According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch

[milfandcookies]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Dawkins should look at himself. He jumps Offside every stinking game 

[sullim4]

7 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Dawkins should look at himself. He jumps Offside every stinking game 

 

This is not going to be a popular take, but I agree with you that Dion has regressed this season, especially with respect to penalties.  The officials have been calling '73' out a lot more often on false starts and holds than in the past, and they haven't exactly been phantom calls, either.

[Beck Water]

On 11/15/2025 at 5:54 PM, Captain_Quint said:

If Beane whiffed this bad on Elam and Coleman, he needs to be shown the door too. That's a long track record if you throw in Cody Ford, Boogie, etc. 

 

How many draft picks have other GMs of contending teams whiff on?
How many of their FA signings haven't worked out?

I can't disagree with you on Elam and Boogie being busts.  Ford was interesting - he's been starting consistently for Cincy.  And Coleman isn't looking good but it's only halfway through his 2nd season.

But when we want to talk " track record", don't we have to ask questions about what a great track record looks like, and how Beane compares to that?

Again, I'm not really disputing your evaluation, but if you want to throw the GM of a team with 6 successful previous winning seasons out the door when the team is 6 and 3 this year (after devastating injuries on defense), a bit of context might be useful

 

On 11/15/2025 at 6:00 PM, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I am not saying they are wrong, but is this really. “Sourced” insight. How connected are these guys?

 

With the activation and signing, they are carrying 7 WRs PLUS Gabe tomorrow. It’s likely two of the original 6 will be inactive. Given the McD comments and tape online, it seems to make sense.

 

Could this just be a connecting of the dots vs actually reporting? 

 

I think it's probably sourced.  I haven't been paying as much attention recently but as of a couple years ago when I did, the Cover1 crew had a number of players as guests on their podcasts and they do seem to get some inside scoop. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Beck Water

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

More drama. Yay.

 

Beane & McDermott sure know how to pick em. Glad they decided we didn't need to make a trade before the deadline though. 

 

 

 

If he is no longer a Bill it ended well IMO.

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

But when we want to talk " track record", don't we have to ask questions about what a great track record looks like, and how Beane compares to that?

 

Comparisons to bad ones could be equally instructive.

Tough to quantify though with so many odd little variables, not with just the players but also with destinations and situations, and the inevitable bias that creeps into something we're emotionally attached to.

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Sloppy reporting, given that Keon very explicitly admitted he was LATE to a meeting. He wanted to be vague at first but ended up using that exact word. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Keon is so slow he can't even get to meetings on time

 

But he is separating well at least...... separating himself from his rookie contract 😆

[Beck Water]

28 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

This is not going to be a popular take, but I agree with you that Dion has regressed this season, especially with respect to penalties.  The officials have been calling '73' out a lot more often on false starts and holds than in the past, and they haven't exactly been phantom calls, either.

 

Dawkins had a lot of false starts last season as well.  From 2020 to 2023, 3 or fewer false start penalties per season.

2024 he finished the season with 10 false starts.

 

So while it's clear something is going on, you really can't pin it on "regressed this season".  

Holds not so much.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DawkDi00/penalties if you're interested.

[Goin Breakdown]

They all get penalties. Dion shows up to meetings and practice on time I'd assume. Cant blame a dude for answering a question. Again assuming he was asked and not just giving an unsolicited opinion on Keon. 

[Beck Water]

17 minutes ago, Simon said:

Comparisons to bad ones could be equally instructive.

 

Indeed.  All part of context.

It should be a fair point (or at least it seems to me to be a fair point) that when a player is drafted into a winning team with a good culture, the expectations should be higher - they should have all the building blocks around them to maximize their potential, so looking at the track record of other GMs of winning teams seems like the most fair comparator.

 

As far as Coleman, Ladd McConkey admirers must be going nuts given that in only 4 more games, he has literally more than twice as many catches and yards as Coleman.  On the other hand Worthy admirers really do need to admit that in 2 more games, he has a whole 8 more yards than Coleman has contributed (with 25% more receptions)

 

17 minutes ago, Simon said:

Tough to quantify though with so many odd little variables, not with just the players but also with destinations and situations, and the inevitable bias that creeps into something we're emotionally attached to.

