Alphadawg7 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 David Carr in NY and McCown in TB are already off the market be resigning with their respective clubs, and those were 2 QB's that many believed might wind up here... Honestly, I dont see much hope in the FA market for a QB. If Det takes a QB, maybe they will cut Culpepper and we can look at him. But outside of that, Garcia and Leftwich seem to be the most capable, but after them, no one really gives me much confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotPocket Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I won't lose sleep over missing out on Carr. The Bills need a backup to protect against Edwards' injury risk and risk of not advancing. If Carr became the starter for the Bills due to one of those situations then they'd be looking at a top 5 pick in 2010. McCown I would have liked as a backup, but I didn't see him leaving Tampa where he can compete for the starting job. As for Garcia, he's not going to come to Buffalo where he would be signing as the #2 and have to work his way up. But I definitely want the Bills to talk to Leftwich as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 is this thread from the 4th dimension or something? lol @ carr and mccown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 is this thread from the 4th dimension or something? lol @ carr and mccown. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300yrds Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Honestly, I dont see much hope in the FA market for a QB. If Det takes a QB, maybe they will cut Culpepper and we can look at him. But outside of that, Garcia and Leftwich seem to be the most capable, but after them, no one really gives me much confidence. Culpepper, Leftwhich, and Garcia...all three of them could start over Trent. Dick will bring in somebody who can "push Trent" but wont bring in anybody who is realistically capable of taking his job. we will either see Hamden or a late draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetsap Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team QB Brett Basanez Signed Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears QB Charlie Batch UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent QB Brock Berlin RFA St. Louis Rams Free Agent QB Kyle Boller UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent QB Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent QB Todd Bouman UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent QB David Carr Re-signed New York Giants New York Giants QB Matt Cassel UFA New England Patriots Free Agent QB Kerry Collins UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent QB Ken Dorsey UFA (Cut) Cleveland Browns Free Agent QB Bruce Eugene RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent QB Ryan Fitzpatrick UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent QB Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks Free Agent QB Jeff Garcia UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent QB David Garrard UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent QB Bruce Gradkowski UFA (Cut) Cleveland Browns Free Agent QB David Greene UFA Free Agent Retired QB Rex Grossman UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent QB Joey Harrington UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent QB Drew Henson RFA Detroit Lions Free Agent QB Byron Leftwich UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent QB J.P. Losman UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent QB Jamie Martin UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent QB Luke McCown Re-signed Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB J.T. O'Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent QB Dan Orlovsky UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent QB Kyle Orton Re-signed Chicago Bears Chicago Bears QB Tyler Palko Signed Free Agent Arizona Cardinals QB Patrick Ramsey UFA Denver Broncos Free Agent QB Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent QB Brian St. Pierre UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent QB Marques Tuiasosopo UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent QB Kurt Warner UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent QB Andre' Woodson Re-signed New York Giants New York Giants QB Anthony Wright UFA New York Giants Free Agent Still some good options out there. Brian St. Pierre, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or Chris Simms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 The exception being if the player is kind of "winding down" his career. The guy Minn had, can't recall his name, "Mr Headbutt goalpost" He was old enough that I think a guy tlike that would be more agreeable to come to Buffalo with the understanding he will likely be the backup, barring injury. Maybe Garcia falls into that group too, though he may feel he still has something left as a starter. However he needs a team to agree to that too. The other arguement you could make for a guy to come here to backup Edwards is, he's not an entrenched starter. No matter how bad a Manning or Rivers, etc were to play, they won't get benched. While I like TE and think he can be a good starter, he certainly has shorter leash than some others may have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 