firstngoal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1 Crabtree will never make it to 11. But if he were there, the Bills have to consider him. He is a potential difference maker for years to come. While DE is more of an immediate need, they Bills might have Crabtree rated so much higher on there board that they have to take him. I would not be upset with this pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 they Bills might have Crabtree rated so much higher on there board that they have to take him. Possibly, but I really can't see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Crabtree will never make it to 11. But if he were there, the Bills have to consider him. He is a potential difference maker for years to come. While DE is more of an immediate need, they Bills might have Crabtree rated so much higher on there board that they have to take him. I would not be upset with this pick. I would have to agree with you. If he is there at 11 (stranger things have happened) you can't pass up on a pure talent like that. Especially since TO is not guaranteed in 2010 and the jury is still out on Johnson and Hardy. Plus, if we trade Parrish, there's our new PR. Crabtree is probably a Pro Bowler within 3 years IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1 Why do you think this mock is so bad? Crabtree wouldn't be my pick but if he turns out to be another Larry Fitzgerald,which I think is possible,it would turn out great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 That is a bad mock, as a whole. Kudos to him for making things interesting and going against what other mocks have, but this mock almost seems to defy all logic. However, I could see the Bills taking Crabtree and wouldn't have any problem with it at all. WRs take time to develop and TO is only on board for a year, so it makes sense. It's also a case of best-player-available. Crabtree being there at pick 11 constitutes a fall and we'd be silly not to jump all over that. Forty time, or not, he's a machine and he'd look great in Bills uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Crabtree is overrated. I hope he isn't even close to our radar of consideration. He played under Mike Leaches Pass happy system and his over inflated stats made him look better than what he really is. Pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Crabtree is overrated. I hope he isn't even close to our radar of consideration. He played under Mike Leaches Pass happy system and his over inflated stats made him look better than what he really is. Pass Am i supposed to believe there isn't another Crabtree next year. or the year after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Oh my God. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Two words: Detroit Lions. Want to know one reason they suck?? They stunted their growth by taking WR's four years in a row when they had open wounds at other positions like offensive and defensive line. Everyone said Charles Rogers and Mike Williams were going to be all stars too. Meanwhile the Lions picked WR's and ignored other needs. Eventually they got to a point where they went 0-16. We have seven WR's on the roster, six of them in their 20's. We do *not* need another one...but there are a lot of positions we do need to fill. PASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 If the Bills take a WR, CB, or RB in the 1st round, all hope is lost. Even if the Bills think Crabtree is a top 5 talent, I'd hope they trade down in that scenario. I'd much rather see the Bills take one of the QB's than Crabtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Crabtree will never make it to 11. But if he were there, the Bills have to consider him. He is a potential difference maker for years to come. While DE is more of an immediate need, they Bills might have Crabtree rated so much higher on there board that they have to take him. I would not be upset with this pick. They've gotta replace Roscoe somehow. Seriously, though, drafting for need is a chump's game on balance unless it's a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Crabtree is overrated. I hope he isn't even close to our radar of consideration. He played under Mike Leaches Pass happy system and his over inflated stats made him look better than what he really is. Pass Not a big fan either. First of all he's only 6'1" and not the 6'3" he was advertised as before the combine. Also it's been said he's immature and thinks he's already arrived and there is a chance he will coast after getting a big payday. He has a history of foot problems, most recently had surgery on a stress fracture on his foot March 4th. It's a 10 week recovery. Let him go somewhere else. Oh my God. