Allen missed a wide open Knox on the final play

[blitzboy54]

This point got made ad nauseum last night. It doesn't matter because OPI was called. They would have had a 4th and 16 I guess but kind of dumb thing to focus on after that tire fire. 

[somnus00]

Allen isn't perfect. He'll miss things from time to time. But it's "easy" to see a wide open Knox when you have the benefit of a camera 30ft in the air and you don't have 4 300 lb men running free at you.

 

I couldn't see which DT stunted to that side, but he was literally between Josh and Knox when Josh looked that way. I doubt he could see him.

[ShakAttack]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

 

 

I blame it on Gabe Davis and his second foot.

 

If he catches that pass in bounds, suddenly you have one of the most unbelievable and spectacular game winning drives in Josh Allen’s career, and this entire narrative never happens… Least not this week.

 

Ugh… seriously though, when I think about this game, I flash back to that one play. That was the opportunity right there. As Dawkins said afterwards “game of inches”

[90sBills]

Allen had guys in his face. He had to rush that pass. 

[Hawaii50]

1 hour ago, Guns N' Rosen said:

There was some real Texas home cookin' during that game 

What about the non working play clock?  That seemed to mess up several bills plays and if I remember correctly wedidn't score on that drive.  How often do we see that happen in a game? Never.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hawaii50

[SCBills]

We don’t have anyone that can win one on one, but Beasley was here with Diggs and Sanders back when our GM cared about WR’s, so I can see where he’s coming from.  

 

He’s also correct that all we run is mesh routes and defenses are completely keyed in on them.   When the pass rush comes quick, Josh just has to guess who might pop open. 
 

Thanks Dion!

 

 

[PoundingDog]

The play before, Texan DE made a great play. I believe if Shakir would get the ball, i see he would get to inside 5 yard line if not outright score.

 

The last play, they got the defender into a conflict state (maybe due to Gabe's foul). Allen saw it and it should be TD to Palmer, but he under threw, maybe the result of  rushing the throw. Shades of the Miami game endzone INT. 

 

This is the season we are having, even though I won't say the main reason Bills are where they are because of Allen's play, but Allen is certainly not what he was last year. Even he admitted that his mechanics is off several games, and that last throw is certainly a case where he is flatfooted, not an ideal throwing position. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, ShakAttack said:

 

True... but of all our WRs... Palmer is likely the best route runner with decent ability to separate. 

 

There have been a lot of instances this season in which Palmer has been open, but Allen isn't looking his way and/or just doesn't throw to him.

 

Not sure if it's the lack of chemistry and reps playing together or what.  Allen definitely seems like the type of QB that needs time to build trust and chemistry with his receivers.  I think Shakir is a good example of that.  Diggs hit the ground running and the connection with Allen was there from Day 1, but I remember hearing about how Diggs was always talking to Allen during his first off-season with the Bills and working extra hard to develop chemistry, so that obviously helps.

Allen also missed a wide open Gabe Davis streaking down the side line on the Hawes check down. I cannot wait until the All 22 film comes out. He is missing receivers, but pointing that out you might as well be criticizing Jesus on this forum 

[Success]

One of the things that I've always given Beane credit for is building a magnificent O-line.

 

I haven't seen that line lately.  Last night in particular was brutal. I get that it was an elite defense - but Allen was under duress the entire evening.  

 

He had so little time, and still managed to get us in a position to win.  Missing a guy on one play that wouldn't have counted anyway is hardly something to even talk about.

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

6 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

The play before, Texan DE made a great play. I believe if Shakir would get the ball, i see he would get to inside 5 yard line if not outright score.

 

The last play, they got the defender into a conflict state (maybe due to Gabe's foul). Allen saw it and it should be TD to Palmer, but he under threw, maybe the result of  rushing the throw. Shades of the Miami game endzone INT. 

 

This is the season we are having, even though I won't say the main reason Bills are where they are because of Allen's play, but Allen is certainly not what he was last year. Even he admitted that his mechanics is off several games, and that last throw is certainly a case where he is flatfooted, not an ideal throwing position. 

He looks slower, more flustered, and is not going through his progressions correctly. My OP is a small sample of an even bigger problem. He is regressing and a lot of that has to do with the line and receivers, (Brady’s playing as well but that hook & lateral was a thing of beauty) but there are plays to be made. The Bills were in position to win. 

3 hours ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

It’s easy to post criticism like this thread if you pretend everything’s in slow motion and you can instantly reposition your body and throw.  Knox came open after the throwing motion was started.  
 

More importantly, it was 4th down and Josh knew he had to QUICKLY get the ball out before the Houston defender diving at his legs resulted in his 9th sack.  Getting sacked on 4th down at the end of games happens to NFL QBs more than people realize. We’re just accustomed to Josh NOT doing that.  
 

Josh played a good game considering the constant heavy pass rush and getting hit over and over. I’m just glad he avoided getting injured. 

Sacked 7 times and 2 picks. He did not have a good game by any standards. Was it all on him ? No, but he missed some guys. I will revisit this when the All 22 film is released.

[PoundingDog]

37 minutes ago, Success said:

One of the things that I've always given Beane credit for is building a magnificent O-line.

 

I haven't seen that line lately.  Last night in particular was brutal. I get that it was an elite defense - but Allen was under duress the entire evening. 

Everything has an expiration date and the current O-Line has been together for 3 years. In NFL, that's like a decade. Dallas a few years ago with Ezekiel Elliott had an O-Line probably better than the Bills (where McGovern was a backup). about 3 years in, it's over. I feel the Bills' O-line is at that stage and we are likely see changes this off-season.

