DaVinci Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago The Bills won, they saved 1.75 million in cap money. 2 Quote
mannc Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago The NE Patriots have shown how quickly a franchise can reverse its fortunes if they pick the right QB and the right coach.  They should have been picking first overall in April, and now they have to be viewed as a legitimate Super Bowl contender.   There is no reason the Jets can’t do the same thing.  Even after the trades, I think they have more talent on the roster than NE had last year.  (The players they smartly acquired from Indy and Dallas are not nothing, either, and help fill out the roster.)  For the record, I don’t think Aaron Glenn is anywhere near the coach that Vrabel is, and I’m not sure there is a Drake Maye in this draft, but the Jets have an excellent chance to pick first overall, so they will have the field to themselves.  And if they don’t like this year’s QB crop, they can just amass more talent in 2026 and pick one next year.  They are certainly in a much better position now than the Dolphins. 2 Quote
nosejob Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 12 hours ago, KCNC said: Colts definitely overpaid for Sauce BUT, it's another example of a team like Philly pushing the chips in for winning now. How'd that work for Philly over the last few years? I'd hate to think that Beane's building for long term success is another way of saying, Well we're keeping the money coming in every year getting to the playoffs, so..... Quote
nuklz2594 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago colts just sent a message to Danny dimes. they will not be drafting a QB in 1st round.  Richardson will be history. Quote
RiotAct Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, DaVinci said: The Bills won, they saved 1.75 million in cap money. funny (and sad) thing is, some posters here would probably assert that. Quote
Max Fischer Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago The Jets did very well, but let's not forget that Williams is excellent, and it's a long shot that they will select or sign someone 70% as good. Gardner appears to have regressed somewhat, but he might still be among the top 15%-20% of all cornerbacks, and he'll need to be replaced with a draft pick or a signing.   This is a good trade for picks and clearing salary, but the Jets have a LOT of holes to fill, including QB, and the grade on these moves may not be known for a few years. 1 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Winners: Jets (They got a haul of picks for very good but not great players on big contracts) Eagles (Phillips is a possible difference maker for a defense that needed some pop and all it cost was a 3rd) Bengals (Flacco Deal looms large for them and it was such a relatively cheap deal, their season may not work out but Flacco's giving them a chance) NOLA and Seattle (such a sensible trade between both teams) Â Losers: Colts and Cowboys (Overpaid for very good but not great players on big contracts) Titans and other rebuilding teams that didn't make trades (I think you lose a big opportunity to get better value for players in season)Â 1 Quote
JP51 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 13 hours ago, Willie West said: Arch Manning will be a Jet. I dont hate this.... I am not sold on Arch... would love them to use a top 3 pick on another QB that doesnt work out... 1 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, nosejob said: BUT, it's another example of a team like Philly pushing the chips in for winning now. How'd that work for Philly over the last few years? I'd hate to think that Beane's building for long term success is another way of saying, Well we're keeping the money coming in every year getting to the playoffs, so.....  The thing is I don't see the Colts being a very good corner away from contending. When the Rams made the trade for Von Miller in season people really thought the Rams just needed a second pass rusher to help Donald and get over the hump. I think you make these splashy in season trades when you are really just a piece away. I'm admittedly not as keen on the Colts roster but I think from most fans are saying they aren't really just a corner away from contending. A very good corner like Sauce will help certainly. But I don't get the sense that this was the last big final piece they needed either.  McBeane I think should have added a WR and possibly a back end D-line piece. D-line I can forgive because they only lost two guys longer term there and one in Oliver has a chance to come back. They built depth there and they like what they have. But at WR I can see that being an issue against better defenses and I think they could have likely found a team willing to swap a 3rd for a 5th or 6th for a WR that would help make an impact. But I am also not going to act like the season is over because they didn't do those moves either. 