Whitner=Average Coaching Staff=Mediocre Front Office=Mediocre Elite=0 Great=1 Good=7 Average=8 Mediocre=5 Garbage=3 ?=2. Can't really grade rookies. Out of 26 positions, we only have 1 great player and the rest are either good or worse than good. This team needs to have more elite players if they are gonna contend for the playoffs, let alone a Super Bowl. The younger guys, such as Edwards, Lynch, Evans, McKelvin and even Whitner, can still become great or elite players depending upon coaching, and surrounding talent, because they have the athletic skill set and/or smarts to up their game. I don't put Poz in that group because he just lacks the physical talent, IMO, to become great. What do you think? Where we differ: Owens was great a few years ago. This year, at his age, he may merely be good. As a slot receiver, Josh Reed is good (not mediocre). As a LT, Walker is more likely to be mediocre than good. Schobel is probably old enough to be considered average, rather than good. Kelsay is probably mediocre, rather than garbage. Florence is closer to mediocre than to average. Whitner is closer to good than to average (though by no means worthy of that 8th overall pick!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 OFFENSE QB.Edwards=mediocre. RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=good WR. Reed=average TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=garbage LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=mediocre RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=mediocre DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=mediocre LE.Kelsay=average OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=good CB.McGee=average CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=garbage SS.Whitner=elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Poster = Garbage You beat me to it. This is quite literally the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 You beat me to it. This is quite literally the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Well than that just proves how friggin retarded you are. There has been a lot worse. Moron. BTW. 300 sucked and so does your handle. Your avatar is gay. You like sweaty ball sacks. You have no life. You're a loser. Have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Elgrooverdiocrege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Mediocre RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Elite WR. Reed=Average TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=? (probably Mediocre) LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=? (probably Mediocre) RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=? (probably Mediocre) DEFENSE RE. Schobel=? after injury (probably Average) DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Mediocre LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Mediocre OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre SS.Whitner=Mediocre Coaching Staff=Mediocre Front Office=Garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Average and mediocre are the same thing, and you have them as 2 different grades.....LOL. Lame post. As for your grades....hangartner is good? LOL.....josh reed is a mediocre 3rd wr??? LOL. Mckelvin and lynch have the same grade? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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