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Two words: Detroit Lions. Want to know one reason they suck?? They stunted their growth by taking WR's four years in a row when they had open wounds at other positions like offensive and defensive line. Everyone said Charles Rogers and Mike Williams were going to be all stars too. Meanwhile the Lions picked WR's and ignored other needs. Eventually they got to a point where they went 0-16. We have seven WR's on the roster, six of them in their 20's. We do *not* need another one...but there are a lot of positions we do need to fill. PASS. I really hope he does fall to Buffalo because they'd probably have more than a few trade partners looking at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Crabtree is overrated. I hope he isn't even close to our radar of consideration. He played under Mike Leaches Pass happy system and his over inflated stats made him look better than what he really is. Pass Have you watched the kid play? His hands are unbelievable. He catches anything near him. He would have looked great in any system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Am i supposed to believe there isn't another Crabtree next year. or the year after? Good point! You can't say that about every player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 They've gotta replace Roscoe somehow. Seriously, though, drafting for need is a chump's game on balance unless it's a QB. Drafting EXCLUSIVELY on need is a chump's game. Drafting "the best player available" is nearly meaningless without including need as context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Drafting EXCLUSIVELY on need is a chump's game. Drafting "the best player available" is nearly meaningless without including need as context. Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Oh my God. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Two words: Detroit Lions. Want to know one reason they suck?? They stunted their growth by taking WR's four years in a row when they had open wounds at other positions like offensive and defensive line. Everyone said Charles Rogers and Mike Williams were going to be all stars too. Meanwhile the Lions picked WR's and ignored other needs. Eventually they got to a point where they went 0-16. We have seven WR's on the roster, six of them in their 20's. We do *not* need another one...but there are a lot of positions we do need to fill. PASS. True, true. Millen is a moron. But CJ is gonna be a hall of famer. He is crazy good. They've been a total mess for years, but ignoring the lines and QB was their main problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 i think if he is there the bills should look to shop the pick, if there are no takers then pick him. i think he is too good to pass up. TO is a 1 year deal/experiment. he is 99% chance gone next year unless he has an epithany and loves buffalo... james hardy needs to show improvement, he may never develop into what we hope/want him to become. and right there our wr corps is already back to being increadibly average at best. Add crabtree and he would immediatly solidify the position. he is not the bills biggest need by any stretch of the imagination but if he is there i would have a hard time saying no to the idea... unless raji was still floating around i think it's increadibly possible crabtree might still be there. EVERY year there are suprise "drops/reaches" and the draft NEVER goes how all the "mocks" guesstimate it will turn out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 i think if he is there the bills should look to shop the pick, if there are no takers then pick him. i think he is too good to pass up. There are some who think he isn't the best WR in the draft. And for him to fall to #11, it is likely one, or even two WRs have already been picked. Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1 Is it the worst because you don't think we should draft crabtree of he's there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 There are some who think he isn't the best WR in the draft. And for him to fall to #11, it is likely one, or even two WRs have already been picked. Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? This board would crash. Many of us, myself included, would become suicidal, lol. I mean, we need a safety, but DBs can't do jack if you can't apply any pressure up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? i know your trying to bait me into falling for your trap how you can compare taking malcolm jenkins as being equivilant to taking crabtree. but i do not want them to take jenkins if he is there. (which he probably will be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 This board would crash. Many of us, myself included, would become suicidal, lol. I mean, we need a safety, but DBs can't do jack if you can't apply any pressure up front. And, DBs are far more effective, on their own, than are WRs...who are virtually powerless without a decent QB and OL. BTW, a great defensive backfield helps the pass rush quite a bit. Ever hear of a coverage sack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 This mock isn't that terrible. I have seen worse. I'm telling you guys, Crabtree is the younger version of Larry Fitzgerald. He has that kind of skillset. His routes are excellent, his ability after the catch is excellent, and his hands are excellent. This guy will be a Pro Bowl WR in the NFL by year 2 or 3 and everyone will be wondering why didn't the Bills take him if we do pass him over. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 BTW, a great defensive backfield helps the pass rush quite a bit. Ever hear of a coverage sack? that opens up a whole can of worms akin to the "chicken/egg" debate what is more effective a coverage sack, or a stong line that puts pressure on a qb which makes average db's look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 And, DBs are far more effective, on their own, than are WRs...who are virtually powerless without a decent QB and OL. BTW, a great defensive backfield helps the pass rush quite a bit. Ever hear of a coverage sack? Yeah, but IMO those are trumped by the fact that you can't cover all day. Any good QB will find a target if he has all day to throw. A pass rush hurries QBs, prevents them from stepping up in the pocket and forces bad throws, which can turn into turnovers which are the most telling stat in football. There are two sides to the debate, no doubt, but to me the pass rush takes precedent over DBs. JMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 i know your trying to bait me into falling for your trap how you can compare taking malcolm jenkins as being equivilant to taking crabtree. but i do not want them to take jenkins if he is there. (which he probably will be) I'm not convinced Jenkins or Crabtree will be there....but, I think there is as good of an argument for Jenkins as "best available" as there is for Crabtree. Jenkins might make a big impact starting this year. The chances of Crabtree doing that are much slimmer. Still, I'd pass on both, if there was a top player available at DT, DE, LB, OT or TE, this year. Unlike some, I don't bash the Bills for their top picks the past three years, because those picks have been terrific players. The Bills got exactly what they thought they got. But, now the team needs to shore up certain positions...and there are some good players available at those positions. The Bills haven't drafted many offensive, or defensive, lineman on the first day, recently. I wasn't that concerned, because they went out in FA and addressed some of those needs. But, some of those moves (and some of their picks) didn't work out, and those positions still need to be addressed. They didn't do it if FA this offseason (at least not yet). The Bills have had great success with their DB picks the past few years. The need to capitalize on that success, and pick some guys at positions where they lack depth (or even starters)...of course, if they don't like the players in those positions, then they should have done more in FA. I'm assuming they like the TEs and DEs (and maybe OTs and LBs) in the draft, because they passed on them in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Yeah, but IMO those are trumped by the fact that you can't cover all day. Any good QB will find a target if he has all day to throw. A pass rush hurries QBs, prevents them from stepping up in the pocket and forces bad throws, which can turn into turnovers which are the most telling stat in football.There are two sides to the debate, no doubt, but to me the pass rush takes precedent over DBs. JMHO. I don't disagree. I was pointing out that DBs really do make a difference, and they are less dependent on others, than WRs, when it comes to making a difference to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I don't disagree. I was pointing out that DBs really do make a difference, and they are less dependent on others, than WRs, when it comes to making a difference to a team. Absolutely. WRs are rendered useless if you don't have a QB who can get him the ball, a line to give him time or a second WR to take double coverage away. DBs are less dependent on others than WRs, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoring is not hardy Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://www.nfldraftspecialist.com/roundsn....t=65&end=96 This has to be the worst I have seen, check out all the rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://www.nfldraftspecialist.com/roundsn....t=65&end=96 This has to be the worst I have seen, check out all the rounds We get Beanie Wells in the 2nd and James Davis in the 3rd Yeah, that's pretty bad. edit: The guy even still has Greg Hardy / DE / Ole Miss being drafted in the 2nd. He didn't even declare for the draft. Jermaine Gresham in the 2nd too The worst part is that it was updated today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 We get Beanie Wells in the 2nd and James Davis in the 3rd Yeah, that's pretty bad. edit: The guy even still has Greg Hardy / DE / Ole Miss being drafted in the 2nd. He didn't even declare for the draft. Jermaine Gresham in the 2nd too The worst part is that it was updated today. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffery Lester Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1 I have maintained that Buffalo needs to get better on offense, I would be thrilled if Buffalo had the opportunity to pick Michael Crabtree, Jeremey Maclin or Brandon Pettigrew in the first round. I would like Pettigrew later in the round if a trade were possible though. 