is this thread from the 4th dimension or something? lol @ carr and mccown. McCown's been very good when he's had his chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 The exception being if the player is kind of "winding down" his career. The guy Minn had, can't recall his name, "Mr Headbutt goalpost" He was old enough that I think a guy tlike that would be more agreeable to come to Buffalo with the understanding he will likely be the backup, barring injury. Maybe Garcia falls into that group too, though he may feel he still has something left as a starter. However he needs a team to agree to that too. The other arguement you could make for a guy to come here to backup Edwards is, he's not an entrenched starter. No matter how bad a Manning or Rivers, etc were to play, they won't get benched. While I like TE and think he can be a good starter, he certainly has shorter leash than some others may have Yes you're thinking of Gus Frerotte. I think he head butted the padded wall in the end zone. Yeah he probably would come in to compete. The other thing about getting a QB to agree to come here and compete is money. If you tell a guy he has the opportunity to compete for the starting job, you have to give him a contract which proves that. If he gets a small contract then that's telling him that he's less likely to start than if he gets a bigger contract. At very least he'd have to be given incentives which would increase his compensation if he was starting. All things being equal a guy is going to be more likely to play the more money he makes. Teams don't like to spend a lot of money on someone who'll be sitting on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 McCown's been very good when he's had his chances. I don't agree at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Playing for jauron would be ahit to their ego. Whoever comes to Buffalo is doing so just for the paycheck. thank god that successful people in this world don't think the way you do. the reason other than a paycheck would be about their personal pride and their motivation to succeed at what they do. To prove to people and themselves that they can achieve and lead and be winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I don't agree at all. Yeah, I guess he hasn't been great. 75.6 rating...9 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Not horrible numbers for a career backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Kitna would be the best of the available. He can throw and he takes a beating. Tough mo fo who might bring some toughness to a team without a single tough guy on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Kitna would be the best of the available. He can throw and he takes a beating. Tough mo fo who might bring some toughness to a team without a single tough guy on it. I think your right. Kitna makes a lot a sense to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Whoever they bring in should be brought in under this general understanding and this plan: "We would like you to come in and compete for the starting job. We feel the team can win with you under center. We like our young quarterback Trent Edwards but we feel that if you sign with us that the competition will make both of you better players and there's also a chance that Trent is still a year or two away from being the player that we think he'll eventually be. You'll be given a fair shot at beating him in an open competition and may the best man win." I think that's how you'd have to approach it. Agreed that that is how it should be approached but I don't believe they (Jauron et al) will be bringing in a QB to compete with Edwards. I believe they have handed the job to Edwards, for better or worse, and are looking for a short-money backup to go in when he gets injured. I do not for one second believe they will be opening up any competition in camp, and won't be advertising the job as one that is open for competition. Prepared to be underwhelmed by whatever journeyman clipboard holder they bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Kitna would be the best of the available. He can throw and he takes a beating. Tough mo fo who might bring some toughness to a team without a single tough guy on it. Also he would bring Jesus with him. The Jesus factor can never be misunderestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team QB Brett Basanez Signed Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears QB Charlie Batch UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent QB Brock Berlin RFA St. Louis Rams Free Agent QB Kyle Boller UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent QB Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys Free Agent QB Todd Bouman UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent QB David Carr Re-signed New York Giants New York Giants QB Matt Cassel UFA New England Patriots Free Agent QB Kerry Collins UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent QB Ken Dorsey UFA (Cut) Cleveland Browns Free Agent QB Bruce Eugene RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent QB Ryan Fitzpatrick UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent QB Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks Free Agent QB Jeff Garcia UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers Free Agent QB David Garrard UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent QB Bruce Gradkowski UFA (Cut) Cleveland Browns Free Agent QB David Greene UFA Free Agent Retired QB Rex Grossman UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent QB Joey Harrington UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent QB Drew Henson RFA Detroit Lions Free Agent QB Byron Leftwich UFA Pittsburgh Steelers Free Agent QB J.P. Losman UFA Buffalo Bills Free Agent QB Jamie Martin UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent QB Luke McCown Re-signed Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB J.T. O'Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers Free Agent QB Dan Orlovsky UFA Detroit Lions Free Agent QB Kyle Orton Re-signed Chicago Bears Chicago Bears QB Tyler Palko Signed Free Agent Arizona Cardinals QB Patrick Ramsey UFA Denver Broncos Free Agent QB Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent QB Brian St. Pierre UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent QB Marques Tuiasosopo UFA Oakland Raiders Free Agent QB Kurt Warner UFA Arizona Cardinals Free Agent QB Andre' Woodson Re-signed New York Giants New York Giants QB Anthony Wright UFA New York Giants Free Agent I can't believe Todd Bouman is still kicking around. I sent an e-mail to Donahoe a few years ago begging him to sign Bouman, who I always thought showed flashes of brilliance when given the chance. (No response). Now the guy must be 40 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Agreed that that is how it should be approached but I don't believe they (Jauron et al) will be bringing in a QB to compete with Edwards. I believe they have handed the job to Edwards, for better or worse, and are looking for a short-money backup to go in when he gets injured. I do not for one second believe they will be opening up any competition in camp, and won't be advertising the job as one that is open for competition. Prepared to be underwhelmed by whatever journeyman clipboard holder they bring in. I believe you are correct. I don't think it's negativity. I agree with you that it would be surprising for them to bring in someone to compete for the job. I'm on record that I'm a Trent fan but if I were running the team, I'd bring in a guy to compete with him, not just be a backup. Nonetheless I fear you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team QB David Garrard UFA Jacksonville Jaguars Free Agent Still some good options out there. Brian St. Pierre, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or Chris Simms. I'd love to see the Bills make a play for Garrard although I don't think he would come in as a #2. Good arm, reminds me of Roethlesberger in that he's hard to bring down, can run pretty well with the ball, impeccable character. Hasn't had much to work with in Jax this year. If Garrard did come to Buffalo as a #2 (let's say just for S & G's), and Edwards was out for 2-3 games with an injury, I'm not so sure Trent would automatically get his job back. But.....I think I'm just bored and suffering through NFL withdrawal and starting to hallucinate and it's only February and oh Lawdy Momma....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 David Carr in NY and McCown in TB are already off the market be resigning with their respective clubs, and those were 2 QB's that many believed might wind up here... Honestly, I dont see much hope in the FA market for a QB. If Det takes a QB, maybe they will cut Culpepper and we can look at him. But outside of that, Garcia and Leftwich seem to be the most capable, but after them, no one really gives me much confidence. david carr are you freaking serious,LOL. by the way kirwin and ryan were just talking about the free agent QB's and kirwin mentioned JP. ryan answered that from watching that cat i dont even think he can be a back up and kirwin said correct again. just like i have been saying i think we have seen the last of JP in the NFL. IMO and in theirs his only chance is as a vet minimum third string clip board holder. yesterday mike lombardi wrote about his top 10 free agent QB's and he did not include JP in that list either. JP's agent has his work cut out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'd love to see the Bills make a play for Garrard although I don't think he would come in as a #2. Good arm, reminds me of Roethlesberger in that he's hard to bring down, can run pretty well with the ball, impeccable character. Hasn't had much to work with in Jax this year. If Garrard did come to Buffalo as a #2 (let's say just for S & G's), and Edwards was out for 2-3 games with an injury, I'm not so sure Trent would automatically get his job back. But.....I think I'm just bored and suffering through NFL withdrawal and starting to hallucinate and it's only February and oh Lawdy Momma....... Hey Doc, I'm guessing you mean Leftwich? Because I believe that Garrard is the entrenched starter for Jacksonville and I've seen no news that they're trying to move him or that he wants to leave. In April of last year Garrard signed a 6 year, $60 million contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I told someone who I work with only somewhat jokingly that the Bills will come out with some kind of statement like "we really like who we have at quarterback" (meaning Edwards/Hamdan). I can never tell with the Bills but I don't think