I think the person around here who tries to be the most objective with draft evaluation has been @JGMcD2 who periodically uses pfr's weighted approximate value to evaluate a team's drafting. 

To me where Beane has really fallen short is in his FA acquisitions (and a couple of trades).  He swung for the fences with Von Miller and missed badly.  Amari Cooper last year was a bust given the 3rd we gave for him.  

[Beck Water]

10 hours ago, alg said:

Beane uses premium picks for need. Always. Which means most of the time he's picking the players too high, and passes on higher value players at different positions. He does the exact opposite of the successful Baltimore model in the early rounds.

 

Example: Everyone knew we needed a WR last year. He actually did well by trading down twice. But it wasn't enough to pick the top WR. He must be a certain type. And passed on an obviously more talented McConkey. Elam, same thing. He could not pivot to a different position. These are Beane-driven picks.

 

But something happens on day 3 of the draft. All of a sudden the Bills are picking future starters in the 6th round. I wouldn't be surprised if these picks are driven more by the scouting 'collective' liberated from their board's need-loaded algorithms.

 

There's something to the "premium picks for need" idea, though I do think he looks at talent available in the draft.

 

Statistically as far as players making it, the bottom 3rd of the 1st round is a tricky place.  The "hit rate" as far as getting a good player there - not a star, just a solid guy who can ball - is actually not that much higher than the top of the 2nd round, and overall it's lower than a lot of people think.  Something like 30%.

 

Beane, IMO, definitely has a tendency in the premium rounds, and that tendency is to go after high ceiling/low floor kind of guys.  Guys who have a flaw, that if they can work hard and fill that in, could be great.  The opposite side is if they don't stay humble and realize that getting drafted high doesn't make you an NFL star, they won't put in the effort to fill in their game and they wash.

[Buffalo716]

Hope the light goes on for the kid but he's outside looking in now

 

You either double down on unprofessionalism or he turns a corner and realizes that if he wants a career he needs to focus and work harder 

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No fan of Bean but he can survive the misses because he also has hits in the top 4 rounds.  If Bishop continues to develop and is a fixture at safety for years to come then the potential Coleman bust is offset by the Bishop hit.

 

My complaint about Bean is more about his roster structure and FA acquisitions.  He's part of the decision process that favors the D and didn't see a need to replace Diggs/Davis with an equally productive pair of WR's.  

 

This.

[Kelly to Allen]

When Dion Dawkins said this was his last chance that was extremely eye-opening...

 

I don't think it's completely crazy that he might just be released in a few weeks if things don't turn around. 

 

He's not playing over any of the top five guys and right now... if it was up to me I would have Elijah Moore as active over him for the Thursday night game as wr 6.... 

 

Heck if Hardman is put on temporary ir for emergency depth they might sign another return guy at wr.

 

Idk 

 

There's obviously a lot more going on besides just missing meetings or being late. And with Dawkins comments I wouldn't be completely shocked if he's released. 

 

He ain't playing over Shavers who looked like frickin John Stallworth today lol

Edited 17 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

When Dion Dawkins said this was his last chance that was extremely eye-opening...

 

I just watched Dawkins interview.  That's not what Dion said.

He said "let's just say that this is the last time, and move on".  It seems pretty clear to me that by "last time", Dawkins meant "last time you make that mistake (showing up to meeting late or missing meeting, whatever he did)" not " this is your last chance" 

 

Which I don't believe is something that one player would ever say to another.   For one thing, players don't have "fate control" over each other.

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I just watched Dawkins interview.  That's not what Dion said.

He said "let's just say that this is the last time, and move on".  It seems pretty clear to me that by "last time", Dawkins meant "last time you make that mistake (showing up to meeting late or missing meeting, whatever he did)" not " this is your last chance" 

 

Which I don't believe is something that one player would ever say to another.   For one thing, players don't have "fate control" over each other.

 

Okay. You could be right there. I didn't think of it that way. 

 

I just don't know where he plays right now 

[Buffalo716]

55 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This.

 

His pro personnel acquisitions have been lacking ... There was a time when they hit with Beasley Brown diggs .. All were pro personnel acquisitions 

 

We brought poyer and hyde pro personnel acquisitions...

