Spanky46 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I know we must take everything that Clayton reports with a grain of salt. I just figured I report what I read.... ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Forgot My Last Username Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I have never heard of this player and therefore feel it is a bad move. Just kidding. Go Marv! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The Bears will have seven days to match, and with $9.6 million of cap room, they are expected to do so. The Bears aren't saying exactly what they are going to do. New Bills coach Dick Jauron has enough knowledge from his days as the Bears' coach to project how Idonije will fit into Buffalo's new defense. So let me get this straight Clayton...The Bears are expected to match the offer, but you arent sure what they are going to do? Does anyone at ESPN proof-read these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The Bears will have seven days to match, and with $9.6 million of cap room, they are expected to do so. The Bears aren't saying exactly what they are going to do. New Bills coach Dick Jauron has enough knowledge from his days as the Bears' coach to project how Idonije will fit into Buffalo's new defense. So let me get this straight Clayton...The Bears are expected to match the offer, but you arent sure what they are going to do? Does anyone at ESPN proof-read these things? 634768[/snapback] Anyone geting the idea that Marv and his staff are working very, very, hard to find value wherever they can.? Signing two RFA's is bold. We may not get either of them but Marv and Co are being creative and unconventional and I like it! I'll bet that this guy and Wells turn out to be solid players and I hope we can pull it off. And to all the nay sayers... we already they two guys are not well known players, Pro Bowlers, or super stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The Bears will have seven days to match, and with $9.6 million of cap room, they are expected to do so. The Bears aren't saying exactly what they are going to do. New Bills coach Dick Jauron has enough knowledge from his days as the Bears' coach to project how Idonije will fit into Buffalo's new defense. So let me get this straight Clayton...The Bears are expected to match the offer, but you arent sure what they are going to do? Does anyone at ESPN proof-read these things? 634768[/snapback] Clayton is mearly reporting that he expects the Bears to match but have yet to go on record to say they are. Idonije's upside is quite high but think the contract we offered was a bit high for a guy who hasn't proven much in the NFL. The only thing I like is if we do land him is they'll be no compensation as think the Bears original tendered him the minimal tender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 This is great, great news! Izzy is a Manitoba Canada boy and plays the game really hard because he feels blessed to be in the NFL. Total class player and a great addition to the city of Buffalo. Trust me, I went to school with him thru University. The man is good for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The Bears will have seven days to match, and with $9.6 million of cap room, they are expected to do so. The Bears aren't saying exactly what they are going to do. New Bills coach Dick Jauron has enough knowledge from his days as the Bears' coach to project how Idonije will fit into Buffalo's new defense. So let me get this straight Clayton...The Bears are expected to match the offer, but you arent sure what they are going to do? Does anyone at ESPN proof-read these things? 634768[/snapback] I think you need to proofread your own post before proposing the ESPN question. The Bears will have seven days to match, and with $9.6 million of cap room, they are expected to do so. ---The are expected t match the offer BECUASE they have the cap room.----However----The Bears aren't saying exactly what they are going to do. No mention in there of what you stated---So let me get this straight Clayton...The Bears are expected to match the offer, but you arent sure what they are going to do? It was very clear to me--Bears expected to match offer because of their cap room, however the Bears are not stating what position they are taking on matching the offer or not. Its just an expectation that they will. Which means we are not throwing crazy money at him and essentially the Bills just did the Bears work for them.---Where is our commision check????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I think you need to proofread your own post before proposing the ESPN question. The Bears will have seven days to match, and with $9.6 million of cap room, they are expected to do so. ---The are expected t match the offer BECUASE they have the cap room.----However----The Bears aren't saying exactly what they are going to do. No mention in there of what you stated---So let me get this straight Clayton...The Bears are expected to match the offer, but you arent sure what they are going to do? It was very clear to me--Bears expected to match offer because of their cap room, however the Bears are not stating what position they are taking on matching the offer or not. Its just an expectation that they will. Which means we are not throwing crazy money at him and essentially the Bills just did the Bears work for them.---Where is our commision check????? 