Jim in Anchorage Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hiring body guards is a much smarter decision, JMO. Worked like a charm for pac man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Buffalo, the home of "the greatest fans" in the NFL, sure turn on their own fast. Serious question....I go back and forth over this particular issue. Do you think that the players ow the fans anything? Really, I am not joking around with this or trying to ask a loaded question. Imo it is something to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The poor NFL players need to carry unlicensed guns to protect themselves? I don't feel sorry for any of the dumb asses that feel they are above the law and don't need to get a permit. I hope they throw the book at Marshawn and make an example of him. This all hinders on if he is really truly guilty of what he's being charged with. Lynch will probably pay a lawyer very good money and make a anonymous donation to a political party of some sort and get his charges reduced. That's justice! He's a rich, young, famous, probably fearful NFL player who comes from a very bad neighborhood who's no doubt had little guidance from the NFL on how to handle his own security. Doesn't make it right, but it also doesn't make him someone you "throw the book at" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Big deal, they are targeted for making a lot of money so let them shell some out for protection. There are expenses associated with any job. Seems like the NFL should counsel these guys more about when they leave where they came from and the risks associated with where they are now. Right now, it seems like the NFL doesn't step in until it's too late or just to hand punishment. I know the NFL does one rookie symposium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I agree with most of what you said. There's obviously a disconnect with the amount of violence NFL players have been met with in recent years, the players need to feel protected, the laws of the land and the NFL's back turning on the issue. The NFL needs to do something more than saying "Hey, you're on your own fellas". They know the areas many are from and now with this huge economic downturn it's only a matter of time before another player is shot and maybe killed while being robbed. If I were Goodall I'd have a forum to generate ideas about how to address the issue of player's fear of being targets of people with very bad intentions. Every year the NFL holds a rookie symposium where veteran players talk about the bad stuff they will encounter, like friends who are friends as long as the player is shelling out the bar tabs, unscrupulous money managers and how to avoid dangerous situations. Some rookies listen and some don't. Worked like a charm for pac man.. Pac Man was assigned body guards and didn't hire them himself, big difference. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't think they planted the gun I just think they stopped him for DWB. A friend of mine in Rochester Drove a Grand Am and a cop stopped him saying he was thinking about buying one and asked him to open the trunk. The whole elation of the black community, according to friends of mine, is because after years of blacks being railroaded by the police for violence against whites finally somebody got away with one going the other way. An original idea might suit you once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Serious question....I go back and forth over this particular issue. Do you think that the players ow the fans anything? Really, I am not joking around with this or trying to ask a loaded question. Imo it is something to consider. Nah those days of sports are long gone. The only thing i expect of today's athlete is that they give 100% on the field. Check your PM for a longer answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Nah those days of sports are long gone. The only thing i expect of today's athlete is that they give 100% on the field. Check your PM for a longer answer. I agree to a point. They owe something to the people that are paying them much more than any debt to fans. The thing is, the team management DOES owe us something. That is why they send guys out for public service, etc. I am not as concerned so much as to whether or not Lynch is guilty in a legal sense. What bugs me is that he is in essence thumbing his nose at Mr. Wilson and team management. We rely on these people to put a good product o the field. They are all we have as Bills Fans. Marshawn can now be classified as a person who pretty much does as he chooses off of the field, unless one is starry eyed and wants to believe that this was the first time he was ever riding around with illegal guns. This is not good. It sets a bad example for other young players on a team with a headcoach who is already weak. Overall, Lynch might not be the worst guy, but in this sense he doesn't give a f k in terms of how he behaves off the field. I guess what I am saying is that while Lynch owes me little or nothing, the feeling is mutual. And, I am already fed up wit his antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Every year the NFL holds a rookie symposium where veteran players talk about the bad stuff they will encounter, like friends who are friends as long as the player is shelling out the bar tabs, unscrupulous money managers and how to avoid dangerous situations. Some rookies listen and some don't. Oh you mean that symposium where they playact in a four star resort in front of a bunch of clueless 22 year olds???? There happens to be a REAL world out there where REAL fear of the outside world trumps bad acting... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3129406 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2716385 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag...rs-richard.html http://philadelphia.about.com/b/2005/07/29...dougle-shot.htm http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3739206 http://www.emqb.com/rashard-mendenhall-robbed-at-gunpoint/ http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=...