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Winners: Jets (They got a haul of picks for very good but not great players on big contracts) Eagles (Phillips is a possible difference maker for a defense that needed some pop and all it cost was a 3rd) Bengals (Flacco Deal looms large for them and it was such a relatively cheap deal, their season may not work out but Flacco's giving them a chance) NOLA and Seattle (such a sensible trade between both teams)  Losers: Colts and Cowboys (Overpaid for very good but not great players on big contracts) Titans and other rebuilding teams that didn't make trades (I think you lose a big opportunity to get better value for players in season) I don't know that the Bengals can be seen as winners after back-to-back home losses to the NYJ and Bears. I know Flacco played lights out, but they still lost those games and might have lost them with Burrow. And those were the layup games. They are currently 3-6. After their bye, they play @Steelers, Pats, @Baltimore. There is a very real chance that they end that run at 3-9. They should have sold Hendrickson and Higgins for a haul and used those picks to build a functional defense, but Mike Brown is never a seller at the deadline and always ends up losing players for nothing in FA. 2 Quote
Dan Darragh Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago All the draft picks in the world won't solve this problem for the Jets   1 Quote
JP51 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Jets I think what they did makes sense... will it translate have no idea... what it does however is buys Aaron Glenn some security from the 2 or 3 win season they are about to have... look, I saw, observed for part of a year and will begin rebuilding a winner... blah blah blah... folks will buy that and look forward to having all those picks... with dreams of the Cowboys and the Herschel Walker trade lol....  Eagles. got one of the best players in the trade session that will help their team... they didnt get worse...  Colts and Cowboys to me overplayed with draft capital for a year I do not see them in real contention... Indy, I get it... not sold on a worst to SB scenario for them. 2 Quote
TBBills Fan Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago 4 hours ago, H2o said: You have to take into account who will be managing those picks. The Jets waste them the wrong people and end up in the same boat 4-6 years down the line again, with a different coach, and a different failed QB.   Oh I am. And I am happy to say I do have faith in their front offices ability to ***** this up.  But from an assets perspective they did make some good moves so we will see 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 14 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Jets if they use all the picks wisely.  Which history suggests may not happen. Meh what are they gonna do even if they use them wisely and draft great talents….until they have a GM coach and qb it does not matter.  They will just trade them in a few years if they hit on the.  Lol  all they will need to draft a qb is their own first and they will likely swing and miss again anyway Edited 7 hours ago by Matt_In_NH 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: Simple question.  Which team "won" trade deadline day?  I'll allow you to include trades that came in prior to today but during the season as evidence for your "winner"  For me, you gotta give it to the Jets. They aren't going anywhere this year or probably next year and here is what they gave up and now have, including their picks  They have in just the first two rounds of the next two drafts 2026 draft 2 1st round picks 2 2nd round picks 2027 draft 3 1st round picks 1 2nd round pick. 8 top 64 picks the next 2 drafts already  They also got AD Mitchell and Mazzie Smith on cost controlled rookie deals which gives room for growth and time to evaluate  Add in their 3rd round picks that's 10 top 100 picks the next 2 years  They gave up Sauce and Williams. Williams is a beast Sauce is a bit over rated in my opinion.  I don't know about the cap ramifications, but both are on big money deals.  That's a ***** ton of ammo which would give a competent front office a ton of options of how they want to build their team.  The good news for us, the jets aren't competent, and have stockpiled in the past only to find themselves tearing it down again  But from an acquiring assets prospective, the fact they are garbage this year and probably next year means they are gonna have some real valuable ammo to play with  I think 2nd place goes to Seattle, one move that will probably really help given all consideration with little given up  Dallas not surprising made odd decisions  What say you?  