that they think QB is an urgent need. Boller, Frye, or Simms would be my realistic choices in free-agency, or spend a late pick (round five or six maybe) on someone they could develop for a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickie do-right Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i like this qb Ryan Fitzpatrick UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hey Doc, I'm guessing you mean Leftwich? Because I believe that Garrard is the entrenched starter for Jacksonville and I've seen no news that they're trying to move him or that he wants to leave. In April of last year Garrard signed a 6 year, $60 million contract. Rightly or wrongly, I meant Garrard, On one of the posts in this thread, Garrard was listed as FA. He ain't leavin' Jax unless they pull a fast one and bring in someone to replace him. Don't care for Leftwich, though. He couldn't hold onto the starting job in Jax (Garrard) or Hot'lanta (Joey Effing Harrington ferchrissakes). I'm just going through withdrawal, so don't pay me no nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 thank god that successful people in this world don't think the way you do. the reason other than a paycheck would be about their personal pride and their motivation to succeed at what they do. To prove to people and themselves that they can achieve and lead and be winners. Those reasons are a given. My point is that a free agent QB won't likely come to Buffalo because of the great coaching, the great offensive scheme or for the chance to play on a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyDingo Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 We're gonna need somebody who will be good for 5 or 6 games and doesn't mind fumbling with a minute left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 FYI, Gradkowski claimed by the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 i like this qb Ryan Fitzpatrick UFA Cincinnati Bengals Free Agent I could see that. Looking at the Bengals they might need him back. Palmer is coming off a big injury and Palmer's brother is the only other backup listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 david carr are you freaking serious,LOL. by the way kirwin and ryan were just talking about the free agent QB's and kirwin mentioned JP. ryan answered that from watching that cat i dont even think he can be a back up and kirwin said correct again. just like i have been saying i think we have seen the last of JP in the NFL. IMO and in theirs his only chance is as a vet minimum third string clip board holder. yesterday mike lombardi wrote about his top 10 free agent QB's and he did not include JP in that list either. JP's agent has his work cut out for him. When did I ever say "bring him in"? All I said was that 2 of the QB's that a lot of people on this board thought we might bring in were already off the market...I never said he was on my wish list... Personally, all the obtainable QB's look pretty sad...Garcia and Leftwhich are 2 of the better choices, and they still are terrible choices. The only decent option I can see is Detroit cutting Culpepper. We had interest in Culpepper before, so I think if they cut him then he could be worth looking at. Same with Jon Kitna. All in all, it looks pretty bleak out there barring any major surprises. So Trent, you better Cowboy the F*ck Up and step your game up for once or this team is sunk in 09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 Why are people talking about David Garrard? He is not a free agent, the list someone keeps posting is wrong. He signed something like a 6 year $60 million deal last offseason to stay in Jax. So enough of Garrard, he is NOT available in Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Everyone seems to be overlooking Charlie Batch. Yes, he's getting up there, but is still capable of comming in when Trent is down and managing the field. The biggest upside is that he will be a vet presence who could absolutely do wonders for Trent's mental game. He is roll player who will come in knowing he's the # 2 guy and his foremost responsibility is to take care of Trent's psyche for a couple 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Everyone seems to be overlooking Charlie Batch. Yes, he's getting up there, but is still capable of comming in when Trent is down and managing the field. The biggest upside is that he will be a vet presence who could absolutely do wonders for Trent's mental game. He is roll player who will come in knowing he's the # 2 guy and his foremost responsibility is to take care of Trent's psyche for a couple 2-3 years. I think we oughta keep an eye on this situation....are both Batch and Leftwich UFAs? If so, I would imagine Pittsburgh would want one of them back. Whoever they do re-sign, the Bills should go after the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonster Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 thank god that successful people in this world don't think the way you do. the reason other than a paycheck would be about their personal pride and their motivation to succeed at what they do. To prove to people and themselves that they can achieve and lead and be winners. Very Mom and Applepiesh, but dead on too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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