$55m to run 13

[jlgarsh]

They need to run an up tempo offense instead of this ball control BS where if they have a turnover they dont have enough time to mount a comeback. First drive in the 2nd half took up 9 minutes when effectively down 3 scores (since they cant convert a 2 point conversion to save their lives right now). Then they turn it over and suddenly only 21 minutes to make it happen. The defense wasn't great, but made a few stops. But I felt like they'd lose as soon as McDermott chose to punt on 4th and inches. Then Brady compounded the error by calling a deep pass on the next 4th and 1. Just QB sneak it...(and dont go 20 yards then fumble) lol.

[HappyDays]

27 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I agree with you that right now Shakir looks more like just a gadget guy.   I think him being a true slot is almost impossible without threats on the outside and without this O challenging teams on deeper levels. I thought Shakir did really good filling in for Isiah during his rookie year which was a true slot roll, feel he would be really good now if that was his roll but it’s not. 

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

he's also just built wrong

 

winning outside takes elite athleticism and levers

 

shakir just doesn't have all that. hes a pure inside guy and thats fine but hes never going to be a true wideout

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

McDermott might be a defensive minded HC who is now calling the defensive signals but if he wants his team to start winning again he needs to get his head into the offensive scheme besides the run game. Start learning about how that Erhardt-Perkins offensive passing scheme works.

 

It's what the NE Patriots used to win all those Super Bowls and Brady didn't have a star studded receiver corps all those years. In 2014, they had Gronk, Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Shane Vereen. Those last two WHO? Even the leading RB for them in 2014 was Jonas Gray. I mean come on, all this talk of we need better receivers is phooey! 

 

So now all of a sudden it doesn't work...BS!  You know how I know that? Because they are still utilizing the very same scheme and its damn well working for them!!!!!!

Allen and Brady’s game are entirely different. The latter is one of the most accurate and smartest pocket QBs of all time who was absolutely elite at pre snap reads and adjustments. He could make it work with low level guys as long as they had good hands and were in their designated spot. I love Josh, but he’s not as good enough as a pure passer to make up for poor WR talent. i mean this season proves it. 

Edited 2 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[BillytheKid]

Start the chant at the games “Fire Brady” or maybe “Fire McDermott” it seemed to work for Mavs fans. 😀
 

This BS offense they are running for Allen is ridiculous. 

11 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

They need to run an up tempo offense instead of this ball control BS where if they have a turnover they dont have enough time to mount a comeback. First drive in the 2nd half took up 9 minutes when effectively down 3 scores (since they cant convert a 2 point conversion to save their lives right now). Then they turn it over and suddenly only 21 minutes to make it happen. The defense wasn't great, but made a few stops. But I felt like they'd lose as soon as McDermott chose to punt on 4th and inches. Then Brady compounded the error by calling a deep pass on the next 4th and 1. Just QB sneak it...(and dont go 20 yards then fumble) lol.

Every time they run a hurry up offense they move the ball very well or it seems that way. 

[LarryMadman]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

That's what I don't get. For years everyone was saying McDermott has a big say in roster construction. Now when that the roster isn't great it's Beanes fault. 

I fully believe this is the type of team McDermott has always wanted. A run heavy offense that controls the clock and limits turnovers. 

This is exactaly what McD wants and to that good WR are really irrelivant in his vision and only is concerned if they block good, get out of here with that crap. McD will never have the talent he currently has at QB for the rest of his coaching career and he is fumbling it, go away already Sean! 

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

I agree. The bigger question  is as much as Beane has failed to get better WRs, why have they built an offense like this? Very few deep shots and eat clock. 

[frostbitmic]

To get the most out of Josh the team would probably be better off with an Offensive minded HC.

 

Our opponents should be the ones trying to shut down Josh and our Offense, not our coaches.

[BananaB]

54 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

Go back and watch Shakir while Dorsey was calling plays and while Brady was running a system with alot of Dorsey’s plays. He can do a lot more than what Brady is asking him to do now.  Right now everybody is having trouble to find room because we don’t use the whole field, it’s like they are playing in a box, all of them. Look at Allen INT on Sunday, 3 guys all headed to the same area while the middle of the field open. Because the Bills play that short game so much, right now it like playing  from 5 yard line. No one respects them going deep. It’s a cluster ***** to find an open area

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

 

Beasley and Allen were lethal. Miss those days.

