12/14/2025 GAMEDAY Bills at Patriots* Post Game Game Thread AFCE Battle

[BRH]

 

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I didn't see anything special today. The runs were not special. The throws he made any NFL qb can make. He turtled up and played bad in the second half. Reminds me of a young athletic Kirk Cousins. 

 

The MVP hype is media driven. Something the Boston market has a ton of pull at controlling the narrative.

 

This.  I watched the condensed game on the NFL app *twice* last night because I was enjoying it so much, and with each watch it became more apparent:  Drake Maye is basically JAG who was on a bit of a heater.

 

What were his “great” throws yesterday?  The sideline throw on 3rd down that Boutte had to dive for that shouldn’t even have counted?  The crosser in the second half that Hollins had to risk his life by leaping for?  I saw receivers making plays, not a quarterback throwing darts.  (And then later on I saw receivers making more business decisions.)  Most of his throws were little swing passes to wide-open guys - first reads, even.  When he tried to take the top off the defense, he just wasn’t accurate.  

 

He ran a handful of times but nothing that made you grab your head and go wtf like Mahomes.  It seemed like the Bills were content to let him run a bit while making sure his deep options were covered.  Even in the first half, our D was basically dictating the terms of the game to him.  That’s why they had to run that gadget play.

 

Josh Allen led six fourth-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives in his first two seasons…. you know, the two seasons in which Pats fans would have us believe Josh wasn’t anywhere close to Maye.  Drake Maye so far has zero fourth-quarter comebacks and one game-winning drive in his two years (the one that ended in a long FG against us).  It’s hilarious that he’s even in this conversation.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by BRH

[newcam2012]

18 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

(Paraphrasing for brevity) "He looks to be on his way to being a franchise quarterback... but I agree it's too early to call him a franchise quarterback."

 

Your equivocation is like that of a soothsayer. As the discussion progresses you make microscopic distinctions in the name of what? It's like you're playing a game.

 

Separately your "we must be overly fair to our opponent" schtick is really tiresome. The only strong statements you make are in giving benefit of the doubt to the other team.

 

Tell me about your history as a Bills fan... where you come from and why you root for the team.

 

It's 8:07 ET.

 

You are making it personal. With respect, I'm not going there because that's not what this forum is about. 

 

Go Bills! 

8 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Counterpoint - rewatch the 2nd half of this game.  He looked lost.

True but look at the two halves Allen played. It cuts both ways...

[Sierra Foothills]

25 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

(Paraphrasing for brevity) "He looks to be on his way to being a franchise quarterback... but I agree it's too early to call him a franchise quarterback." Your equivocation is like that of a soothsayer. As the discussion progresses you make microscopic distinctions in the name of what? It's like you're playing a game.

 Separately your "we must be overly fair to our opponent" schtick is really tiresome. The only strong statements you make are in giving benefit of the doubt to the other team. Tell me about your history as a Bills fan... where you come from and why you root for the team. It's 8:07 ET

 

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You are making it personal. With respect, I'm not going there because that's not what this forum is about. 

 

Go Bills!

 

Just as I expected.

 

[BuffaloBaumer]

I really hope one of the reporters asks McDermott why the heck he did not challenge that patriot catch on the first drive.
 

I still find that inexcusable. Is there a rule that says he can’t challenge it because someone already reviewed it?

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

 

This.  I watched the condensed game on the NFL app *twice* last night because I was enjoying it so much, and with each watch it became more apparent:  Drake Maye is basically JAG who was on a bit of a heater.

 

What were his “great” throws yesterday?  The sideline throw on 3rd down that Boutte had to dive for that shouldn’t even have counted?  The crosser in the second half that Hollins had to risk his life by leaping for?  I saw receivers making plays, not a quarterback throwing darts.  (And then later on I saw receivers making more business decisions.)  Most of his throws were little swing passes to wide-open guys - first reads, even.  When he tried to take the top off the defense, he just wasn’t accurate.  

 

He ran a handful of times but nothing that made you grab your head and go wtf like Mahomes.  It seemed like the Bills were content to let him run a bit while making sure his deep options were covered.  Even in the first half, our D was basically dictating the terms of the game to him.  That’s why they had to run that gadget play.