Selling like this tells me Douglas (i think hes GM?) thinks he had job security, right?  Do we think he actually does? How they handle this will determine their next 5 - 10+ years... you cant let a guy use half those picks in 2026, and then move on to new GM in 2027  IF YOU LET THIS GM MAKE PICKS IN '26, YOU 1,000% HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH AND LET HIM AT IT AGAIN IN 2027!!!  If youre Jets FO, are you willing to commit to that for 2+ more years. Realistically, atleast 3 more seasons, because you have to see how the 2027 picks turn out (along with '26).  Doing all this gutting of team, then making a GM change, after '26 draft/before 2027 would be the most incompetent Jetsy thing ever!!!  If you were them do you commit to this guy through then, or do you go get a new GM and or possibly (but less likely) HC at the end of this season?  Hope owner thought this through! 1 Quote
Gregg Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: Selling like this tells me Douglas (i think hes GM?) thinks he had job security, right? Â Do we think he actually does? How they handle this will determine their next 5 - 10+ years... you cant let a guy use half those picks in 2026, and then move on to new GM in 2027 Â IF YOU LET THIS GM MAKE PICKS IN '26, YOU 1,000% HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH AND LET HIM AT IT AGAIN IN 2027!!! Â If youre Jets FO, are you willing to commit to that for 2+ more years. Realistically, atleast 3 more seasons, because you have to see how the 2027 picks turn out (along with '26). Â Doing all this gutting of team, then making a GM change, after '26 draft/before 2027 would be the most incompetent Jetsy thing ever!!! Â If you were them do you commit to this guy through then, or do you go get a new GM and or possibly (but less likely) HC at the end of this season? Â Hope owner thought this through! Â Joe Douglas isn't the GM anymore. The Jets GM is Darren Mougey. What this selloff tells me is this current FO of Mougey and Glenn have job security even with this miserable season. We will see how this plays out. They still need a QB, and they have to hit a HR with these picks but for now they have set themselves up nicely for a rebuild with all of this draft capital they now have. 1 1 Quote
TBBills Fan Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago 4 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Selling like this tells me Douglas (i think hes GM?) thinks he had job security, right?  Do we think he actually does? How they handle this will determine their next 5 - 10+ years... you cant let a guy use half those picks in 2026, and then move on to new GM in 2027  IF YOU LET THIS GM MAKE PICKS IN '26, YOU 1,000% HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH AND LET HIM AT IT AGAIN IN 2027!!!  If youre Jets FO, are you willing to commit to that for 2+ more years. Realistically, atleast 3 more seasons, because you have to see how the 2027 picks turn out (along with '26).  Doing all this gutting of team, then making a GM change, after '26 draft/before 2027 would be the most incompetent Jetsy thing ever!!!  If you were them do you commit to this guy through then, or do you go get a new GM and or possibly (but less likely) HC at the end of this season?  Hope owner thought this through! They hired a new guy in January and got rid of Douglas.  I don't know much about him, but this is his baby.  Most of us are breathing easy because the Jets will jets it up in all likelihood. However, we haven't seen the guy made some smart moves, so we will see.  It appears he now has a plan. Not sure why he didn't trade wilson for a haul, but maybe there wasn't a "more than 1 1st" offered by anyone for wilson  They are tanking year one, getting rid of expensive and possibly over paid players and collecting assets to rebuild. It's a smart start, but like we all know, they gotta get it right.   I can see them trading for more 2027 assets with some of those 2026 picks, expect to not be good in 2026 and look to 2027 and beyond  But woody is the owner, so the jets will probably trip over themselves 5 minutes ago, Gregg said:  Joe Douglas isn't the GM anymore. The Jets GM is Darren Mougey. What this selloff tells me is this current FO of Mougey and Glenn have job security even with this miserable season. We will see how this plays out. They still need a QB, and they have to hit a HR with these picks but for now they have set themselves up nicely for a rebuild with all of this draft capital they now have. Yes 1 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, Willie West said: Arch Manning will be a Jet. Maybe in 2027, but 0 chance he comes out this year. There was 0 chance before the season started, and theres even less of a chance with how it's gone so far.  