[vincec]

4 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That's not even complimentary football, 60:40 split pass to run would still be complimentary depending on how effective it was. To run 50.5% of the time when you have Josh Allen is mind boggling. Most of the NFL is in the low to mid 40%.

They went from Daboll to this. Quite the reactionary response.

[BrooklynBills]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

 

This is also a product of the passing scheme. When Beasley was here, the passing game was very complex for WRs because it was based in the EP scheme and we running a ton of WR option routes, especially with Beasley. When you are heavily running routes based on coverage and requiring both QB and WR to be diagnosing defenses together and being on the same page together, you are naturally getting less identifiable route combos and thus more "schemed open" looks. The Dorsey offense also did this alot but i think began to border on being too complex and less focused, and/or we stopped investing in the types of professional WRs who could effectively run it well. And thats why you saw alot more INTS because guys weren't on the same page enough. I don't see any of that really right now.

 

Now, I'm not saying that we aren't currently making audibles and adjustments based on defensive coverage. But the Daboll offense was heavily based on spread concepts in the passing game (although he wanted to be able to play multiple styles as well). So the WRs and QB were reading the coverage and making adjustments during the play alot of times. Its also why you didn't hear much about the X receiver position as much until they switched schemes because this just naturally allowed for more fluidity.

 

This offense was not perfect and had its own warts and I think it was way too reliant on Allen to make ALL of the plays (not in the idea that he needed to be "superman" but that almost every single play was read for throw or run OR constantly reading the coverage during the play - some offenses do have just easy button reads built in to take the pressure off). There really wasn't anything built in to do alot of the under center runs that we do now. But I think its why we saw so many "easy" completions. Because WRs were running to open spaces and the QB knew were they were going based on defensive leverage during the play. I think the Brady passing concepts are just very simply in comparison and easier to defend.

 

 

[NewEra]

20 hours ago, Brand J said:

He hasn’t been utilized as a superstar QB this season, nor is he consistently playing like one. I’m all for a shakeup offensively. You think the Colts have better pieces on offense than we do? I don’t, yet they’re putting up numbers under Steichen. Get a coordinator in here who excels in the passing game and watch the offense elevate to higher ground.

I do think the colts have better weapons than the bills. More diverse capabilities.  

 

Cook vs Taylor is tough.  Overall at RB, I think we are a push because I think our depth is better.  Cook may actually be the better back, but I’d give the slight edge to Taylor based on his career and the year he’s having. 
 

I loooove me some Kincaid, but Warren is better imo.  He’s a monster.  Our back up TEs are better though.  
 

Pittman, Pierce and Downs each fill their rolls perfectly.  At the X and Slot, I think pittman + downs is about even with Palmer and Shakir, but Pittman has had the best years out of the 4.  Pierce has everything you look for at the Z while Keon offers almost none of it.  A deep threat is exactly what this offense is missing and pierce has it in spades.  I think our WR4-6 are slightly better but might not be.  

 

Having the solid deep threat is the difference.  Having a great Tight End that actually plays in games without getting injured is another factor.  Kincaids always injured and it’s so ******* frustrating  
 

 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

He isn't quick enough off the line or nuanced enough as a route runner to be a full time slot WR. He does his one trick extremely well, possibly better than any WR in the league (when he's fully healthy). You think back to when Beasley was in his prime, Allen would hit the top of his drop and the ball would be out because Beasley was already open. You don't get that with Shakir. Either you get him a manufactured touch with a YAC opportunity or you have to wait for him to work open after the initial read of the play has passed. The fact that he's our best WR is a major condemnation of the job this front office has done.

Top of the drop is a great point.   He hits it now and with the exception of Kincaid nobody is open. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Beasley and Allen were lethal. Miss those days.

Could always count on Josh hitting Beasley on 3rd and short.  They knew it was coming, but it didn’t matter.  
 

all of our hopes rest on Josh Palmers feet.  🙏🏻 and Grape Davis