 

Josh Allen led six fourth-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives in his first two seasons.  Drake Maye so far has zero fourth-quarter comebacks and one game-winning drive in his two years (the one that ended in a long FG against us).  It’s hilarious that he’s even in this conversation.

You are comparing a 9 year QB veteran on a scale with a 2nd year QB. How is that even remotely fair?

 

No one knows how Maye's journey in the NFL will proceed. He could be a JAG, good, very good or elite. 

 

All I know is as a Bills fan  I wish the Pats didn't draft Maye. 

 

 

1 minute ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I really hope one of the reporters asks McDermott why the heck he did not challenge that patriot catch on the first drive.
 

I still find that inexcusable. Is there a rule that says he can’t challenge it because someone already reviewed it?

He definitely could have and should have challenged the call. First half time outs are not that valuable And he had very little to lose. He make a mistake. I just wonder if the call would have been reversed. It looked really close to me. Probably could have go either way. I guess we'll never know. 

[BRH]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You are comparing a 9 year QB veteran on a scale with a 2nd year QB. How is that even remotely fair?

 

No one knows how Maye's journey in the NFL will proceed. He could be a JAG, good, very good or elite. 

 

All I know is as a Bills fan  I wish the Pats didn't draft Maye. 

 

 

 

I literally compared their FIRST TWO YEARS in my last paragraph.

[RichRiderBills]

I want to add a couple things about the receivers. I thought palmer was disappointing. So was Keon. 

 

I thought Gabe should have not been a healthy scratch. He is a tougher wide receiver and I've been impressed with his toughness. He adds a lot in the running game to block too. I hope that Brady doesn't understand how to use him. 

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

I literally compared their FIRST TWO YEARS in my last paragraph.

I really don't think that qualifies as an accurate comparison. It's more of a cherry picked stat. You do realize that the Pats have been up in most of their games they've played this season? No offense 

Edited 3 hours ago by newcam2012

[Coach Tuesday]

19 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

 

This.  I watched the condensed game on the NFL app *twice* last night because I was enjoying it so much, and with each watch it became more apparent:  Drake Maye is basically JAG who was on a bit of a heater.

 

What were his “great” throws yesterday?  The sideline throw on 3rd down that Boutte had to dive for that shouldn’t even have counted?  The crosser in the second half that Hollins had to risk his life by leaping for?  I saw receivers making plays, not a quarterback throwing darts.  (And then later on I saw receivers making more business decisions.)  Most of his throws were little swing passes to wide-open guys - first reads, even.  When he tried to take the top off the defense, he just wasn’t accurate.  

 

He ran a handful of times but nothing that made you grab your head and go wtf like Mahomes.  It seemed like the Bills were content to let him run a bit while making sure his deep options were covered.  Even in the first half, our D was basically dictating the terms of the game to him.  That’s why they had to run that gadget play.

 

Josh Allen led six fourth-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives in his first two seasons…. you know, the two seasons in which Pats fans would have us believe Josh wasn’t anywhere close to Maye.  Drake Maye so far has zero fourth-quarter comebacks and one game-winning drive in his two years (the one that ended in a long FG against us).  It’s hilarious that he’s even in this conversation.

 

 

That is an overreaction.  He is good.  Looked to me like he was gripping the ball too tight and his passes were sailing more than usual.  That was his first real high-stakes game as a pro and he was probably amped.  He is not a JAG.

[Cray51]

Maye is good.   He was stumped by a McD defense that had adjusted in the second half.

 

Seems like a gamer, but I worry about his durability.  He doesn't protect himself on slides and runs like Mahomes and Allen do.

 

I think he is a legit starter right now, but not in the top 2 tiers of QBs.  Plenty of time for him to grow and develop into a high end NFL starter.

 

The MVP talk was just overreaction, similar to Jaden Daniels last year.

[JP51]

I think this is overly critical of a guy who had a pretty poor 2nd half when we finally began to pressure him.... 

