Allen missed a wide open Knox on the final play

[NoSaint]

34 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Despite the pathetic showing by the entire team, per usual the Bills could’ve put it away at the end. Not sure what Josh was thinking because it’s right in front of his face. (FF to 17:15) Before you flame me, i’m not putting the L on Allen, I am stating a simple fact. 

 

 

here’s an even better view 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRTn2GBgHVt/?igsh=MTZzbW9veGRpaG9scA==

Allen was drastically beaten up and had Palmer but not the physical capability to get it there at that point. 

[ShakAttack]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

Allen was drastically beaten up and had Palmer but not the physical capability to get it there at that point. 

 

True... but of all our WRs... Palmer is likely the best route runner with decent ability to separate. 

 

There have been a lot of instances this season in which Palmer has been open, but Allen isn't looking his way and/or just doesn't throw to him.

 

Not sure if it's the lack of chemistry and reps playing together or what.  Allen definitely seems like the type of QB that needs time to build trust and chemistry with his receivers.  I think Shakir is a good example of that.  Diggs hit the ground running and the connection with Allen was there from Day 1, but I remember hearing about how Diggs was always talking to Allen during his first off-season with the Bills and working extra hard to develop chemistry, so that obviously helps.

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, ShakAttack said:

 

True... but of all our WRs... Palmer is likely the best route runner with decent ability to separate. 

 

There have been a lot of instances this season in which Palmer has been open, but Allen isn't looking his way and/or just doesn't throw to him.

 

Not sure if it's the lack of chemistry and reps playing together or what.  Allen definitely seems like the type of QB that needs time to build trust and chemistry with his receivers.  I think Shakir is a good example of that.  Diggs hit the ground running and the connection with Allen was there from Day 1, but I remember hearing about how Diggs was always talking to Allen during his first off-season with the Bills and working extra hard to develop chemistry, so that obviously helps.

does it strike you while typing that he can trust an elite guy but struggles at times with mediocre guys? 
 

Talent matters. We’ve given him little on the perimeter. 

[Johnnycage46]

38 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

These refs were on fire yesterday man. Seems every Loss there is heavy officiating going on… but what do i know ? 

Yeah seemed that way. I dont Houston got a single defensive pass penalty (prob partly due to them not needing to hold our WRs...but still)

[YodaMan79]

There is a line by George Carlin about the general public and the least intelligent person we know that this thread reminds me of...like Triumph...I kid, I kid. 

 

We should give this guy a break though.  This team has sucked the fun out of game day and he's struggling like the rest of us.  

[ShakAttack]

Just now, NoSaint said:

does it strike you while typing that he can trust an elite guy but struggles at times with mediocre guys? 
 

Talent matters. We’ve given him little on the perimeter. 

 

Yes, it obviously does, but Diggs also went out of his way to make sure they were ready to go from day one.  And I believe that's part of making Allen comfortable looking his way too.

 

I believe Palmer is more talented than people give him credit for. And, for what it's worth, even though he's never been a "star" receiver, he was still more productive with the Chargers than Bills.

[rjbbills]

Missed extra point forced us to have to go TD. Could have easily kicked a tying field goal for OT. Not saying they would have won but that one point was costly. But in the long run, it should have never come down to that. 

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

 

Yes, it obviously does, but Diggs also went out of his way to make sure they were ready to go from day one.  And I believe that's part of making Allen comfortable looking his way too.

 

I believe Palmer is more talented than people give him credit for. And, for what it's worth, even though he's never been a "star" receiver, he was still more productive with the Chargers than Bills.

Marginally? Compared to the last two years he’s same YPC and halfway to his production. 
 

talent matters. You are comparing a guy who was top 10 to a guy that’s top 64

[Matt_In_NH]

Is that the same play that Knox was open because of Davis OPI?  Just checking.   Pass rush makes it hard for any QB to execute, they sped up his clock all night.   They got beat in the trenches and lost the turnover battle 0-2.  Not because Knox was open on a play that would have been called back.

[Niagara Dude]

53 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I'll hold Allen accountable when he has a competent coach 

 

Allen already did his job multiple times over the years, including doing " elway the drive" not once but twice in the final mins and his coach flushed it down the toilet.