Dude was definitely hurt to start the year, and grinding through, I have no doubt. Shoulder injury it looks like. His play is picking up, but I can't see him going in even first 2 rounds if he comes out now... could slide further than 3rd rd  His plan, from the guidance of Peyton/Eli/Arch Sr/Cooper has been to do it the right way, think long term, and be thorough. That is evident from him redshirting as freshman, and then not transferring last year despite being behind Ewers. He could've started and made a boatload in NIL, and he took the patient long term approach.  He needs more college reps. Period. Also, I could 100% see some Eli type shenanigans when he comes out, and hardball a team like the Jets into not picking him... and I honestly dont blame him.  The jets/browns have had endless #1 overall - top 3 overall QBs taken, and none have worked out... 15 years. No team is that bad at drafting.  The organization has NO CLUE how to properly foster and develop a QB period. We've seen them castoff guys to go on and have success elsewhere. Lord knows how msny others they just ruined, that would've been successful in another organization.  If im a Manning, I am not allowing him to g2 these QB Destruction Factories.  Chicago - no (they might be ok, but 2 years out).  Jets - **** no!  Titans - a softer no, but im trying to avoid it, not with that ownership.  Arizona - avoid at all costs. Horrible/clueless/greedy owner.  Hes going to have to go somewhere bad, but im moving hell on earth, to avoid NYJ & CLE. Hard no's. 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The Jets won and are in offical "tank" mode for the overall 1. Seattle got our WR for a price we could have afforded. Jerry Jones should fire himself this morning. They are not making the playoffs. He's just pretended to do something for optics and pissed away prime picks for what I'm guesing is at best a 7-9-1 record. The Jets moves stocked the team with picks. It looks like ownership and Glenn went into 2025 as a season to assess the team and make whatever changes needed. The Bills doing nothing was a disappointment but maybe the Patriots where an even bigger disappointment? 60 million in cap space and a QB on a rookie deal and no extra help. When and if they hit a slump or a rash of injuries it will bite them in the backside. They could have made things tougher on the Bills by making a few additions and are going to regret it at the end of the season. Pats def could've made a move and I'd be frustrated if I was a fan... however, maybe they realistically know, anything they do this year is icing on the cake.... Â keep your cap in good shape going into next season, all your best picks, and have an easier time making a real run next year. Â Its a bit flawed because this year is so wide open... but they can continue evaluating and really have their pick of the litter at multiple positions next year. Theyre going to be a tough f'n team to deal with, at least until Maye is off his rookie deal!! 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted 1 minute ago Posted 1 minute ago I think we can say Dallas really did themselves right with the Micah trade and came out on top here already.  They traded a one dimensional pass rusher, who at Dallas's peak still wasn't winning with him when they had the #5 defense and #1 offense in the league. They avoided paying him a cap choking $48M (more than most QB's make) per year which would further deteriorate their already not good enough roster due to cap restrictions over time.  What they turned Micah into was a multiple pro bowl DT - Kenny Clark, one of the best DT's in football in his prime Quinnen Williams, an extra 1st round pick, and the cap space to keep Pickens - not to mention more cap flexibility to make more moves.  Micah Parsons vs 1st round pick, 2 Pro Bowl DT's, Pickens, and cap flexibility. I think its pretty hard to argue against the fact that Dallas did pretty well in the Micah trade.  Does it mean Cowboys go on to win a SB, no, they are still the Cowboys and still have other issues. Only one team can win, and they are not that "one" team yet. But, its still a better place for them to be than with Micah and his contract. Meanwhile, Packers are not any better with Micah - and don't really look good enough to likely win their division let alone a Super Bowl. They lost/tied three bad teams in the last 5 games, created a hole at DT, have a $48M cap choking contract restricting their ability to build in FA, and also gave up 2 first round picks reducing their ability to build more talent through the draft.   Its still Dallas, I am sure they still wont be going anywhere, but none the less they are in a better position from trading Micah than they would have been keeping him.  Quote
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