If Missing the Playoffs Is What it Will Take for Change, Would You Welcome It?

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, MPL said:

I find myself asking the question: if this year's Bills team is not good enough to win the Super Bowl, and that certainly seems to be the case based on the 11-game sample size, is there any actual benefit to making the playoffs? I can't imagine the players on this team are getting any kind of psychological boost or confidence for the future with every subsequent playoff exit. 

 

As miserable as it is yes. You take your lottery ticket with Allen...

 

 

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't want to miss the playoffs to force regime change, no. 

 

But I am increasingly of the view Beane has to go. I know we have some injuries but this roster beyond 4 or 5 guys sucks. It really does. And by extension that means McDermott has to go, because to me they are a package deal, I want my GM and coach being a package deal and replacing one then forcing a new person on the other almost never works. 

I agree on Beane.  I question whether Terry blows the whole thing (McD included) up unless Josh puts his foot down.  What I can see happening, based on no inside knowledge, is Josh getting frustrated, and Terry making a simple, safe move (Belichick, proven winner [I suppose, if one discounts Brady and video] and new defensive staff; Daboll, keep some holdovers on the offensive staff) to placate Josh and to mitigate risk.  If McD does stay, then one has to wonder who the sacrificial lamb will be.  The bet here is Brady and the S/C staff, with some changes on the defensive side of the ball that might not include Babich.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Glad you could make it!! I’ve been saving you a seat (since January of 2022). 

 

Haha. I still think Sean McDermott can coach. I don't buy that he couldn't coach a team to a Superbowl. But he can't coach this team, built this way, to a Superbowl and while I accept at least at the strategic level he has an input into the roster build he isn't the one responsible for the talent acquisition or for selecting the pieces for this roster. And the roster is not good enough. 

 

I don't see how it gets better with a GM who is very good at finding guys but very bad at finding THE guy. 

[Southern Bills Fan]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

As miserable as it is yes. You take your lottery ticket with Allen...

 

 

He’s been a great soldier but how long before he wants out? Josh knows his career won’t last forever. 

[DJB]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Glad you could make it!! I’ve been saving you a seat (since January of 2022). 

Yes but look at the wording. McDermott only goes because Beane goes. He’s still inexplicably a McDermott supporter 

[Southern McButterpants]

Yeah, I'm done. I've been done with the Sabres for years - don't care, don't watch don't follow (I said at the time that the tank wouldn't work because this is Buffalo - why would anyone think that would work?).

 

I said after last year's AFCCG that i needed to step away. I am furious today.

 

Furious that this regime (McBeane) will continue in perpetuity.

Furious that even if Brady leaves, they'll bring in/promote some nobody to run the offense.

Furious that we are wasting JA17 - He'll never win a championship here.

Furious that I'm 61, and I will never see a person wearing a charging Buffalo raise the Lombardi.

Furious that I fell for this BS again.

Furious that after all of the investment in the defense - draft picks, FA signings, etc. that this pathetic group of losers who don't know (or maybe care)  how to tackle show up week after week after week.... THAT defense in those ridiculous red helmets and bad pajamas is what you want  - great talent evaluation on that side of the ball.

Furious that our GM went on a local radio station and admonished the host for saying that a #1 wide receiver was a necessity.

Furious that a crap team like Houston (and Atlanta and Miami for that matter) B word slapped us all night and NO ONE did a thing about it, except go the to blue tent to nurse their sore balls after repeated kicks.

Furious that they're wasting how many millions of cap space on Curtis Samuel who apparently is made of very thin glass.

Furious that once again, we're saying, "Wait 'til next year."

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Haha. I still think Sean McDermott can coach. I don't buy that he couldn't coach a team to a Superbowl. But he can't coach this team, built this way, to a Superbowl and while I accept at least at the strategic level he has an input into the roster build he isn't the one responsible for the talent acquisition or for selecting the pieces for this roster. And the roster is not good enough. 

 

I don't see how it gets better with a GM who is very good at finding guys but very bad at finding THE guy. 

Yeah, I don’t think McDermott is the worst coach. He’s average and the roster sucks. It’s tough to “coach them up.” For me, it’s always been as much about a new voice because I didn’t see much downside. This year has been worse than I thought possible with that schedule. I thought that in a horrible year 12-5 and a division title was the floor. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

The biggest miss is they have reloaded on defense this offseason, and it's gotten worse. Bad contracts, really bad drafting and aging vets. And the fundementals are just awful, it's a complete poo bag. 

 

And then it's what the heck they'll do on the offensive side of the ball.

The offense to me is a fairly easy fix if some of the understudies on the line are ready to play.  QB/RB/TE are all solidly in place.  Slot is there--I think--and it's really a matter of finding effective speed at WR.  

