Should we look to trade Keon after this season?

[Low Positive]

The Texans got something for Mechie, and his production over two seasons was even less than Keon’s. But because the was a high second rounder, teams still were willing to give up a late rounder to see if there was anything there. So, the Bills will get a sixth or a seventh for Keon if they want to trade him in March. 

[dayman]

Get a 6. Get him out

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Not sure but I'm glad you see my point.

Like I said earlier; to outright cut him next March it cost the Bills $5.5M.

It cost them 30m to cut Diggs

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

No Elam showed far less than Keon has. Seriously, do you watch the NFL? Some here have said we'd be better suited with Roman Wilson over Keon. 

what is this take?

 

This player had an up and down rookie year where they had some flashes.
 

Beane traded a 3rd round pick to shore up their position group midseason, in part because they weren’t doing enough.

 

In year 2, they didn’t really progress despite a MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY in front of them, and suddenly found themselves inactive and in the coach’s dog house.

 

Which player am I talking about?

 

Spoilers…. It’s both of them. 

Edited 2 hours ago by FireChans

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

what is this take?

 

This player had an up and down rookie year where they had some flashes.
 

Beane traded a 3rd round pick to shore up their position group midseason, in part because they weren’t doing enough.

 

In year 2, they didn’t really progress despite a MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY in front of them, and suddenly found themselves inactive and in the coach’s dog house.

 

Which player am I talking about?

 

Spoilers…. It’s both of them. 

Call me a homer but think Keon's shown to be better than Wilson but I know Wilson be a Pro Bowler here.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

There's a mob of Bills fans after poor Keon !!

 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, <bills4life> said:

Ladd is pretty damn good. At the time it wasn’t even a question. That’s why the chargers sprinted right up to the podium afterwards. Dumb. 

And again for the 1000.time we didn't need a slot WR when we drafted Coleman but I know, you think all DTs are NTs? 

[FireChans]

27 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Call me a homer but think Keon's shown to be better than Wilson but I know Wilson be a Pro Bowler here.

I don’t even know who you are referring to.

 

what I do know is that Keon basically has had next to zero competition at the boundary WR position two years running and has fumbled that opportunity massively. 
 

He misses a game for bad behavior, which would be a terrible thing even if he was great, and our offense basically doesn’t miss a beat with a one-legged Gabe Davis and an UDFA who wasn’t good enough to make an NFL team last year.

 

I think it’s safe to say he has failed to take advantage of his opportunity here thus far. He’s just lucky that we didn’t draft a 6th round WR who was infinitely better than him like what happened to Elam.

[The Jokeman]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don’t even know who you are referring to.

 

what I do know is that Keon basically has had next to zero competition at the boundary WR position two years running and has fumbled that opportunity massively. 
 

He misses a game for bad behavior, which would be a terrible thing even if he was great, and our offense basically doesn’t miss a beat with a one-legged Gabe Davis and an UDFA who wasn’t good enough to make an NFL team last year.

 

I think it’s safe to say he has failed to take advantage of his opportunity here thus far. He’s just lucky that we didn’t draft a 6th round WR who was infinitely better than him like what happened to Elam.

I'm referring to a 3rd round WR drafted same year as Keon that some have stated better than. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRo02.htm

 

And just because Keon hasn't shown to be the alpha we wanted he still has value as a depth player and he's earning 2nd Round pick the next two season. Play him through his contract. Hell players can improve in year 3 and 4.

 

Look at WanDale Robinson with the Giants. Or Alec Pierce with Colts or Christian Watson of the Packers etc. etc.

Edited 1 hour ago by The Jokeman

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My feelings on Bishop are documented on here. He looked lost but had a high ceiling. His RAS was really high. He was worth the investment in case he harnessed the athletic upside. 
 

I do not usually have an issue with character concerns. For the right talent, you push it to the side. Diggs caused some headaches. They shouldn’t have been so quick to move on. Marshawn was immature but playing at a Pro Bowl level to start his career. That’s not like Coleman. If he had 1100 yards and 7 TDs as a rookie, we would look the other way on his immaturity. 

 

Lynch was a sub-league average ypa RB each season from 2007 to 2010.

 

It was fun watching him crash into defenders........but today we'd call him "game script" dependent.

 

In his "pro bowl" season in Buffalo he was actually only 13th in rushing yards and just 25th in ypa with a pretty pathetic 6 yards per catch as a receiver. 

 

Despite high first round pedigree Lynch was only worth about a 3rd round pick(Buddy only got a 4th)

 

It certainly wasn't ANYWHERE NEAR the value that a 21 year old 1100 yard 7 TD rookie WR would have today.

 

Probably a first rounder-in-trade level short.

 

So let's be realistic with our parallels.

 

Had Coleman not gotten hurt he likely clears 700 yards as a rookie.......which would have been tremendous rookie production from one of the youngest, least polished WR in that draft.

 

Beane f#cked up royally expecting him to be WR1.  He was/is a project with a very high ceiling.   

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Lynch was a sub-league average ypa RB each season from 2007 to 2010.

 

It was fun watching him crash into defenders........but today we'd call him "game script" dependent.