 

It is hard to win it all in NFL. Everything has to lineup. The Bills have a Allen and Cook in their prime but no complements from the defense. Looks like they are investing heavy into defense now and likely next year as well but looks like the O-line will change so we don't know what it is like for them next year and Cook is going to be 27 next year, probably 2 more prime years. 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Lol, "Stone Mitts" was 3 inches of his foot out of bounds from winning the game for us with his late sideline catch.

I knew there was a reason we gave him such a big contract. He almost made a play. Awesome.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

I knew there was a reason we gave him such a big contract. He almost made a play. Awesome.

Who got a big contract? I was talking about Gabe Davis.

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

We don’t have anyone that can win one on one, but Beasley was here with Diggs and Sanders back when our GM cared about WR’s, so I can see where he’s coming from.  

 

He’s also correct that all we run is mesh routes and defenses are completely keyed in on them.   When the pass rush comes quick, Josh just has to guess who might pop open. 
 

Thanks Dion!

 

 

That angle actually makes Palmer seem like the correct target anyway. He was wide open in the end zone. Just a misfire on a day where he got beaten black and blue.

[T master]

5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Despite the pathetic showing by the entire team, per usual the Bills could’ve put it away at the end. Not sure what Josh was thinking because it’s right in front of his face. (FF to 17:15) Before you flame me, i’m not putting the L on Allen, I am stating a simple fact. 

 

 

here’s an even better view 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRTn2GBgHVt/?igsh=MTZzbW9veGRpaG9scA==

He missed more than that 1 , on the play near the end of the game where he through into a 3 man coverage for the INT if you look Cook was WIDE OPEN in the flat to the right of Josh and he would have had the 1st and kept the ball for the Bills but Josh has this thing of not taking what is right there in front of him & trying to get more .

 

I know he see's it on the tape when they re watch the game he needs to stop going for the big gain and take what is there for the taking . He has done that numerous times this year and usually is in the loses that he does it more because he is trying to do to much instead of chilling and getting what's given .

[ALLinALLEN]

2 hours ago, somnus00 said:

Allen isn't perfect. He'll miss things from time to time. But it's "easy" to see a wide open Knox when you have the benefit of a camera 30ft in the air and you don't have 4 300 lb men running free at you.

 

I couldn't see which DT stunted to that side, but he was literally between Josh and Knox when Josh looked that way. I doubt he could see him.

The play call/ concept is a mesh to quite literally get knox wide open. Should of been his first read. 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Despite the pathetic showing by the entire team, per usual the Bills could’ve put it away at the end. Not sure what Josh was thinking because it’s right in front of his face. (FF to 17:15) Before you flame me, i’m not putting the L on Allen, I am stating a simple fact. 

 

 

here’s an even better view 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRTn2GBgHVt/?igsh=MTZzbW9veGRpaG9scA==

 

Why do people keep pointing this out?  It wouldn't have mattered.  There was offensive pass interference on that play and even if he threw it to Knox we would have been backed up to a 4th and 16.

 

Also, I think it's pretty annoying what the All-22 has done.  It's made it so that all we do is look at screen shots of what's available on plays without acknowledging that NFL offensive plays are designed with progressions where there's a read where the ball is supposed to go first second, third, etc.  And when there are rub routes like on that play, the ball is usually expected to go to a very specific spot.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

He looks slower, more flustered, and is not going through his progressions correctly. My OP is a small sample of an even bigger problem. He is regressing and a lot of that has to do with the line and receivers, (Brady’s playing as well but that hook & lateral was a thing of beauty) but there are plays to be made. The Bills were in position to win. 

Sacked 7 times and 2 picks. He did not have a good game by any standards. Was it all on him ? No, but he missed some guys. I will revisit this when the All 22 film is released.

Unpopular take because Allen is the best player on the field. But there is something up. Whether its Brady and the talent around him or Allen himself its hard to say...chicken or egg sort of thing. But Allen is doing things he hasnt done for a long time. Taking 18 yard sacks, throwing balls where he cant see, missing easy throws because either his clock is off or his feet are. What I am wondering is if Allen is not putting in the work on non game days. Is he studying the same way he has the past few years that allowed him to recognize and adjust the plays or OL calls? Is his body, while still a beast, not as able to break tackles and out run guys because he has scaled back some of the extra work? We dont know that stuff. 

[IYKYK]

5 hours ago, dcinmuncie said:

IT DOESN’T MATTER!! It was getting called back regardless !

why are people so dense to this concept?!?!0

Some so called bills fans just don’t like Allen. So when he makes a bad play (which every Qb does) they love to point it out and say I told you so!!!

We would be a two win team without Allen, but let’s not pick every mistake he makes.  Unbelievable!

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, PoundingDog said:

The play before, Texan DE made a great play. I believe if Shakir would get the ball, i see he would get to inside 5 yard line if not outright score.

 

The last play, they got the defender into a conflict state (maybe due to Gabe's foul). Allen saw it and it should be TD to Palmer, but he under threw, maybe the result of  rushing the throw. Shades of the Miami game endzone INT. 

 

This is the season we are having, even though I won't say the main reason Bills are where they are because of Allen's play, but Allen is certainly not what he was last year. Even he admitted that his mechanics is off several games, and that last throw is certainly a case where he is flatfooted, not an ideal throwing position. 

I can’t repeat enough that we seem to be ignoring the hammering he took including an injury immediately proceeding this throw. 
 

I feel like we need to splice him trying to fix his throwing hand alongside him not having his normal zip on this throw

Edited 36 minutes ago by NoSaint