 

We were bringing in guys who became pro bowl talents in our scheme... That just hasn't been so recently 

 

It doesn't help when back to back third round picks shelfed.. Landon lasted 2 series.. Dwayne Carter done 

 

Both were supposed to be a part of our rotation but are gone for the year... There's only so much you can overcome as a team especially when our front has been decimated

 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Beck Water]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

His pro personnel acquisitions have been lacking ... There was a time when they hit with Beasley Brown diggs .. All were pro personnel acquisitions 

 

We brought poyer and hyde pro personnel acquisitions...

 

We were bringing in guys who became pro bowl talents in our scheme... That just hasn't been so recently 

 

It doesn't help when back to back third round picks shelfed.. Landon lasted 2 series.. Dwayne Carter done 

 

Both were not late round NFL picks who were supposed to be a part of our rotation but are gone for the year

 

Poyer and Hyde were signed before Beane arrived.  He doesn't get credit for signing them.

 

I'm not trying to say Beane hasn't had any good FA signings.  Rapp was a good acquisition even if he does have a proclivity for "friendly fire".  Ty Johnson.  

But let's look again at the statement I was agreeing with...

"My complaint about Bean is more about his roster structure and FA acquisitions.  He's part of the decision process that favors the D and didn't see a need to replace Diggs/Davis with an equally productive pair of WR's."

 

I'll give Beane full credit for Beasley and Brown, though he failed to adequately replace either (Manny Sands was gimped up and Crowder/McKensie was a disaster.  I'll give him credit for Diggs, too, though people who look at Justin Jefferson will give us both the side-eye....and I don't think a GM ought to boast on a guy he eats $30M of dead cap just to get him off the team.

 

The point being made was that Beane favors the D in his drafting AND in his FA acquisitions, and that he failed to adequately replace Diggs and Gabe Davis.

I don't think that last is arguable.  You can argue the first depending on how you slice it. 

 

You're absolutely right that losing Landon Jackson and Dwayne Carter, not to mention Ed Oliver and Michael Hoecht, huge blow to the D.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Poyer and Hyde were signed before Beane arrived.  He doesn't get credit for signing them.

 

I'm not trying to say Beane hasn't had any good FA signings.  Rapp was a good acquisition even if he does have a proclivity for "friendly fire".  Ty Johnson.  

But let's look again at the statement I was agreeing with...

"My complaint about Bean is more about his roster structure and FA acquisitions.  He's part of the decision process that favors the D and didn't see a need to replace Diggs/Davis with an equally productive pair of WR's."

 

I'll give Beane full credit for Beasley and Brown, though he failed to adequately replace either (Manny Sands was gimped up and Crowder/McKensie was a disaster.  I'll give him credit for Diggs, too, though people who look at Justin Jefferson will give us both the side-eye....and I don't think a GM ought to boast on a guy he eats $30M of dead cap just to get him off the team.

 

The point being made was that Beane favors the D in his drafting AND in his FA acquisitions, and that he failed to adequately replace Diggs and Gabe Davis.

I don't think that last is arguable.  You can argue the first depending on how you slice it. 

 

You're absolutely right that losing Landon Jackson and Dwayne Carter, not to mention Ed Oliver and Michael Hoecht, huge blow to the D.

the only thing I’d say to this, and I mostly agree, is that Beane isn’t constructing and drafting guys in a vacuum. McD has a lot of input. Maybe not so much on specific players but at least on team positional needs and direction.

 

I’m not even mad when they put all these pieces into defense. What I’m actually mad about is that it isn’t working out. Either the players suck or if they are good they get injured. That’s what actually makes me mad. 
 

also mad that they have had opportunities to get better receivers but he fails to close the deal and we end up with all mediocre players. Josh needs a stud on the outside. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Scott7975

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

More drama. Yay.

 

Beane & McDermott sure know how to pick em. Glad they decided we didn't need to make a trade before the deadline though. 

 

 

Unless I'm missing something his profile picture has always been black so I wouldn't read too much into it.  What we should focus on is we took him on as somewhat of a project and I don't think he has the maturity or work ethic to ever be anything more than a WR4/practice squad player.