&id=5632067 The NFL needs to do more than a stupid and fake puppet show given to the rookies. The whole league obviously needs an intense training program regarding security issues and the proper means and methods of providing oneself with security. If you can't tell they're serious targets by reading the above stories then there's nothing more to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 An original idea might suit you once in a while. If you'd look in the thread I'm the one who first brought up the DWB thing. In the future I'll try to post as brilliantly as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Oh you mean that symposium where they playact in a four star resort in front of a bunch of clueless 22 year olds???? There happens to be a REAL world out there where REAL fear of the outside world trumps bad acting... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3129406 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2716385 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag...rs-richard.html http://philadelphia.about.com/b/2005/07/29...dougle-shot.htm http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3739206 http://www.emqb.com/rashard-mendenhall-robbed-at-gunpoint/ http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=...&id=5632067 The NFL needs to do more than a stupid and fake puppet show given to the rookies. The whole league obviously needs an intense training program regarding security issues and the proper means and methods of providing oneself with security. If you can't tell they're serious targets by reading the above stories then there's nothing more to discuss. Yes what I said applies to every situation with players. I never said it applied to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 If you'd look in the thread I'm the one who first brought up the DWB thing. In the future I'll try to post as brilliantly as you do. You are all over the place and hard to follow, at least for me. Are you stating that you think Lynch is a victim here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullpen Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I'm assuming at some point this week, LZ Granderson and Jamele "One-trick-pony" Hill will expose this racially motivated arrest for exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 You are all over the place and hard to follow, at least for me. Are you stating that you think Lynch is a victim here? Yeah, he was riding with a guy in a Mercedes who was cited for "DWB" (Drving While Black). Cops hate it when younger people drive cars they can't afford. I used to catch crap all of the time around here in VA when I was younger driving around in my Lincoln LS. I once got pulled and given a ticket for breaking the local "Noise Ordinance" and I only had a factory stereo system. Cops can be real pricks sometimes, especially when they're jealous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 He's a rich, young, famous, probably fearful NFL player who comes from a very bad neighborhood who's no doubt had little guidance from the NFL on how to handle his own security. Doesn't make it right, but it also doesn't make him someone you "throw the book at" either. He's had guidance. All NFL rookies attend a seminar or two hosted by the NFL on conduct. He has an agent and the Bills I'm sure advise their players. He had to agree to the NFL's conduct policy. He saw what happened to Burris. These guys dream on being pro athletes and getting out of the "hood" but many of them can't shed those habits or their friends from the hood. It's a tough transition I'm sure. After last year's scare, he should know better. If you feel you need a gun, get a permit and follow the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yeah, he was riding with a guy in a Mercedes who was cited for "DWB" (Drving While Black). Cops hate it when younger people drive cars they can't afford. I used to catch crap all of the time around here in VA when I was younger driving around in my Lincoln LS. I once got pulled and given a ticket for breaking the local "Noise Ordinance" and I only had a factory stereo system. Cops can be real pricks sometimes, especially when they're jealous This is very true. Laws give Cops power to get away with a lot. Yeah laws do protect citizens, but only til much later.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yeah, he was riding with a guy in a Mercedes who was cited for "DWB" (Drving While Black). Cops hate it when younger people drive cars they can't afford. I used to catch crap all of the time around here in VA when I was younger driving around in my Lincoln LS. I once got pulled and given a ticket for breaking the local "Noise Ordinance" and I only had a factory stereo system. Cops can be real pricks sometimes, especially when they're jealous Thanks for the info. I guess that explains the gun, as well as the emotional state of every cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 You are all over the place and hard to follow, at least for me. Are you stating that you think Lynch is a victim here? I'm not all over the place. All I've said is if he was targeted for DWB then yes he's a victim but, I don't know what happened yet. If there is no good reason given by the police as to why he was pulled over then I'd call it racial profiling. As I stated above a friend of mine was targeted for DWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thanks for the info. I guess that explains the gun, as well as the emotional state of every cop. Yes the gun was in the car and my statement doesn't explain it, but why were they pulled and searched in the first place. "Culver County dispatch.....We have young black males drivning around our city in a 2006 Mercedes Benz. They may be looking to pull a drive by. I'm going to pull them over." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 ckinwing and I used to have similar avatars and he said he had his first but I know he's full of it. So being the bigger man I changed my avatar to cut down on the confusion some have experienced when he and I post in the same thread. I am now going to change my avatar to match yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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