 

In his "pro bowl" season in Buffalo he was actually only 13th in rushing yards and just 25th in ypa with a pretty pathetic 6 yards per catch as a receiver. 

 

Despite high first round pedigree Lynch was only worth about a 3rd round pick(Buddy only got a 4th)

 

It certainly wasn't ANYWHERE NEAR the value that a 21 year old 1100 yard 7 TD rookie WR would have today.

 

Probably a first rounder-in-trade level short.

 

So let's be realistic with our parallels.

 

Had Coleman not gotten hurt he likely clears 700 yards as a rookie.......which would have been tremendous rookie production from one of the youngest, least polished WR in that draft.

 

Beane f#cked up royally expecting him to be WR1.  He was/is a project with a very high ceiling.   

I’m not sure I’ve seen much from Coleman to visualize his “high ceiling.”

 

he exhibits poor spacing and body control effectively all the time.

 

Is his ceiling high because he’s a generally good athlete and his skills are so unrefined that if he fixed them he might be really good one day? He’s probably a bit stronger than the average WR but also a bit slower and really lacks burst imo. 
 

I never saw the vision for what it’s worth.  His range was Devin Funchess/Devante Parker-tier to me. But your point is fair, he didn’t ask to be the savior of the Bills WR room, that’s all on Beane.

[DeltaDigital]

19 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I never saw the vision for what it’s worth.  His range was Devin Funchess/Devante Parker-tier to me. But your point is fair, he didn’t ask to be the savior of the Bills WR room, that’s all on Beane.

do not insult the dolphin great devante parker.... how DARE you.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, DeltaDigital said:

do not insult the dolphin great devante parker.... how DARE you.

Say what you want about Devante Parker, but he was maybe the best big slow career ever.

 

His rookie season vs Keon’s 

 

50 targets 26 rec 494 yards and 3 TDs, 19 YPC

 

57 targets 29 rec 556 yards and 4 TDs, 19.2 YPC,

 

they are basically peas in a pod

[BADOLBILZ]

 

When you aren't playing well you look slow.

 

Remember when people were saying Spencer Brown didn't have the feet to play tackle?

 

You can't expect to get early career boundary WR1 results from the 8th WR selected in a draft.

 

But they did. 

 

What was maddening was the marketing of him as a rookie.........all the merch that was made by the team and the ridiculous expectations that created.   I don't even remember them marketing Allen like that as a rookie but certainly no-non QB rookie in memory was given the treatment like that.   And some of the color that made him interesting to the Bills marketing department was clearly a red flag about his maturity level.

[Mikie2times]

In honor of this thread, I gathered all my Macy's jackets and burned them. Now I'm cold. 

[RyanC883]

Terrible pick.  He seems to be this years McD/Bean scapegoat. 

[Kelly to Allen]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

No Elam showed far less than Keon has. Seriously, do you watch the NFL? Some here have said we'd be better suited with Roman Wilson over Keon. 

 

 

As a fan that loves this team , I'm guilty as everyone else in that I've always tried to look at players with a a glass half full type of optimism or in the most positive light. It's normal to do that. 

 

But if you really step back and watch keon  play, I feel like it's being forced. Like forced to a ridiculous level. It literally looks awkward 

 

I mean sometimes a player just sucks.... 

 

You can try to rationalize any reason you want. Maybe it's Allen missing him on a certain play, maybe it's the style of the offense, maybe it's just a bad day and it's inconsistent. Maybe it's any number of issues....

 

What we know is that it's not working. When he wasn't playing ,not only did it work, it looked awesome!!! And it looked awesome even with Allen being inconsistent & really having like his B- level game...

 

I swear I kept saying years ago how Mike Williams and JP Losman were extremely talented, and it was always another excuse I would try to come up with. Looking back it, they just sucked bro. It wasn't anymore complicated than that.

 

Yes every once in a blue moon you have a player that might start out very slow and then start to emerge, but usually more than not a player is pretty good right away. 

 

Everything with Keon is forcing someone to be something that just isn't there.

 

No amount of squinting and pretending will turn Coleman into Eric Moulds. He's just not that guy

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 40 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

And again for the 1000.time we didn't need a slot WR when we drafted Coleman but I know, you think all DTs are NTs? 

McConkey is much more than a slot. 

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Chaos said:

McConkey is much more than a slot. 

 

But not only that everyone can see the obvious talent. It's not like this big mystery on why he's not producing.... because he is producing and he is talented lol

 

None of this is happening with Coleman

 

 

[Chaos]

49 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m not sure I’ve seen much from Coleman to visualize his “high ceiling.”

 

he exhibits poor spacing and body control effectively all the time.

 

Is his ceiling high because he’s a generally good athlete and his skills are so unrefined that if he fixed them he might be really good one day? He’s probably a bit stronger than the average WR but also a bit slower and really lacks burst imo. 
 

I never saw the vision for what it’s worth.  His range was Devin Funchess/Devante Parker-tier to me. But your point is fair, he didn’t ask to be the savior of the Bills WR room, that’s all on Beane.

How high is your celing if you are are slow.