Buftex Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I am not advocating Joe D as head coach or anything...but just listen to his latest radio vault segment on GR55. The guy, 25 years after his last downs of football were played, has exactly the attitude that I think a Bills coach needs to have right now...he may be one of thos old timers who always complains about the modern athletes who don't produce a third of what he did, but make 100's times more...but he had a very good point...he said, and I am paraphrasing: "These guys today, are great athletes, but they don't care that much about winning. I saw a few of them out at the casino, the day after the Browns loss, one of the worst teams in the leaue, laughing it up, and having a good time...it made me sick. When I played here, I was embarassed to be seen in public after we lost...and I was on some bad teams. These guys don't care as much about winning as the fans do, and that is what is wrong with this game now...these guys make too much damn money to sell themselves out on the field. Hockey and football are unlike other sports, they are tough, and you have to be tough to play them. A kid playing this game today might take a punch or two in the mouth, before they figure, I have 2 or 3 million in the bank..I don't need to take this...it makes them back off, play soft. They aren't playing to get paid, they get paid, then you hope they play...its' not all the guys, but it is just a problem, in general with the whole leauge right now. Despite all the hype, and all the great athletes in this leauge right now, we aren't seeing the best football now..." Listening to Joe D, as much a blowhard as he can be, you really can hear the passion for victory in his voice...you just get the feeling, this guy would not settle for what we have been seeing... Have one on me Joe D! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles 400 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I am not advocating Joe D as head coach or anything...but just listen to his latest radio vault segment on GR55. The guy, 25 years after his last downs of football were played, has exactly the attitude that I think a Bills coach needs to have right now...he may be one of thos old timers who always complains about the modern athletes who don't produce a third of what he did, but make 100's times more...but he had a very good point...he said, and I am paraphrasing: "These guys today, are great athletes, but they don't care that much about winning. I saw a few of them out at the casino, the day after the Browns loss, one of the worst teams in the leaue, laughing it up, and having a good time...it made me sick. When I played here, I was embarassed to be seen in public after we lost...and I was on some bad teams. These guys don't care as much about winning as the fans do, and that is what is wrong with this game now...these guys make too much damn money to sell themselves out on the field. Hockey and football are unlike other sports, they are tough, and you have to be tough to play them. A kid playing this game today might take a punch or two in the mouth, before they figure, I have 2 or 3 million in the bank..I don't need to take this...it makes them back off, play soft. They aren't playing to get paid, they get paid, then you hope they play...its' not all the guys, but it is just a problem, in general with the whole leauge right now. Despite all the hype, and all the great athletes in this leauge right now, we aren't seeing the best football now..." Listening to Joe D, as much a blowhard as he can be, you really can hear the passion for victory in his voice...you just get the feeling, this guy would not settle for what we have been seeing... Have one on me Joe D! I think Joe D's last coaching job was as a tight ends coach at Duke, where he experienced ALOT of losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I am not advocating Joe D as head coach or anything...but just listen to his latest radio vault segment on GR55. The guy, 25 years after his last downs of football were played, has exactly the attitude that I think a Bills coach needs to have right now...he may be one of thos old timers who always complains about the modern athletes who don't produce a third of what he did, but make 100's times more...but he had a very good point...he said, and I am paraphrasing: "These guys today, are great athletes, but they don't care that much about winning. I saw a few of them out at the casino, the day after the Browns loss, one of the worst teams in the leaue, laughing it up, and having a good time...it made me sick. When I played here, I was embarassed to be seen in public after we lost...and I was on some bad teams. These guys don't care as much about winning as the fans do, and that is what is wrong with this game now...these guys make too much damn money to sell themselves out on the field. Hockey and football are unlike other sports, they are tough, and you have to be tough to play them. A kid playing this game today might take a punch or two in the mouth, before they figure, I have 2 or 3 million in the bank..I don't need to take this...it makes them back off, play soft. They aren't playing to get paid, they get paid, then you hope they play...its' not all the guys, but it is just a problem, in general with the whole leauge right now. Despite all the hype, and all the great athletes in this leauge right now, we aren't seeing the best football now..." Listening to Joe D, as much a blowhard as he can be, you really can hear the passion for victory in his voice...you just get the feeling, this guy would not settle for what we have been seeing... Have one on me Joe D! I agree with what he said. Great quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 The guy is still in great shape, would probably handle any lineman on the team too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles 400 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 The guy is still in great shape, would probably handle any lineman on the team too. I shook hands with Joe back when he was coaching at Duke in the 1999 season. He is not as tall as claimed. He looked about 6'1". At the time he looked about 230 lbs and trim. I think he spends alot more time on the treadmill than he does the weights. He would get destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I like Joe's fire when he talks on the radio. I wish he had a mroe regular during the season. I want to know who was at the Casino--The fans take losses harder than some of the players. As far as him coaching--I think it would be fun to have a guy like this on our staff. We have to adsmit though the line has played better the past couple of games. But that might be due to the opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I call