11/20/2025 Bills @ Texans post game thread

[QLBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Okay. You're on record as saying that Josh doesn't have any responsibility to get his teammates prepared.

 

Got it.

 

 

You said "Funny the D stats show that the Bills are a bottom 10 D."

 

I said that's not true and in fact it's not true.

 

You stated the erroneous facts... now prove em.

 

#31 against the run.. that’s a championship D 👍

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, QLBillsFan said:

#31 against the run.. that’s a championship D 👍

Only suprise here is that there is another team that's worse

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, QLBillsFan said:

#31 against the run.. that’s a championship D 👍

 

You said that the Bills are a bottom 10 defense.

 

They're 14th in points allowed per game (18th from the bottom).

 

They're 10th in yards allowed per game (22nd from the bottom).

 

So you were wrong... they're actually in the top half of the league defensively.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netYardsPerGame/dir/asc

 

[QLBillsFan]

17 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You said that the Bills are a bottom 10 defense.

 

They're 14th in points allowed per game (18th from the bottom).

 

They're 10th in yards allowed per game (22nd from the bottom).

 

So you were wrong... they're actually in the top half of the league defensively.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netYardsPerGame/dir/asc

 

Again as I stated they are 31st run D that’s a fact. If you think they are a top half of the league D you’re delusional. All analytical football watchers know the Bills D is and has been the problem. This doesn’t excuse the O from poor performances.. but the D and its soft philosophy and player size is the problem. 

19 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Okay. You're on record as saying that Josh doesn't have any responsibility to get his teammates prepared.

 

Got it.

 

 

You said "Funny the D stats show that the Bills are a bottom 10 D."

 

I said that's not true and in fact it's not true.

 

You stated the erroneous facts... now prove em.

 

You’re blending two different discussions. I have never said Josh or the O aren’t responsible when they play poorly. But any objective Bills watcher is aware the D week in and week out is the Bills biggest problem. 

[Sierra Foothills]

10 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Again as I stated they are 31st run D that’s a fact. If you think they are a top half of the league D you’re delusional. All analytical football watchers know the Bills D is and has been the problem. This doesn’t excuse the O from poor performances.. but the D and its soft philosophy and player size is the problem. 

You’re blending two different discussions. I have never said Josh or the O aren’t responsible when they play poorly. But any objective Bills watcher is aware the D week in and week out is the Bills biggest problem. 

 

You claimed that the Bills D is "a bottom 10 defense." Statistically they are not so you are wrong.

 

Secondly and separately, you've stated that Josh doesn't have any responsibility for getting his teammates prepared. So we disagree.

 

I'm not "blending two discussions."

 

[Buffalo716]

25 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You claimed that the Bills D is "a bottom 10 defense." Statistically they are not so you are wrong.

 

Secondly and separately, you've stated that Josh doesn't have any responsibility for getting his teammates prepared. So we disagree.

 

I'm not "blending two discussions."

 

 

At the end of the day scoring defense is the only thing that matters and you're right it's not bottom 10

 

Certainly leaves a lot to be improved and McDermott should be grinding to improving it 

 

But if we're like 13th or 14th now and we're not even peaked it probably is a top 10 scoring defense... McDermott does give up rushing yards and some yards between the twenties 

 

He has never been one over nine years here too get gashed scoring wise.. his points per game here against are typically always closer to the top than the bottom

Edited 10 hours ago by Buffalo716

[reddogblitz]

On 11/20/2025 at 8:29 PM, bills6969 said:

Petition to never play in Houston again 

 

JP could win in Houston.

 

 

 

As could Bledsoe but I couldn't find the highlight.  But I know he did cuz I was there.

[QLBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You claimed that the Bills D is "a bottom 10 defense." Statistically they are not so you are wrong.

 

Secondly and separately, you've stated that Josh doesn't have any responsibility for getting his teammates prepared. So we disagree.

 

I'm not "blending two discussions."

 

You are quoting GoBills808 not me above. So if you’re going to have a discussion please don’t quote the wrong person. That’s not my statement. If you’re going to be smug at least get it right what you’re attributing. 

The Bills are 31st against the run. They are not a playoff caliber D. So yes you have blended discussions. Each loss can be attributed to a poor run D as the key factor in the losses. And since the HC is known for his D expertise that’s a problem. I’ve provided fair balance that in the losses the O is not excused.

Happy to continue to conversation but let’s not make up quotes from others about your position. 

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

You are quoting GoBills808 not me above. So if you’re going to have a discussion please don’t quote the wrong person. That’s not my statement. If you’re going to be smug at least get it right what you’re attributing. 

The Bills are 31st against the run. They are not a playoff caliber D. So yes you have blended discussions. Each loss can be attributed to a poor run D as the key factor in the losses. And since the HC is known for his D expertise that’s a problem. I’ve provided fair balance that in the losses the O is not excused.

Happy to continue to conversation but let’s not make up quotes from others about your position. 

 

Ah I see what caused my confusion.

 

Apologies.

 

[Chaos]

On 11/21/2025 at 5:30 PM, GoBills808 said:

It's the McDermott way. He has conditioned us

 

We will examine w a fine tooth comb every Allen throw looking for what he could have done better

 

The defense? Hey, you played great for half a game, take a bow!

It is alot of about expectations.   The expectation or Allen for each game, is that he breaks some all-time NFL record, and plays a near perfect game.  Often he can't meet that expectation.  The expectation for the defense is "hey they are 31'st against the run because they suck, if they give up less than 40 points, its only due to the miracle of coaching" . And the defense is often able to exceed this expectation. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Despite the loss, Danielle Hunter is a class act in my book. Could’ve absolute wrecked Josh’s knee. Here’s the clip….