 

 Bottom line, my opinion is that Drake Maye will need to be contended with for the next 12 or 15 years... he is currently the 2nd best QB in the division and will progress from there... to what I do not know but I dont think he is gonna get worse... a JAG... I am sorry but in my opinion that is whistling by the graveyard while wishful thinking....  time will tell.  I hope you are correct... a 1st or 2nd place schedule next year may help us know for sure... but based on age and ceiling potential... which QB in the AFC are you taking over him.... Allen obviously, Burrow who is always hurt.. probably but... and... Who? Tua, Talyor or Fields, Sanders, Rodgers, Lawrence, Herbert mmmm maybe, Mahomes with an ACL tear... Nix, Rivers?  Maybe Stroud...? Probably not Jackson he seems to be breaking down... Ward, Gino?  

I hope he pulls a Sanchez and falls off the cliff... and is a dolt... but I suspect that isnt going to be steeped in reality... 

[MikePJ76]

Josh Allen's comments after the game seem like, if you want to take it this way, are a direct shot to that old wr who used to play here without actually mentioning him in any way.  

 

“I think it’s the love each man in that locker room has for each other,” Allen said, via a transcript from the Patriots. “The willingness to put their body on the line in order to not let their teammates down. That driving force. It’s the relationships in that room. And whether we are playing really good, whether we’re playing really bad, this team is going to stick together and continue to fight and continue to find ways to win football games. I think we saw that tonight.”

[Saratoga Fan]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I didn't see anything special today. The runs were not special. The throws he made any NFL qb can make. He turtled up and played bad in the second half. Reminds me of a young athletic Kirk Cousins. 

 

The MVP hype is media driven. Something the Boston market has a ton of pull at controlling the narrative.

Did you not see anything special the first game? I sure as hell did. Maye is good, very good. Top 10 qb. MVP not so much. 

 

[muppy]

10 hours ago, Steptide said:

Pats fans on Twitter right now are out of their minds. That fan base has quickly forgotten how every call went their way for 20 years. They litterally think the pass interference on Shakir was a bs call. I'll give them the one they were called for on Coleman, that was a little ticky tack, but the Shakir one was obvious pass interference. The funny thing is, they'll still probably win the division and they're acting like they just lost a playoff game 

on a victory Monday the bolded made me smile. Because it just shows how demoralizing  they felt after the game.

 

what does Josh Allen say "never too high never too low"  As a fans I aspire to that mindset.  And albeit a very important game it wasn't a playoffs game

 

so The fact I feel so good today doesn't diminish what is left to be done this year. Win in the post season.  Having Josh Allen as our QB it's not out of reach

 

GO BILLS 

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

10 hours ago, zow2 said:

The best thing about today, other than the epic comeback of course… was Drake Maye shrinking in the biggest of moments.  Now i fully realize he is still not a finished product. and will be great for years to come. But for a while there it seemed like he was a mistake free android that could do no wrong. and then he wasn’t. 

5-12 47 yards and a INT, 3 sacks in the second half.

[JustHewIt]

Reading a NESN article talking about Hollins and Diggs chirping our bench and taunting us when they were up big. Seems like they were counting their chickens before they hatched.

 

Diggs then went on after the game about how it's a '60 minute game' and their team needs to have the same intensity in the second half as they did in the first.

 

Just another example of Diggs having zero clue how to lead. He leads the charge in celebrating too soon, and then when they lose he acts like the team did something wrong but doesnt take any individual ownership of his role in the team losing focus.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

2 hours ago, stevewin said:

I think it's mostly driven by what has become an almost irrational hatred of McD/Beane by so many on here.  There are people who have literally posted during the season - while we have one of the top teams in the league - that they want the Bills to lose so McD/Beane get fired.  After wins there are people who run to their keyboard to B word about some meaningless TO called in the first half.

 

People can be a fan however they want - but choosing to be constantly miserable even after wins during a period where our team is among the top in the league is not how I choose to do it

 

Well said

[newcam2012]

23 minutes ago, Saratoga Fan said:

Did you not see anything special the first game? I sure as hell did. Maye is good, very good. Top 10 qb. MVP not so much. 

 

A poster has replied to this. They didn't see anything special in the first game. 

[Saratoga Fan]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

A poster has replied to this. They didn't see anything special in the first game. 

My thought is - They are either blind or do not know football. OR maybe being sarcastic. 

[BritBill]

18 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

5-12 47 yards and a INT, 3 sacks in the second half.

 

It was quite the capitulation.