Is it the receivers or Brady

[Walking Tall]

I’m going with the receivers being the problem by a landslide.

Edited 2 hours ago by Walking Tall

[BananaB]

It’s both. I also think it’s all the substitutions instead of just putting the best guy on the field. To be honest, after Shakir I’m not sure who the best guy is because I have seen very little of the rest. Seems like everybody runs a limited amount of routes. Even Shakir, I know everyone says he’s a great slot guy but his routes are limited as well. Like to see him do more as well. 

[BillsFan130]

It's usually not one thing as it's definitely both.

 

1. The receivers cannot separate 

 

2. Brady also does a poor job scheming guys open.

 

Look no further than the two point conversions. 0/5 now on the season?
 

Joe Brady really can't scheme one play to be successful for 2 yards when Josh Allen is the quarterback?

[Goin Breakdown]

It's Brady

diggs was productive until Brady as was Amari Cooper. Palmer had some success in LA. Curtis Samuel had more success than he has here. If im not mistaken so has Moore. None of these guys were #1 or even 2s but here they just seem so ineffective. It's the scheme. 

[5ths the charm]

We only lost Mack Hollins and Amari Cooper. Neither were world beaters. It has to be scheme. 

[BeastMaster]

Our guys have some limitations, for sure 

 

That being said...there is definitely teams that have schemed lesser players open, and that's without a top Oline, RB, and QB

 

I'm gonna go 75% Brady, 25% player limitations

[DapperCam]

Receivers suck and Brady doesn’t have the ability to overcome it. So I’ll say both.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

It's Brady

diggs was productive until Brady as was Amari Cooper. Palmer had some success in LA. Curtis Samuel had more success than he has here. If im not mistaken so has Moore. None of these guys were #1 or even 2s but here they just seem so ineffective. It's the scheme. 

Ya I used the Diggs reference in 2023 also. He had big numbers until Joe Brady came in.

The receivers aren't good to say the least, but I also question how successful a true #1 WR would be in this offence as I feel like we wouldn't even use him correctly 

[Goin Breakdown]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I used the Diggs reference in 2023 also. He had big numbers until Joe Brady came in.

The receivers aren't good to say the least, but I also question how successful a true #1 WR would be in this offence as I feel like we wouldn't even use him correctly 

That's the part that really bums me out. We could get talent, but the one we trust to put it together would probably still be having Josh throw it behind the LOS. 

[oldmanfan]

I hope someone asks Brady this week about the 4+1 formation that was very successful last year.  That is why I think it’s more on Brady.

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Our guys have some limitations, for sure 

 

That being said...there is definitely teams that have schemed lesser players open, and that's without a top Oline, RB, and QB

 

I'm gonna go 75% Brady, 25% player limitations

This is the right answer. WRs come to this offense to die. Shakir has 4.4 speed and great shiftiness, but you’d never know it because he runs bubble screens seemingly half the time. It’s not an aggressive passing scheme, nor does it utilize rub routes and pick plays. Doesn’t even try to confuse the opposition with motion. Brady is mostly at fault, 75%.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

That's the part that really bums me out. We could get talent, but the one we trust to put it together would probably still be having Josh throw it behind the LOS. 

Yep. Kincaid had like 23 snaps against KC and shavers had like 30. In no world should Tyrell shavers have more playing time than your best pass catcher.

 

Not too mention Hawes and Knox out snapping him also

[Maine-iac]

Not saying the guy is perfect but we came in to this game averaging roughly 30.  Tell me how many points we have in this game if we don't turn the ball over 3 times.  At least 25 to 30 again this week.  If you were Brady where would you try to be throwing the ball?  Honestly so much concern around Brady when most of the problems are fumbles, interceptions, and penalties.  

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Yep. Kincaid had like 23 snaps against KC and shavers had like 30. In no world should Tyrell shavers have more playing time than your best pass catcher.

 

Not too mention Hawes and Knox out snapping him also

Yet here we are scoring almost 30 on the Chiefs.