634782[/snapback] That was almost as confusing as the original ESPN article! To me, coming out saying that the Bears are EXPECTED to do something means they've given an indication they are going to go and match the offer. Clearly, Clayton feels strongly enough in his own assertions by claiming the Bears will match...and yet then the very next sentence he states that the Bears arent making it known what they are going to do...so is Clayton just guessing here? I see your point that he could be referring to the Bears not showing their hand, but to me it seems poorly written and confusing. His first sentence makes it sound like he's completely confident, then he immediately seems to give himself an escape route in case the Bears dont match it so he can just say "Oh well, I said they weren't sure! Cant blame me!". Very wishy-washy if you ask me, but thats how The Nerd writes. I know, I know...I'm being a journalist Nazi here, but I'd like to think the national media has some standards for reporting here. By the way, if he is just guessing at this point...how can I get under an ESPN contract and just guesstimate my way to a weekly paycheck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 That was almost as confusing as the original ESPN article! To me, coming out saying that the Bears are EXPECTED to do something means they've given an indication they are going to go and match the offer. Clearly, Clayton feels strongly enough in his own assertions by claiming the Bears will match...and yet then the very next sentence he states that the Bears arent making it known what they are going to do...so is Clayton just guessing here? I see your point that he could be referring to the Bears not showing their hand, but to me it seems poorly written and confusing. His first sentence makes it sound like he's completely confident, then he immediately seems to give himself an escape route in case the Bears dont match it so he can just say "Oh well, I said they weren't sure! Cant blame me!". Very wishy-washy if you ask me, but thats how The Nerd writes. I know, I know...I'm being a journalist Nazi here, but I'd like to think the national media has some standards for reporting here. By the way, if he is just guessing at this point...how can I get under an ESPN contract and just guesstimate my way to a weekly paycheck? 634787[/snapback] That is why Clayton is an analyst and not an anchorman. He is paid to give us his views on what is going on and what will happen, based on his insight and experience. In particular, the value he brings is the ability to read between the lines and tell us about what isn't being said. Otherwise, he would just be reading the teleprompter. (Whether his ability is actually worth anything is a seperate question.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Anyone geting the idea that Marv and his staff are working very, very, hard to find value wherever they can.? Signing two RFA's is bold. We may not get either of them but Marv and Co are being creative and unconventional and I like it! I'll bet that this guy and Wells turn out to be solid players and I hope we can pull it off. And to all the nay sayers... we already they two guys are not well known players, Pro Bowlers, or super stars. 634773[/snapback] This is very sharp indeed. Even in the event that we don't get the players we've forced a couple of teams to use up valuable cap dollars in an effort to retain their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 This is very sharp indeed. Even in the event that we don't get the players we've forced a couple of teams to use up valuable cap dollars in an effort to retain their players. 634909[/snapback] For which Daniel Snyder is not doubt, very grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Interesting take from the Bears message board. Sounds like a gamer, with alot of potential. 6' 7" weighing 305ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Great size on that Kid, i googled him, not over him, he doesn't look that big, but if he is great, the bears make him sound like he is a real sound player, I watched them maybe twice this year, and I recall the name but can't remember if he did anything special. If we get him great, but we shouldn't sit and wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldudeav Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 This is a good attempt by management even if it doesnt go through. He is a solid player and if we get him would be a good addition. Keep on making offers levy, the team has a lot of holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Interesting take from the Bears message board. Sounds like a gamer, with alot of potential. 6' 7" weighing 305ish. 635023[/snapback] Wow sounds like another Jason Peters, except on the defensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Interesting take from the Bears message board. 6' 7" weighing 305ish. 635023[/snapback] Everything I've seen on him lists him at 275 pounds. Has he bulked up to 300+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Is Marv Awake? Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 He played 11 games with 16 tackles ? Wow what a pickup this guy would be. It's so sad how you guys are so willing to hang onto anything no matter how insignificant it is. Here is a novel idea. Lets go after a player who may actualy help the Bills. The Jets seem willing to part with John Abraham? Why not make a play? All this garbage picking the Bills are doing is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 If the Bears do not match the offer will they get a draft pick from us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 If the Bears do not match the offer will they get a draft pick from us? 635261[/snapback] No as the Bears only tendered him the lowest tender and because he wasn't drafted no draft pick (from us) would be given as compensation. It's like when we signed Lindell, he was a RFA at the time but wasn't drafted so again we didn't end up giving the Seahawks anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm wondering here: if the Bears match, we can't counter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I'm wondering here: if the Bears match, we can't counter? 635445[/snapback] One and done. If the Bears match, he is under contract to them and is no longer an RFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 This is very sharp indeed. Even in the event that we don't get the players we've forced a couple of teams to use up valuable cap dollars in an effort to retain their players. 634909[/snapback] And in the process done nothing to improve. Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Bills | Chicago thinking over Idonije offer sheet Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:32:49 -0800 John Mullin and K.C. Johnson, of the Chicago Tribune, report the Chicago Bears will have further internal discussions Monday, March 20, on whether to match the four-year, $8.2 million offer sheet that restricted free agent DL Israel Idonije signed with the Buffalo Bills. The Bears are leaning toward doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPatPatSack Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Bills | Chicago thinking over Idonije offer sheetSun, 19 Mar 2006 21:32:49 -0800 John Mullin and K.C. Johnson, of the Chicago Tribune, report the Chicago Bears will have further internal discussions Monday, March 20, on whether to match the four-year, $8.2 million offer sheet that restricted free agent DL Israel Idonije signed with the Buffalo Bills. The Bears are leaning toward doing so. 635741[/snapback] Somebody help me out here. According to this story http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/200...498418-sun.html Israel gets his $1.8m signing bonus EVEN IF THE BEARS MATCH? Is the author wacked or is that really how it works? And then how does that count against the salary cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Somebody help me out here. According to this story http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/200...498418-sun.html Israel gets his $1.8m signing bonus EVEN IF THE BEARS MATCH? Is the author wacked or is that really how it works? And then how does that count against the salary cap? 637500[/snapback] Ummmm, yeah, that's the point of "matching." If the Bears choose to "match" the offer, that means they have to pay him a $1.8M signing bonus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills7834 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Somebody help me out here. According to this story http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/200...498418-sun.html Israel gets his $1.8m signing bonus EVEN IF THE BEARS MATCH? Is the author wacked or is that really how it works? And then how does that count against the salary cap? 637500[/snapback] He gets the $1.8 million signing bonus wth the Bears if they decide to match the offer. Buffalo doesn't pay it if they match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldudeav Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 patpatpatsack im with you. If we go after rfa we should probably watch how we phrase ''signing bonus'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobinaz Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 i read that the rfa defensive tackle from the bears that the bills are courting will get the signing bonus from buffalo whether he comes here or not. i read it was 1.7 or 1.8 million. are the bills really that confident that the bears won't match their offer, or do they have money to burn? we lost out on wells, what's to say we'll get the guy from chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 It doesn't mean the Bills owe him the money no matter what....it means that he will get that contract, be it from the Bills or the Bears no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 he will not get it from the bills . the bills put that in his offer . bears would have to match it > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobinaz Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 he will not get it from the bills . the bills put that in his offer . bears would have to match it > 637798[/snapback] ok, i understand it better now..thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasker Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 He played 11 games with 16 tackles ? Wow what a pickup this guy would be. It's so sad how you guys are so willing to hang onto anything no matter how insignificant it is. Here is a novel idea. Lets go after a player who may actualy help the Bills. The Jets seem willing to part with John Abraham? Why not make a play? All this garbage picking the Bills are doing is nuts. 635240[/snapback] Abraham? Do you really think that is the best way to spend limited resources? That his value would exceed his cost? If a deal could be worked that would make him a good value, then I'm all for it. As a small market team, but really any team in a salary cap league, our goal is to get value in players, whether a big talent big paycheck or small talent small paycheck. Getting a big name sucks if he costs too much and limits the team in other areas, getting a small talent sucks if he costs more than he is worth too. I am not enough of a football superfan to know if Idonije is worth it or not, but if his value is more than his cost then he makes sense. The "Let's get Petyon Manning and Julius Peppers and Ladaiman Tomlinson and Jonothan Ogden or we are a bunch of losers and Marv should be run out of town" mentality just doesn't work. Let's make deals that improve this team and are good value at every level. Whether some of that is considered "garbage picking" by you doesn't matter. I think a lot of New England's moves in recent years would be considered garbage picking. I'd rather follow that philosophy than the Redskins method you are suggesting. What I really hope is we can get some big talent bigger name values too, but each aquisition needs to make sense as a good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 i read that the rfa defensive tackle from the bears that the bills are courting will get the signing bonus from buffalo whether he comes here or not. i read it was 1.7 or 1.8 million. are the bills really that confident that the bears won't match their offer, or do they have money to burn? we lost out on wells, what's to say we'll get the guy from chicago? 637785[/snapback] Maybe Idonije will end up being a gift because the Bears wouldn't let us have Bob Babich as our D-coordinator when they blocked us from interviewing him by naming him assistant head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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