 

So did Allen miss knox. Yeah

 

Was Allen bad. Yeah

 

 

Do I care? No. Because they're never going anywhere with this regime. Allen is the only reason we're even relevant 

 

 

 

 

Agreed you take away Allen and this is bottom 3 team in the NFL. I thought they should have tried to run Cook or even Davis on the previous 3 & 1 to secure the first down and then just take shots to the end zone

 

The reality is Knox is a perfect example of Beane overpaying for a fringe talent player,  he is not someone who you can count on to make a big play in crunch time because he does to offer any elite talent skills

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Agreed you take away Allen and this is bottom 3 team in the NFL. I thought they should have tried to run Cook or even Davis on the previous 3 & 1 to secure the first down and then just take shots to the end zone

 

The reality is Knox is a perfect example of Beane overpaying for a fringe talent player,  he is not someone who you can count on to make a big play in crunch time because he does to offer any elite talent skills

I get more inspiration from my local deli than anything from this dick jaroun clone 

 

Looking at McDermotts face on the sideline is like watching the end of leaving las Vegas over & over again.

 

I can't deal with it anymore 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kelly to Allen

[PatsFanNH]

49 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

These refs were on fire yesterday man. Seems every Loss there is heavy officiating going on… but what do i know ? 

That was an easy call that any ref crew would have made it was a terrible run pick play. I think the Bills are lucky Allen didn’t get hurt as often as he was hit.. I will say on a couple (like the 2nd sack) he has to throw the ball away at some point.

[Kelly to Allen]

30 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

As far as the shoulda woulda stuff...

 

The offensive PI on 4th and 6...

 

Despite everything, that sure looked like defensive PI to me.

 

One of our receivers is tackled in the middle of the field during his route.

 

Even the Texans seemed to be convinced that flag was going to  be on them.

 

Surprised this isn't getting any attention given all the things that have.

 

It's a moot point. They played not to lose because that's who the coach is and everything they feared is actually what happened. 

 

 

 "Train yourself to let go... of everything you fear to lose," from Yoda in Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kelly to Allen

[streetkings01]

I already had to argue with people last night about this…..it was OPI anyways, but yea let’s make a thread about it 🙄

[jethro_tull]

saw that too.  unfortunately with the texans defense overwheming our tattered O Line and the defense poor first half play and phantom ref calls and a missed extra point JA needed to be perfect to have a chance to win

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Seeing him throw to Knox would have been great to see him find a wide open guy, but the play WOULDN'T HAVE COUNTED ANYWAY!

 

I don't understand why people can't comprehend this. 

 

1 hour ago, stlbills13 said:

Did this many people really miss the OPI flag on the play? 

 

57 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Yup, Knox was open because of Davis PI penalty, Kind of unbelievable how clueless people are.

 

54 minutes ago, dcinmuncie said:

IT DOESN’T MATTER!! It was getting called back regardless !

why are people so dense to this concept?!?!0

 

7 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

I already had to argue with people last night about this…..it was OPI anyways, but yea let’s make a thread about it 🙄

 

if the throw was completed to Knox and he gets the first down the Texans accept the penalty and the Bills get another down. Yes it would have been 4th and long but 4th and long is better than the end of the game. 
 

Not sure why people aren’t understanding that. 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

 

 

 

 

 

if the throw was completed to Knox and he gets the first down the Texans accept the penalty and the Bills get another down. Yes it would have been 4th and long but 4th and long is better than the end of the game. 
 

Not sure why people aren’t understanding that. 

Palmer had space too. 
 

Josh was just criminally abused and physically couldn’t get it to him it seemed. 

[Livinginthepast]

39 minutes ago, rjbbills said:

Missed extra point forced us to have to go TD. Could have easily kicked a tying field goal for OT. Not saying they would have won but that one point was costly. But in the long run, it should have never come down to that. 

True but they had almost the whole game to make that up. Had Brady not gone for the 3 yards back to get 1 yard run play on the best defense in the league we might have got a TD or FG on that drive. We blew at least two drives when we should have scored and were starting to get rolling and Brady got stupid.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

It was coming back regardless 

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Seeing him throw to Knox would have been great to see him find a wide open guy, but the play WOULDN'T HAVE COUNTED ANYWAY!

 

I don't understand why people can't comprehend this. 

Yes it would have counted (ie, been relevant). 
 

Texans would have to accept penalty, and Bills would have had another play. 
 

I don’t understand why people can’t comprehend this. 😎