14th on defense 29th on offense. It is really quite simple on where the real improvement needs to be. TO glad to have him now, but does anyone expect him to be here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 There are some who think he isn't the best WR in the draft. And for him to fall to #11, it is likely one, or even two WRs have already been picked. Would you be OK if the Bills picked Malcolm Jenkins, if they have him rated as the best player available? Dean, I think you are underestimating Crabtree quite a bit. There is not a receiver even close to this kid as terms of talent in this years draft. With that being said, if he falls to the bills they really should give a long look at taking him, or at the least putting the pick up for auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 This mock isn't that terrible. I have seen worse. I'm telling you guys, Crabtree is the younger version of Larry Fitzgerald. He has that kind of skillset. His routes are excellent, his ability after the catch is excellent, and his hands are excellent. This guy will be a Pro Bowl WR in the NFL by year 2 or 3 and everyone will be wondering why didn't the Bills take him if we do pass him over. JMO. No way!! He is no where near close to Fitzgerald. I remember seeing Fitz play in college, and I knew he was destined to be a great widereceiver. What makes Fitz so great is that he will beat out anyone on that deep pass. I've never seen someone time the deepball and position themselves as good as Fitz. Crabtree does'nt possess 1/5 of the ability that Fitz does on the deep ball. Crabtree is 6 ' 1 and probably doesn't even run a 4.5 40. Not that speed is everything, because it obviously isn't, but you guyz have to remember, that he comes from a football program that has an offensive genius running the show, and that his stats have propped him to a level beyond what many draft experts say he should be. I'm not saying that he is going to be a bad WR or average, what I'm saying is that, there is no way in hell we should even consider him as our WR. We have two WR's that we drafted last year, and you have to give them at least another year to judge them more fairly, we have T.O for this year, and this team has needs that are much more pressing than WR. If he was a can't miss prospect, then I'd say he should be considered, but he is far from can't miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Drafting EXCLUSIVELY on need is a chump's game. Drafting "the best player available" is nearly meaningless without including need as context. Uh, what? Drafting "best player available" is the chump's game, especially without the need context. That's how the Bills have been drafting lately. Context-less BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Uh, what? Drafting "best player available" is the chump's game, especially without the need context. That's how the Bills have been drafting lately. Context-less BPA. I don't think you understood what he was trying to say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 No way!! He is no where near close to Fitzgerald. I remember seeing Fitz play in college, and I knew he was destined to be a great widereceiver. What makes Fitz so great is that he will beat out anyone on that deep pass. I've never seen someone time the deepball and position themselves as good as Fitz. Crabtree does'nt possess 1/5 of the ability that Fitz does on the deep ball. Crabtree is 6 ' 1 and probably doesn't even run a 4.5 40. Not that speed is everything, because it obviously isn't, but you guyz have to remember, that he comes from a football program that has an offensive genius running the show, and that his stats have propped him to a level beyond what many draft experts say he should be. I'm not saying that he is going to be a bad WR or average, what I'm saying is that, there is no way in hell we should even consider him as our WR. We have two WR's that we drafted last year, and you have to give them at least another year to judge them more fairly, we have T.O for this year, and this team has needs that are much more pressing than WR. If he was a can't miss prospect, then I'd say he should be considered, but he is far from can't miss. You must not have watched Crabtree my friend. They DO have a similar skillset. The only thing that Crabtree can't do like Fitz is leap quite as high. Fitzgerald also didn't run a sub 4.5 forty time either friend. http://www.e-sports.com/articles/1537/1/Mi...sire/Page1.html just for you You can keep on hating on Crabtree if you want, but the guy IS going to get it done on the pro level with or without the "Magox Seal of Approval". Watch the video and take it all in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJZsjImymc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Uh, what? Drafting "best player available" is the chump's game, especially without the need context. That's how the Bills have been drafting lately. Context-less BPA. No, I don't think they have been. I think there are many here who refuse to acknowledge the context, but the Bills have used a combination of need and BPA that almost all teams use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 No, I don't think they have been. I think there are many here who refuse to acknowledge the context, but the Bills have used a combination of need and BPA that almost all teams use. Your Av makes me dizzy Aside from that I agree with your point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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