[JohnNord]

41 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Yeah Im not a Sabres fan, from Pitt so Pens are my team in hockey.  Long story why im a Bills fan.

 

But I'd assume Terry would learn some lessons from the Sabres experiences, as you noted.  At least I'd hope - or thats a much bigger problem in application to the Bills.

 

We shall see - either way, Beane has made good decisions in the past, so Ill be clinging to my optimism if he's still around.  But, I dont think its a smart decision to keep him around into 26+.

No he hasn’t.  You clearly don’t follow the Buffalo closely.  
 

Terry continually brings back the GM that he likes, trusts and  respects despite him being very much unsuccessful over the past five seasons.  
 

meanwhile Beane and McDermott are 100x more successful that Adam has been.  You honestly think Terrybis going to pull the trigger after one less than stellar season?

[khlax3]

It’s Brady but our receivers also aren’t great but they had past production on bad teams.
 

Prior to joining the bills:

 

Curtis Samuel stats (joined bills age 27)

   2023 - 62 catches 613 yards 4 TD

   2022 -  64 catches 656 yards 4 td

 

Elijah Moore stats (joined bills age 25)

   2024- 61 catches 538 yards 1 TD

   2023- 59 catches 640 yards 2 TD 

 

Josh Palmer stats (joined bills age

2024 - 39 catches 584 yards 1 TD

2023 - 38 catches 581 yards 2 TD

2022- 72 catches 769 yards 3 TD 

 

MVS (last year)

2 catches for 17 yards 0 TD with Buffalo 

17 catches for 385 yards 4 TD with NO

 

Shakir before brady

    Averaged 15.9 yards per catch

Shakir after Brady

    Averages 10.5 yards per catch

 

although the receivers are not great it seems that under Brady all wr have either regressed or not developed in Keon’s case. Beane certainly screwed up the wr position but Brady has seemed to have a negative impact on all the wrs 

 

 

[PepeSilvia]

1 hour ago, BuffBills51 said:

Simple question. Is it Brady’s scheme or the receivers that can’t get open? Watching other teams and you see receivers consistently schemed open. Josh has to run around like a chicken with his head cut off to make a play. 

 Neither. It’s a failure on Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott.  
 

which coordinator gets canned next so the blame deflects off of Beane and McD?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

It's mostly the receivers.  They scare no one.  Coleman was a bad pick.  Maybe they could try Hairston at WR.  He can catch and he has elite speed.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Not saying the guy is perfect but we came in to this game averaging roughly 30.  Tell me how many points we have in this game if we don't turn the ball over 3 times.  At least 25 to 30 again this week.  If you were Brady where would you try to be throwing the ball?  Honestly so much concern around Brady when most of the problems are fumbles, interceptions, and penalties.  

Yet here we are scoring almost 30 on the Chiefs.

And here we are scoring 13 against one of the worst defences in football lol.

The bills offence is simple to stop- Stop cook and you stop the bills offence.

The chiefs couldn't do that for some reason, Miami did. And we see how ugly the offence looks when the run game doesn't work

[GoBills!]

It’s Brady, even though times last year the Defense figures out Brady’s playbook and shuts down the moving parts to make it work. 
 

I hope the browns fire Stefansky and we hire him on offense for now then he takes over for Sean after another failed season. 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Allen, Cook, Kincaid and a top 5 O-line should give you a very high floor. 

 

What we saw today vs maybe the 3rd worst defense in the NFL should never happen. I don't care if you have 5 Tyrell Shavers at WR. 

If the bills don’t fumble the ball twice in key moments along with that  redzone interception - we probably make this game a lot more closer.  
 

this team needs to be able to run the ball and control the line of scrimmage.  If those three turnovers resulted in points we are talking very differently about this offense 

 

Brady lacks the right creativity to put Allen in place to execute simple things. That 4th down call in the 1st quarter was terrible and that set the tone