Passing of the QB torch?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

The rarified atmosphere of the Chautauqua highlands (less oxygen) than the Pine Barrens must be affecting the OP's judgment. 🤔

[Simon]

Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

The rarified atmosphere of the Chautauqua highlands (less oxygen) than the Pine Barrens must be affecting the OP's judgment. 🤔

 

This is the same......individual who wanted to trade Josh Allen for the Caleb Williams draft pick 

[Walking Tall]

Allen, the reigning NFL MVP, has passed the torch.

 

Speaking of passing, give me some of that ***** you’re smoking.

[Captain Hindsight]

58 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Spoken like a man who's never watched Bo Nix play football 

Right? Nix is Tebow with less marketing 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, Simon said:

 

This is the same......individual who wanted to trade Josh Allen for the Caleb Williams draft pick 

OK, that is more than just oxygen deprivation.  Meth?

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

5 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Allen, the reigning NFL MVP, has passed the torch.

 

Speaking of passing, give me some of that ***** you’re smoking.

Its legal in NY

[TheFunPolice]

Unpopular opinion: Lamar Jackson is never going to be the same QB he was, and it's going to go downhill quickly from here 

 

When healthy he's still dangerous, but we see what he looks like when he can't really run. And injuries are starting to pile up. 

 

He's missed a bunch of games in recent years and also has been severely limited for long stretches. 

 

With age this doesn't get better. 

Edited 1 hour ago by TheFunPolice

[nedboy7]

The narrative that the top 3 QBs are dominating is over.  Thankfully.  

[folz]

It is really hard to stay at the top of your conference for 6+ years (10 for K.C.). There are going to be ups and downs, and dips, even within that stretch, or between two such stretches maybe. It is inevitable due to salary cap, contracts, players aging out, drafting late, other teams getting better, other teams being younger, healthier, hungrier, etc.

 

Yes, there are teams on the rise, but it is foolish to think that the Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson era is over when they are only 28-, 29-, and 30-years old. Most good QBs are productive into their late 30s. There have been 18 NFL QBs to play into their early 40s. These guys all have 10-12 more productive years ahead of them. The talent of the team around them may fluctuate, but they will all still be deep in the hunt most years.

 

And then the next question is can Denver, New England, and Chicago maintain that success for multiple years (as they have to pay their QBs, start drafting later, get FAs poached, have tougher schedules, etc.).

 

As to the QBs themselves, obviously, the young guys will need to prove it in the post-season too (which we have yet to see), but I thought that I would look at the overall stats in comparison, just out of curiosity. Here are the QB stats for each QB's first 25 starts in the league (Williams only has 25 starts thus far, so I used that as the base number for all--even though Nix and Maye have 29 and 28 starts, respectively, to this point).

 

FIRST 25 STARTS IN THE NFL

Player              Total Yards      Total TDs        INTs

Mahomes           8,260                 71                 14

Jackson             6,761                  57                  9

Nix                      6,179                  51                  17

Maye                  6,134                 40                  11

Williams             6,127                  34                  10

Allen                  6,068                 45                  21

 

Caveat for Josh...he was the most raw of those QBs coming into the league and by far came to the worst team (least amount of talent around him). K.C, Baltimore, and Denver were all pretty solid teams when they drafted their QBs. And I venture to say that Chicago and New England both had more talent last year than the 2018 salary-capped purged Bills. But, yeah, statistically the three young QBs have started well. But, let's see if they can continue to grow and produce as circumstances change around them (over a few seasons), before we put them at the same level or ahead of the big three (or four, if you include Burrow).

[Chautauqua Mafia]

31 minutes ago, folz said:

It is really hard to stay at the top of your conference for 6+ years (10 for K.C.). There are going to be ups and downs, and dips, even within that stretch, or between two such stretches maybe. It is inevitable due to salary cap, contracts, players aging out, drafting late, other teams getting better, other teams being younger, healthier, hungrier, etc.

 

Yes, there are teams on the rise, but it is foolish to think that the Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson era is over when they are only 28-, 29-, and 30-years old. Most good QBs are productive into their late 30s. There have been 18 NFL QBs to play into their early 40s. These guys all have 10-12 more productive years ahead of them. The talent of the team around them may fluctuate, but they will all still be deep in the hunt most years.