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Haha. I still think Sean McDermott can coach. I don't buy that he couldn't coach a team to a Superbowl. But he can't coach this team, built this way, to a Superbowl and while I accept at least at the strategic level he has an input into the roster build he isn't the one responsible for the talent acquisition or for selecting the pieces for this roster. And the roster is not good enough. 

 

I don't see how it gets better with a GM who is very good at finding guys but very bad at finding THE guy. 

 

 

His defense is the worst in NFL playoff history over 5 straight elimination games....

 

33.2 ppg allowed. And as horrible as that is, it gets worse.

 

Because his defense and his coaching career is defined by one of the worst meltdowns in NFL playoff history. 13 seconds 

 

 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Close to zero chance McDermott is fired.

 

Maybe 50/50 that Beane goes though. The owner will want to be talked into the idea of keeping McDermott at least, so that might be the route.

 

IF there is a change Daboll will be HC. Pegula loves him as does Josh. 

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

He’s been a great soldier but how long before he wants out? Josh knows his career won’t last forever. 

Allen isn't leaving. He's not built that way. He would look at it as quiting. That's not in his dna

[May Day 10]

Nope.  I want Beane and McDermott to stay.  The Bills can definitely do better but...

 

 

have you seen the Sabres?  Terry Pegula isn't going to make good decisions and hires.

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

Close to zero chance McDermott is fired.

 

Maybe 50/50 that Beane goes though. The owner will want to be talked into the idea of keeping McDermott at least, so that might be the route.

 

IF there is a change Daboll will be HC. Pegula loves him as does Josh. 

 

Daboll isn't perfect but man it would head in the right direction imo.

 

 

1 minute ago, May Day 10 said:

Nope.  I want Beane and McDermott to stay.  The Bills can definitely do better but...

 

 

have you seen the Sabres?  Terry Pegula isn't going to make good decisions and hires.

 

You can't have this philosophy in life afraid of what could go wrong dude

[zow2]

35 minutes ago, nucci said:

The Sabres keep missing the playoffs and Pegula does nothing. It will be the same with the Bills.

 

The Sabres missing the playoffs with many regime changes, means the Bills are not going to make changes.  Not until they finish multiple seasons below .500.  Pegula is not going to mess with McDermott and Beane until this thing completely burns to the ground. 

[Southern McButterpants]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Close to zero chance McDermott is fired.

 

Maybe 50/50 that Beane goes though. The owner will want to be talked into the idea of keeping McDermott at least, so that might be the route.

 

IF there is a change Daboll will be HC. Pegula loves him as does Josh. 

Oh, come on. Kevin Adams still has a job after SIX YEARS. 

[May Day 10]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Daboll isn't perfect but man it would head in the right direction imo.

 

 

 

You can't have this philosophy in life afraid of what could go wrong dude

 

Im not afraid in life.

 

Im just certain that Terry pegula is an out of touch monkey and has no idea when it comes to sports.    He has taken a pretty strong historic NHL franchise and single-handedly turned them into the doormat of the league, and the front office is filled with un-qualified yes-men.

 

I am certain McDermott and Beane are the best we are going to get out of Terry.

 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't want to miss the playoffs to force regime change, no. 

 

But I am increasingly of the view Beane has to go. I know we have some injuries but this roster beyond 4 or 5 guys sucks. It really does. And by extension that means McDermott has to go, because to me they are a package deal, I want my GM and coach being a package deal and replacing one then forcing a new person on the other almost never works. 

The proverbial chickens have come home to roost.

 

years and years of neglecting WR, throwing around cap space to bring in overpaid scrubs on bad contracts (Curtis Samuel), extending our super core of JAG+ defensive players to the tune of like $200M. 
 

We have a crappy roster with a good OL and a great QB, no cap space, no maneuverability, and nowhere to go but down.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I stand by what I've been saying. Beane has totally screwed the pooch (WR anyone) and needs to be shown the door. His lack of ability to bring in front line guys beyond Josh has hamstrung what the coaches can do. Missing the playoffs is probably what it'll take to get it done.

 

I also think McDermott and Beane parted ways awhile ago on what this team needed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 59 minutes ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, May Day 10 said:

 

Im not afraid in life.

 

Im just certain that Terry pegula is an out of touch monkey and has no idea when it comes to sports.    He has taken a pretty strong historic NHL franchise and single-handedly turned them into the doormat of the league, and the front office is filled with un-qualified yes-men.

 

I am certain McDermott and Beane are the best we are going to get out of Terry.

 

 

It really is sad. Because I know you are right. I just don't think Terry has the guts to do anything different here

[SoonerBillsFan]

Yes.  We have the QB, now get him help