What's wrong with Josh?

[oldmanfan]

3 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Idk, there’s something going on. But how about the fact we have no downfield passing game and we turned one of the most talented gunslingers in nfl history into a game manager while he’s still in his 20s?? Imagine doing that to Favre or elway in their primes 

I agree our passing game needs work, but I would point out Elway won his Lombardis when he was less a gun slinger and had a balanced offense with a strong running game.  And as good as Favre was one could argue his gun slinger habits cost his teams shots at championships at times.

[billsfan_34]

20 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I am sure the coaches see it too. Why is his snap count so high ? Cant be just because the coaches want him to block on run plays. The Keon saga is baffling. 

Been asking myself that very question. I would scratch Keon and bring up Gabe.

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

it's time for some on this forum to admit Josh has been subpar in a lot of these games.

You wouldn’t get that admission from some of these posters if Josh barely passed for 100 yards a game and air mailed footballs to wide open receivers. 

[BillsSbSoon]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

I think Shanahan pretty much made Elway into a game manager and put the team on Terell Davis's shoulder.  

Yeah when elway was at the end of his career. Not when he was in his prime like I said

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I am sure the coaches see it too. Why is his snap count so high ? Cant be just because the coaches want him to block on run plays. The Keon saga is baffling. 

Keon has been reprimanded a couple times.  Keon is the least professional Bills DNA player in the locker room imo.  He’s young, so there’s time for maturity to kick in.   But with all of the love and support and experience and success in the locker room I’m surprised that Keon hasn’t grown up by now.

 

I thought playing time was earned.  Landon will tell you that.  Why does McD reward Keon with playing time when he’s not doing well on or off the field?  And to give Keon the most minutes is confounding.  It has to be for his blocking.

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:21 PM by Pete

[Fan in Chicago]

23 minutes ago, Pete said:

Keon has been reprimanded a couple times.  Keon is the least professional Bills DNA player in the locker room imo.  He’s young, so there’s time for maturity to kick in.   But with all of the love and support and experience and success in the locker room I’m surprised that Keon hasn’t grown up by now.

 

I thought playing time was earned.  Landon will tell you that.  Why does McD reward Keon with playing time when he’s not doing well on or off the field?  And to give Keon the most minutes is confounding.  It has to be for his blocking.

 

Truly confusing about why his snap count is high. It indicates (frustratingly) that Brady is married to running the football while also being schizophrenic by not using Cook enough in the Falcons game. 

We seem to want the O identity of a team lead by P Manning in his final season more than one led by a rocket armed QB. 

And this is where I swiped at you regarding your opinion of our WR. The problem with our O is wider than simply the glaring one of a badly talented group. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:45 PM by Fan in Chicago

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Truly confusing about why his snap count is high. It indicates (frustratingly) that Brady is married to running the football while also being schizophrenic by not using Cook enough in the Falcons game. 

We seem to want the O identity of a team lead by P Manning in his final season more than one led by a rocket armed QB. 

And this is where I swiped at you regarding your opinion of our WR. The problem with our O is wider than simply the glaring one of a badly talented group. 

correct

 

the structure of our offense is not an accident

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Hawes is the replacement for Hollins, and he's an upgrade.

Hollins is a WR with speed. Hawes , go luv him is a blocking TE who can actually catch.

 Would have preferred both

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

correct

 

the structure of our offense is not an accident

I don’t disagree entirely because I do think this is what McD and Brady want, but I think the stress it puts on Josh is magnified with poor pass catchers.

 

There is no scheme that Josh should be running around for 10 seconds without anyone getting open to end up sacked.

 

It looks far to laborious to complete routine passes.

 

4 games with under 20 completions is crazy lol.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, VW82 said:

So...just as a reminder wrt Panthers game...

 

1. Josh was essentially blaming himself in the post game presser for passing game struggles.

2. Bills media guys doing all 22 are pinning a lot of the struggles on Josh.

 

I get everyone wants to blame the receivers, and they definitely deserve blame for what we've seen this year, but it's time for some on this forum to admit Josh has been subpar in a lot of these games. He needs to be better for this team.    

Allen always admits it's his fault and I dispute that Bills media guys are pinning a lot of the struggles on Allen.  Sure Allen could be playing sharper and he has been a part of the passing games problem but I've heard a lot of Bills and National NFL media types repeatedly pointing out that the WR's are not getting open.

 

I would add that over the last 2 games the WR's on 3 separate occasions failed to make NFL level catches along the sidelines that would have converted 3rd down.  Last night you saw 2 Washington WR's make tight toe tapping sideline catches.   

 

 

3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I am sure the coaches see it too. Why is his snap count so high ? Cant be just because the coaches want him to block on run plays. The Keon saga is baffling. 

The only thing that makes sense is that Coleman dominates the Bills DB's in practice.

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I don’t disagree entirely because I do think this is what McD and Brady want, but I think the stress it puts on Josh is magnified with poor pass catchers.

 

There is no scheme that Josh should be running around for 10 seconds without anyone getting open to end up sacked.

 

It looks far to laborious to complete routine passes.

 

4 games with under 20 completions is crazy lol.

it's 100% what they want. there is no other explanation for the last 2 seasons

 

i mean im sure they would like to have better wideouts but they're not a priority, clearly. they've been telling us for two seasons now we want to run the ball and limit turnovers on offense

 

you think 4 games w under 20 completions is crazy lol try this...allen has fewer passing yards than caleb williams, mac jones, cam ward and spencer rattler😂😂

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Brand J said:

You wouldn’t get that admission from some of these posters if Josh barely passed for 100 yards a game and air mailed footballs to wide open receivers. 

