AROUND THE NFL: Oct. 26. (Please limit Bills discussion to the pertinent threads)

[Doc Brown]

I wouldn't mind a Steelers win because it would make it less likely the Ravens somehow getting in the playoffs at 9-8 or something as division winners.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

The AFCN has fallen a long way down from yesteryear. If Pittsburgh loses this game, that division is wide open. 

[Doc Brown]

That was a smart play by Rodgers.

[Watkins90]

That should most definitely be intentional grounding. It shouldn't matter that Warren was in the area; he intentionally grounded the ball, and it was never catchable by the receiver. 

[Sierra Foothills]

How about intentional grounding then?

 

 

[Watkins90]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

That was a smart play by Rodgers.

That's such a bull#### play. Should be a flag for intentional grounding. 

[Process]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I wouldn't mind a Steelers win because it would make it less likely the Ravens somehow getting in the playoffs at 9-8 or something as division winners.

Definitely. Steelers lose tonight and Ravens are suddenly the favorite to win the division again. 

[Brand J]

Intentional grounding needs to be revisited, that clearly wasn’t a pass attempt; it was clearly thrown to the ground to avoid getting sacked. 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Watkins90 said:

That's such a bull#### play. Should be a flag for intentional grounding. 

Rule is receiver in the area and he almost hit his foot.

[Watkins90]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

Rule is receiver in the area and he almost hit his foot.

Yeah, but the ball needs to be "catchable." He literally threw that straight into the ground while in the grasp to avoid a sack, which is the whole point of the intentional grounding penalty. 

[billsfan714]

it is kinda of a stupid rule, was the receiver going to catch that ball with his ass?

[ChrisWatson#21]

How was that NOT intentional grounding?  Boy some franchises just get no respect from the league.  

[Process]

I swear Boswell hasn't missed a kick in 3 years. 

[Richard Noggin]

46 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

A DB looking at the WR is less likely to run into him than a DB looking away from the WR, imo.

It's easier to adjust to somebody else's adjustment when you can see them.

 

Honestly I'd reverse this argument entirely. It's the guys in trail position who are closing on the WR while the (ostensibly underthrown) pass approaches and the WR throttles down to adjust, causing the DB to contact him without playing the ball...

 

Whereas if that same DB turns his head sooner while still sprinting to catch up, he's able to get his hands up (and even leave his feet) to legitimately play the ball in spite of contact. Face-guarding is a penalty if it involves contact while the ball is in the air. Gotta turn your head...OR somehow maintain just enough separation (difficult to do with back shoulders and underthrows) while reading the WR's eyes and arms for when to swat. 

 

34 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I lied. 😄

 

AI Prompt: Are defensive backs taught to look back for the ball or not?

 

Answer:

 

The decision for a defensive back (DB) to look back for the ball depends on their position relative to the receiver and the type of coverage being played. It is not a universal rule to always look back; it's a calculated risk with situational benefits and drawbacks. 

 

When to look for the ball:

 

When in "phase": If the DB is in a good position, often defined as being hip-to-hip or no more than an arm's length from the receiver, they are in a strong position to turn and make a play on the ball. Looking back in this scenario often results in an interception or pass breakup and helps avoid a pass interference penalty.

On deep balls: On deep passes where a DB is running stride-for-stride with a receiver, turning to locate the ball is necessary to make a play. Coaches conduct "blind ball drills" where a DB practices turning their head late to track the ball and intercept it.

 

When not to look for the ball:

 

When out of "phase": If the DB is not in a good position, for example, a step or two behind the receiver, turning their head could cause them to lose speed and allow the receiver to gain more separation. In this situation, the DB is often taught to "play the receiver's hands" and try to swat the ball away only once the receiver's hands go up to make the catch.

Reacting to a fake: Experienced receivers will often use head or shoulder fakes to trick DBs into turning early. If a DB turns to look for the ball before it is thrown, a receiver can use that opening to change direction and create easy separation.

To avoid penalties: Playing through the receiver's hands without looking back can be a risky technique that invites pass interference penalties, as referees often penalize contact if the defender is not "playing the ball".

 

Sierra Foothill take: Maybe these techniques are not universal across all coaching and that different teams/coaches have different philosophies?

 

 

Please don't use this thirsty plagiarism machine. It just amalgamizes so many online posts by people who do AND don't know what they're talking about. Plus it drains a Finger Lake in doing so. Let's talk to one another without bringing venture capital-forced products into this. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Richard Noggin

[muppy]

third 50 yard field goal of the game. wow. that's clutch. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

Definitely. Steelers lose tonight and Ravens are suddenly the favorite to win the division again. 

Yup. Go Steelers.  Ravens only real shot looks like the Division. 

[Richard Noggin]

Tom Brady used to turf the ball without ANY effort to make it look catchable or valid, so long as some RB or TE was within 5 yards. He was shameless about it. 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said:

Please don't use this thirsty plagiarism machine. It just amalgamizes so many online posts by people who do AND don't know what they're talking about. Plus it drains a Finger Lake in doing so. Let's talk to one another without brining venture capital-forced products into this. 

 

I understand and appreciate your take.

 

When I have a moment I'll pm you on the discussion.

 

[zow2]

This Boswell is so elite year after year.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

51 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

That is a big man DK..

Thanks for noticing.