bull. I remember distinctly one Sunday night in 1982 going to No Names after an ugly loss to Miami and seeing Sherman White among others hanging out and laughing it up. Joe D wasn't there, but many Bills were. Never mind that those chuck Knox teams were better than Joe D's teams in the late '70s. Memory certainly has a way of playing tricks on you after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I call bull. I remember distinctly one Sunday night in 1982 going to No Names after an ugly loss to Miami and seeing Sherman White among others hanging out and laughing it up. Joe D wasn't there, but many Bills were. Never mind that those chuck Knox teams were better than Joe D's teams in the late '70s. Memory certainly has a way of playing tricks on you after a while. My cousin married Sherman W's brother Barry (no, not that Barry White). A decent guy, or so I'm told. Re: Joe D, he's the epitome of the good ol' days mentality. Legend has it he walked uphill both to and from school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Re: Joe D, he's the epitome of the good ol' days mentality. Legend has it he walked uphill both to and from school. If he did it without shoes on, then he can live up to Cincy status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 He's right. But nothing will change/can be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 He's right. But nothing will change/can be done about it. Not true. That's where coaching comes in. Coaching is more than X's and O's. It's motivating your players to perform. I think UB is a great example of how much difference a coach can make. Turner Gill took a team of guys who were the worst team in D1 football and got them to a bowl and a title game. Now you can argue that college and the pros are completely different, but great coaches know how to get players to perform. If it's true that Bills players don't care about winning, then we have the wrong coaches on this team. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasCal1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 joe d for mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Not true. That's where coaching comes in. Coaching is more than X's and O's. It's motivating your players to perform. I think UB is a great example of how much difference a coach can make. Turner Gill took a team of guys who were the worst team in D1 football and got them to a bowl and a title game. Now you can argue that college and the pros are completely different, but great coaches know how to get players to perform. If it's true that Bills players don't care about winning, then we have the wrong coaches on this team. PTR I don't believe it's as simple as saying Bills players don't care about winning. I just think mediocrity has seeped into this organization at all levels. Great organizations take pride in every detail with winning a Super Bowl always being the end goal. Meanwhile, Ralph is busy giving up a home game to make an extra $4-5m per year. Then it just feeds on itself having to over-pay free agents to come here with a sort of self-selection of players who had to be over-paid to come here. It desperately calls for a Coughlin-like coach to start kicking some a$$ and chase the losers out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I shook hands with Joe back when he was coaching at Duke in the 1999 season. He is not as tall as claimed. He looked about 6'1". At the time he looked about 230 lbs and trim. I think he spends alot more time on the treadmill than he does the weights. He would get destroyed Its the fight in the dog! not how big and fat you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Joe D. is a bitter former player. I can't believe that WGR has let him just run his mouth the last couple of years about how badly former players are treated. That sucks to be you Joe, but this isn't open mic night at WGR! File this recommendation away with the Jim Kelly/Frank Reich/Steve Tasker for Bills coaches posts from over the last 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Joe D. is a bitter former player. I can't believe that WGR has let him just run his mouth the last couple of years about how badly former players are treated. That sucks to be you Joe, but this isn't open mic night at WGR! File this recommendation away with the Jim Kelly/Frank Reich/Steve Tasker for Bills coaches posts from over the last 5-10 years. Why is he bitter? He wants the old timers to get a better pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I shook hands with Joe back when he was coaching at Duke in the 1999 season. He is not as tall as claimed. He looked about 6'1". At the time he looked about 230 lbs and trim. I think he spends alot more time on the treadmill than he does the weights. He would get destroyed Joe D would still kick any of their arses..not on the field(he is psuhing 60) but off of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 And he is absolutely right about the level of play. These present guys are strong and fast but they are not very good football players. The level of play was much higher in the 70s 80s and 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I shook hands with Joe back when he was coaching at Duke in the 1999 season. He is not as tall as claimed. He looked about 6'1". At the time he looked about 230 lbs and trim. I think he spends alot more time on the treadmill than he does the weights. He would get destroyed He was small even back in the day. But he still destroyed the guys he faced with superb technique and passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I shook hands with Joe back when he was coaching at Duke in the 1999 season. He is not as tall as claimed. He looked about 6'1". At the time he looked about 230 lbs and trim. I think he spends alot more time on the treadmill than he does the weights. He would get destroyed I think handlng was more about getting them to do their jobs than kicking there butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 He seems like a good guy with a good attitude and all but I can't say I've ever been impressed with his insight. "Ya know who I really like is that DE - what's his name, Kelsay? He's a player. Whitner, he's good". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 He seems like a good guy with a good attitude and all but I can't say I've ever been impressed with his insight. "Ya know who I really like is that DE - what's his name, Kelsay? He's a player. Whitner, he's good". Yeah, I wasn't really saying he would make a great head coach, but it seems like this team (or maybe its' coaching staff) just needs some of his attitude. Personally, I like his emotion...it is real, and not fabricated...he was like that in his playing days too. I just don't get the sense that anyone in the current Bills organization really challanges these guys to be better than they are...I can't tell you how much it makes my skin crawl, to hear Jauron say, week after week, "we just need to go back and see what we did wrong, and how we can get better..." or whatever it he keeps spewing...it isn't working coach...you are looking, and the team (players and coaches) keeps making the same mistakes over and over...this past week, Jauron said something to the effect of, when asked about the timeout wasting situation that seems to have plauged this team since Jauron was here "Its' something we want to focus on improving"....what? Than focus on it, and fix it for chissakes... Sorry, I prefer the mild mannered, classy coach, if they are winning...but when they are just standing by, passively, acting like it is all out of their control...it bugs me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Joe D annoys me. He's kind of got the dumb jock about him.....I remember him being asked questions that had nothing to do with his gripe about the players union and him going on and on about it. Schoop tried to pull him back to no avail. I'm glad he's not on in the afternoons anymore...........he's a lot like Deacon Jones - where all you hear is how much better, tougher, etc. they were back in the day...........And, just because you sound off constantly about anything, doesn't mean you are right. Just means you are making a name for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Joe D is definitely bitter about how much players make today. In every interview he brings it up. I do like his attitude though. He would definitely kick some ass if he were on the Bills staff now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I shook hands with Joe back when he was coaching at Duke in the 1999 season. He is not as tall as claimed. He looked about 6'1". At the time he looked about 230 lbs and trim. I think he spends alot more time on the treadmill than he does the weights. He would get destroyed. You're right! Steve Tasker was 5' 9" 180 in his playing days, and he got destroyed too....oh wait.... No, seriously...Joe D played at a different time. Those guys played at like 250 and were considered big. Now you have to be 300 or so. But I agree with the comment above "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog". We need dogs with less bark and more FIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fconmy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Remember Joe D pulling and leading the sweep arround end. Can you see any of these fat slobs doing that.They seem to make the initial block and then just quit on it. That goes back to desire to make the play.Look at the Patriots guards pulling,the Steelers trap blocking . Dallas's power sweep. Then we have these over paid under acheivers that Joe D is refering to. I don't know if he would be a good coach,but maybe he might light a fire under their butts,and bring some accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 He and Reggie were a hell of alot better and tougher than linemen we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Joe D for President of the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I loved Joe D, as a player. Now, he is just a bitter old blowhard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opfball91 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Remember Joe D pulling and leading the sweep arround end.Can you see any of these fat slobs doing that.They seem to make the initial block and then just quit on it. That goes back to desire to make the play.Look at the Patriots guards pulling,the Steelers trap blocking . Dallas's power sweep. Then we have these over paid under acheivers that Joe D is refering to. I don't know if he would be a good coach,but maybe he might light a fire under their butts,and bring some accountability. And that comes a lot with coaching we definitely have the talent and the size at the offensive line but our guys play with no passion. It's no coincidence that the Giant's o-line is one of the most feared with Coughlin at the head as well as the Patriots. Bobby April's playersare infuriated when they make a mistake, I forget the game but it was a couple weeks back, Lindell kicked a ball out of bounds on the kickoff, went to the sidelines and smashed his helmet on the ground. Now some people can argue that they don't like that type of attitude in players but for right now that's exactly what our team needs. Jauron's people screw up, they go sit on the bench under the fan. April's players screw up, and they kneel down alone on the sidelines too pissed off to talk to anyone. I vote Bobby April as interm head coach, I know he doesn't have any experience but he reminds a bit of Coughlin and might actually give this team a head coach that they're a little afraid of making mistakes for and give them some motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Joe D. should be scouting O-lineman. I've heard him make some interesting observations about players in the league, especially younger ones--draft picks, and he's usually right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 You're right! Steve Tasker was 5' 9" 180 in his playing days, and he got destroyed too....oh wait.... No, seriously...Joe D played at a different time. Those guys played at like 250 and were considered big. Now you have to be 300 or so. But I agree with the comment above "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog". We need dogs with less bark and more FIGHT! Yeah --times have changed now we have our monster DEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I don't really care a lot about Joe D. or his opinions but this post did remind me of something. At the end of the San Francisco game they showed a shot of a Bills player and a Niners players standing at midfield talking and laughing. I'm not advocating that the players hate each other but I found it a bit odd that Bills player would be laughing less than a minute after one of the worst performances of the 2008 season. Joe is right on one thing, a lot of players don't care about anything but the paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I loved Joe D, as a player. Now, he is just a bitter old blowhard. Oh come on he is like an old throwback guy....imagine him in a 1943 football movie with a priest and some dames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Oh come on he is like an old throwback guy....imagine him in a 1943 football movie with a priest and some dames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 The guy is old school and tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Does old school work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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