I guess we'll see when Allen actually has a game like that.

 

What I wonder is why some of you guys have this weird fetish to throw shade at Allen and demand that we all agree he's been playing like crap?  Sure , Allen hasn't put up the big numbers we're used to the last few games but he's hardly played badly.  The most accurate description is that over the last 3 games Allen has been average. 

 

 

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

 

Some good analysis there.  He's definitely is spooked by the INTs.  He isn't playing with that swag and has no confidence throwing the ball.  He has to snap out of it.  INT's will happen but if you score enough they can be overcome.  Look at Mahomes last night, 2 first half picks and he didn't get down on himself, he got angry and kept throwing.

If he gets intercepted on the deep ball I have less concern than if he is getting picked in Bills territory and giving the enemy the ball on a short field. And I would tell him as much.

Even more so with a lead and momentum !

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I guess we'll see when Allen actually has a game like that.

 

What I wonder is why some of you guys have this weird fetish to throw shade at Allen and demand that we all agree he's been playing like crap?  Sure , Allen hasn't put up the big numbers we're used to the last few games but he's hardly played badly.  The most accurate description is that over the last 3 games Allen has been average. 

 

 

I think there’s a difference between throwing shade at Allen and acknowledging he’s not playing at the level the Bills need if we’re going to go far this year. Right now I’m not overly concerned, but this team will go as far as Josh Allen takes it. Not James Cook, not any other player but Josh. We all want him to be better, but it’s annoying reading posts that go to great lengths to blame everything and everyone else but the QB.
 

Multiple things can be wrong with the passing game, I still think Joe Brady and his passing designs is most at fault followed by Allen. Joe Marino actually has Allen at the top of the list and says “receivers are open throughout the game and I've got the video to prove it,” but for many here Allen is almost without blame entirely. That is a weird fetish, a mother hen type of protection that no other player enjoys. Guess “Bills Mafia” is an apt name 😅 

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

it's 100% what they want. there is no other explanation for the last 2 seasons

 

i mean im sure they would like to have better wideouts but they're not a priority, clearly. they've been telling us for two seasons now we want to run the ball and limit turnovers on offense

 

you think 4 games w under 20 completions is crazy lol try this...allen has fewer passing yards than caleb williams, mac jones, cam ward and spencer rattler😂😂

 

It's also a year to year  league in the NFL 

 

I'm sure if we had pro bowl wide receivers we would be airing it out.. they are making do with what they have , one of the top run blocking lines in the league and an explosive running back 

 

This was the team that was willing to come out of the gates throwing 15 straight times when they had Beasley Brown and diggs.. 

 

They would air the ball out if they had those weapons again

 

I don't believe they're intentionally neutering Josh Allen.. James Cook is more efficient than the passing options rn

 

If we had our passing options from 4-5 years ago, and Devin singletary.. they're not running the rock like this

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:43 PM by Buffalo716

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Keon has been reprimanded a couple times.  Keon is the least professional Bills DNA player in the locker room imo.  He’s young, so there’s time for maturity to kick in.   But with all of the love and support and experience and success in the locker room I’m surprised that Keon hasn’t grown up by now.

 

I thought playing time was earned.  Landon will tell you that.  Why does McD reward Keon with playing time when he’s not doing well on or off the field?  And to give Keon the most minutes is confounding.  It has to be for his blocking.

 

It is a concern.

 I wonder how defenses feel about Keon these days.

Look at the sync between Shakir and Josh. That's the dynamic to exemplify for Coleman.

 Maybe his reps will be cut down till he steps up with his chances.

 

Please trade for an honest to gosh 1a/1b WR Mr. McBeanes before the deadline.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It's also a year to year  league in the NFL 

 

I'm sure if we had pro bowl wide receivers we would be airing it out.. they are making do with what they have , one of the top run blocking lines in the league and an explosive running back 

 

This was the team that was willing to come out of the gates throwing 15 straight times when they had Beasley Brown and diggs.. 

 

They would air the ball out if they had those weapons again

 

I think @GoBills808 point is that they can say “if we had great WRs we’d be chucking bombs all day” but the organization has made it plain as day with their actions that that is not a priority imo.

 

It’s like when the Steelers say they need better QB play but always seek out bandaids and 1 year guys instead of targeting a highly drafted prospect. They are showing you what they prioritize.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It's also a year to year  league in the NFL 

 

I'm sure if we had pro bowl wide receivers we would be airing it out.. they are making do with what they have , one of the top run blocking lines in the league and an explosive running back 

 

This was the team that was willing to come out of the gates throwing 15 straight times when they had Beasley Brown and diggs.. 

 

They would air the ball out if they had those weapons again

 

nonsense

unless you slept thru how we used Diggs under Brady

 

the pass game is not a priority in this offense

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

nonsense

unless you slept thru how we used Diggs under Brady

 

the pass game is not a priority in this offense

Diggs was also going through stuff that last year here... Half of this website was already over him... He was banged up.. and he was dropping balls he used to catch 

 

Diggs on tape did not look like the same guy and there were 10,000 rumblings he was disgruntled

 

Also disappeared in playoff games...

 

Diggs was phenomenal but his last year here especially the last half of the season left a lot to be desired in his own play

 

We had Josh throwing 600 times a year in 2021.. McDermott certainly will be open to it if it's what's moving the ball consistently

Edited Tuesday at 09:50 PM by Buffalo716

[3rdand12]

Everyone has Not been eating last few weeks.

 

 and Yea I might ride Cook when the Oline and he were just unstoppable.

But if Bills are setting up for late season? They need to gain confidence in the pass game