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRYefYADIfp/?igsh=YmZuc3NrNGNyMzZh

[RiotAct]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

JP could win in Houston.

 

 

 

As could Bledsoe but I couldn't find the highlight.  But I know he did cuz I was there.

lol… one of the inaugural Youtube videos

[CincyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

At the end of the day scoring defense is the only thing that matters and you're right it's not bottom 10

 

Certainly leaves a lot to be improved and McDermott should be grinding to improving it 

 

But if we're like 13th or 14th now and we're not even peaked it probably is a top 10 scoring defense... McDermott does give up rushing yards and some yards between the twenties 

 

He has never been one over nine years here too get gashed scoring wise.. his points per game here against are typically always closer to the top than the bottom

Scoring defense is not the only thing that matters.  Lack of creating turnovers, giving up long time consuming drives robbing the offense of possessions, giving up non scoring drives that flip the field position and the point in a game that a defense allows scoring drives can matter just as much.  By any rational assessment the Bills are a bottom 10 D.  If we can't agree on this then we can't agree on anything.

 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

On 11/21/2025 at 5:01 PM, HappyDays said:

That's real nice from McDermott. Pat his side of the ball on the back for "great adjustments" while throwing his personally picked OC under the bus. You can practically see him crafting his offseason pitch to Terry Pegula in real time.

The problem with McD's comments is that he doesn't address the elephant in the room - the woeful first half performances of his defenses in multiple games. Against Houston, Atlanta, Baltimore & Tampa Bay the Bills D was largely non-existent for one half to three quarters of the game.  

 

I've seen this bizarre and frankly disgusting shtick from McD before where he throws the offense under the bus for not plying great while making excuses for and/or not recognizing the putrid play of his defense -  a unit that gets the lions share of draft picks & FA signings and represents his personal area of expertise.

 

 

 

 

On 11/21/2025 at 5:04 PM, Buffalo716 said:

To be fair the defense was really good in the second half 

 

To be even fairer the defense was awful in the 1st half against Houston and was awful for large parts of the games against the Ravens, Bucs, Dolphins & Falcons.

 

Defense is a McD specialty it's his area of expertise.  On top of that the lions share of FA signings and draft capital has been allocated to the D.  It is not enough to make effective adjustments later in a game.  

[CincyBillsFan]

On 11/21/2025 at 5:12 PM, HappyDays said:

Good stuff from Brady. Throw some blame at Allen for the hits he took and deny that there was any problem with the process on the failed Cook run on 4th and 1.

Yea because we all know that giving the ball to your RB 4 STRAIGHT times on a drive worked real well in high school.

 

 

On 11/21/2025 at 5:30 PM, GoBills808 said:

It's the McDermott way. He has conditioned us

 

We will examine w a fine tooth comb every Allen throw looking for what he could have done better

 

The defense? Hey, you played great for half a game, take a bow!

And McD has done this so often I think he really believes it. Its explains why every season plays out like Ground Hog Day in the final results.

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The problem with McD's comments is that he doesn't address the elephant in the room - the woeful first half performances of his defenses in multiple games. Against Houston, Atlanta, Baltimore & Tampa Bay the Bills D was largely non-existent for one half to three quarters of the game.  

 

I've seen this bizarre and frankly disgusting shtick from McD before where he throws the offense under the bus for not plying great while making excuses for and/or not recognizing the putrid play of his defense -  a unit that gets the lions share of draft picks & FA signings and represents his personal area of expertise.

 

 

 

 

It’s like we constantly defend and make excuses for our abuser. 

“Well, the defense is so beat up...”  

 

This refrain is now going on 3 years in a row.  Every year this is an excuse.  
 

Something can’t be an excuse 3 years in a row.   At some point it’s reality and correlation does equal causation.  Sign old players.  Draft undersized players.  Extend injury prone players.   What do we think is going to happen?

 

This Defense has:

 

Current DL.. former 2nd Round Pick on an extension, former 1st Round Pick on an extension.  $12.6M DE.  Recent high 2nd Round Pick.  Recent high 4th Round Pick. $7M DT and an $8M DT. 
 

LB..Recent extension at LB.  Recent 3rd Round Pick. $6M LB. 
 

Slot.. $10M per year slot corner

 

CB.. Recent extension.  1st Round Pick. 
 

S.. Recent 2nd Round Pick. 
 

But why should we ever expect them to be above average with a defensive minded HC with the losses of Oliver and Hoecht!?… that’s why. 

 

[Shortchaz]

Regardless of rank, our defense is far from stout. 
 

If we swapped quarterbacks against Houston the final score is probably 40+ to <10. 
 

when our offense is struggling, we can’t rely on our defense to shut the other team down. Give us turnovers, give us field position, give a spark. They are not a strength. 

[SCBills]

28 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Regardless of rank, our defense is far from stout. 
 

If we swapped quarterbacks against Houston the final score is probably 40+ to <10. 
 

when our offense is struggling, we can’t rely on our defense to shut the other team down. Give us turnovers, give us field position, give a spark. They are not a strength. 

It’s a weird spot because our Defense usually does figure it out if they have a bad half, but with our Offense, when the game script flips and we are playing with the worry that it could get away from us, it seems to put extra strain on Josh Allen to where he doesn’t feel comfortable taking the easy stuff or avoiding sacks/turnovers.   Combined with Brady’s struggles, it then snowballs to become an all-game issue.