 

And then the next question is can Denver, New England, and Chicago maintain that success for multiple years (as they have to pay their QBs, start drafting later, get FAs poached, have tougher schedules, etc.).

 

As to the QBs themselves, obviously, the young guys will need to prove it in the post-season too (which we have yet to see), but I thought that I would look at the overall stats in comparison, just out of curiosity. Here are the QB stats for each QB's first 25 starts in the league (Williams only has 25 starts thus far, so I used that as the base number for all--even though Nix and Maye have 29 and 28 starts, respectively, to this point).

 

FIRST 25 STARTS IN THE NFL

Player              Total Yards      Total TDs        INTs

Mahomes           8,260                 71                 14

Jackson             6,761                  57                  9

Nix                      6,179                  51                  17

Maye                  6,134                 40                  11

Williams             6,127                  34                  10

Allen                  6,068                 45                  21

 

Caveat for Josh...he was the most raw of those QBs coming into the league and by far came to the worst team (least amount of talent around him). K.C, Baltimore, and Denver were all pretty solid teams when they drafted their QBs. And I venture to say that Chicago and New England both had more talent last year than the 2018 salary-capped purged Bills. But, yeah, statistically the three young QBs have started well. But, let's see if they can continue to grow and produce as circumstances change around them (over a few seasons), before we put them at the same level or ahead of the big three (or four, if you include Burrow).

Will you look at those numbers!

 

Great reply. Thanks for not dismissing the idea out of hand.

51 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Unpopular opinion: Lamar Jackson is never going to be the same QB he was, and it's going to go downhill quickly from here 

 

When healthy he's still dangerous, but we see what he looks like when he can't really run. And injuries are starting to pile up. 

 

He's missed a bunch of games in recent years and also has been severely limited for long stretches. 

 

With age this doesn't get better. 

Another solid reply. I agree with you about Lamar. As soon as his speed is gone, his career is effectively over 

[Chautauqua Mafia]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

OK, that is more than just oxygen deprivation.  Meth?

What he's not explaining is I've been consistent on the position that while Allen is a physical freak and can do many a great thing he'll never be the kind of QB that Brady, Manning or even brees were. 

 

He's not a processor, and I have doubts as to whether 30+ yo Josh will ever be what he was 3-4 seasons ago. So then the question becomes if he's hoovering 20% of the cap, will the team ever progress beyond where it was in 20/21/22? I have doubts.

 

So what to do with him at that point? I'm open to ideas 

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Its legal in NY

It's also legal in NJ lol

[QLBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Chautauqua Mafia said:

Maye, Williams and Nix are all ascending.

 

Allen, Jackson and Mahomes all floundering. 

 

You make the call: is the torch being passed in the AFC, and are we at the end of an era? Or is this a temporary blip?

Let’s see what any of these young guys do in December and beyond. Once they accomplish something in big games the conversation can start. 

[todd]

2 hours ago, Chautauqua Mafia said:

Maye, Williams and Nix are all ascending.

 

Allen, Jackson and Mahomes all floundering. 

 

You make the call: is the torch being passed in the AFC, and are we at the end of an era? Or is this a temporary blip?

 

It's not April Fool's Day, man. Jeez. 

[Chautauqua Mafia]

7 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Let’s see what any of these young guys do in December and beyond. Once they accomplish something in big games the conversation can start. 

That's a fair take. I think both Maye and Williams will have some measure of success, nix could too. He's more inconsistent 

[Success]

6 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Let’s see what any of these young guys do in December and beyond. Once they accomplish something in big games the conversation can start. 

 

Exactly right.

 

Maye in particular seemed to have issues last year when they needed a drive late to try to win the game.  He was a turnover machine in those moments.  They haven't had many of those this season (one against us, but not as much pressure because the game was still tied).

 

[Southern McButterpants]

39 minutes ago, Chautauqua Mafia said:

 

Another solid reply. I agree with you about Lamar. As soon as his speed is gone, his career is effectively over 

Can we put this on billboard in Baltimore so all the butt-hurt Ravens fans in my socials can gnash teeth, rend garments, and listen to the lamentations of their women?

[zow2]

Tennessee needs a rebrand.  Their helmet logo is stupid looking, their uniforms and font are weird.  Just not a fan,  and the team stinks.