Would you want to see Josh play hardball with the organization?

[Never NEVER Give-up]

We should bring back Marchibroda!  Then, all we'd need are a speedster and 2 HOF Receivers and the offense would be all better!

[DapperCam]

Allen isn’t a GM, and I’m not sure he would be the best person to make these decisions, so I voted no. He was the one pushing super hard for Dorsey, and we all saw how that worked out.

[Dillenger4]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Hardball means they both go.

 

Add one quality receiver and a coach who can use who we have and scheme them open and our O is plenty good enough with a competent D.

 

D roster on the other hand, we need:

CB

2 Safeties

2 LBs 

and that is at minimum 

 

There clearly needs to be a “ rebuilding “ year which is why it should have been at the beginning of last season before we let Beane shackle the team with some of these contracts. 

 

Just read this after basically writing this😁

Yeah - I agree with you.

I do remember people saying last year the "Next year is the year for the SB". Then we had a "lucky" good season last year.

This season seems like we are worse off. The team feels tired, slow, older. It's not a good feeling.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No washed up retreads. The answer is you have a zillion options that could accomplish what they have. The point is, it doesn’t matter if it is Stefanski or Flores or Klint Kubiak or whomever. The floor doesn’t move much (assuming healthy Josh) but maybe the ceiling does.

 

My guy at this point is Curt Cignetti. He’s older than I’d like but just wins. He has that swagger/confidence that I’m looking for in the next coach. The Bills have lost their edge. Cignetti’s teams never lose their edge.

Cignetti definitely knows how to win.  Pretty sure if he were to leave Indiana after this season though, it’d be to take the Penn St gig.

[bmur66]

JA is the most influential Bill as he is the franchise. I am sure if he was unhappy with the coaching staff and didn't think they were going the right direction, TP would seriously listen to him.

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m a yes. That probably has to be an off-season thing though depending on how major the changes are. I’d like to see him start pushing for a WR now and end this everybody eats nonsense. In the offseason, if the year ends like every other, he can push further. There is no benefit to status quo. Josh is the only person in the organization with the leverage and power to make change (besides Terry). 

Completely agree...Josh has been the polite, patient team player long enough. The fact that this organization (McB) blatantly ignores helping him find weapons is all the more reason he should be infuriated.  We have one of the worst defenses and WR rooms in the NFL. And this ridiculous and unsustainable narrative that Superman is supposed to rise above all this negligence is embarrassing. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Isn’t it kind of the same thing? Only 2 people can make change here, Josh and Terry. Beane or McDermott couldn’t go to Terry and say, “we should trade Josh.” Josh, however, could go to Terry and say, “time to dump these guys.” Ultimately Terry has to pull the trigger but Josh has pretty much equivalent power in a lot of ways.
 

It’s like LeBron at this point. It doesn’t mean that he will always be right but he absolutely has the power to make major change. 

Yup, Magic got fed up with Westhead and his "slow down" offense and Buss correctly fired him. And it ended up being the perfect decision. There's more going on right now then the effects of a possible mild concussion. I think Beane is the one experiencing a mild concussion based on his reluctance to aggressively search for a WR1. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Can you take any GM and have the 8 year run the Bills have had?  The overwhelming issue right now is talent and injuries, not coaching.

I think so. With the exception of Josh, we have struggled mightily in the personnel department. That’s especially true since Schoen left. We have been a disaster in the first few rounds. The FA guys look to be just guys (or worse) and that’s been the case for a few years. The extensions this year look bad too except for Cook. Paying Bernard and Rousseau specifically feels like a mistake. They are role players. You replace role players with cheaper role players. Benford hasn’t played great this year but earned that contract. He has played at a high level. Cook is a star player. To answer the question, yes, I believe most competent personnel people could have built a roster as good as this one around Josh.
 

I lump the whole regime together. I think it’s not this OR that. It is this AND that. 

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

if he wants to finds a receiver, he'll have to get rid of the GM as well...

I don’t trust Beane to find that guy either. There are some names floated out there that would be upgrades. I’m not sure any transforms the team but each would improve it. I’d like to think he is capable of adding a guy like that.

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think so. With the exception of Josh, we have struggled mightily in the personnel department. That’s especially true since Schoen left. We have been a disaster in the first few rounds. The FA guys look to be just guys (or worse) and that’s been the case for a few years. The extensions this year look bad too except for Cook. Paying Bernard and Rousseau specifically feels like a mistake. They are role players. You replace role players with cheaper role players. Benford hasn’t played great this year but earned that contract. He has played at a high level. Cook is a star player. To answer the question, yes, I believe most competent personnel people could have built a roster as good as this one around Josh.
 

I lump the whole regime together. I think it’s not this OR that. It is this AND that. 

I don’t trust Beane to find that guy either. There are some names floated out there that would be upgrades. I’m not sure any transforms the team but each would improve it. I’d like to think he is capable of adding a guy like that.

 

only if Josh identified that WR for him first!

 

Beane's WR blind spot is most of his field of vision

Edited 4 hours ago by Mr. WEO

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Would they?  Take Josh out of the equation and look at the roster.  Better yet, compare it to the 2022 team.  That team had an elite #1 WR in Diggs (1426 yards and 11 TDs) and the much-maligned Gabe Davis (836 yards and 7 TDs) to go with Singletary, Moss, and Cook at RB.  Defensively, it had Von Miller, 27 year old Tre White, Hyde, Poyer, and Edmunds as well as Benford, Rousseau, Oliver, and prime Milano. 

 

That team got crushed by injuries, but the roster was light years ahead of where it is today.  Part of that is simply years of drafting at the end of the rounds catching up with Beane, but that doesn’t account for all of it.  Dalton Kincaid may be the only addition of note since then, and even he’s been more potential than production.  

 

From where I sit, McDermott is taking a beating for not spinning straw into gold.  Meanwhile, Beane has had what appears to be 3 consecutive lackluster drafts and a revolving door of free agent disappointments (Hardy, Sherfield, Samuel, Palmer, Hoecht, Ogunjobi, Bosa etc.). Heck, one season of Mack Hollins might be his crown jewel of the past 3 seasons so far.  What should Sean realistically be expected to do when the offense has 1 weapon and you’re forced to run guys like Cole Bishop and the corpse of Tre White out there on defense?

To be clear, I’m lumping McDermott and Beane together. I think that the team lacks talent. That’s the part that Beane owns. I also think that 4-2, with that schedule is about as bad as they could be. They’ve played significantly worse than that. They have played 1 half of football this season to their standard, the 1st half vs. the Jets. That’s the part McDermott owns. 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Successful coordinators can be much worse than McD as a head coach and it’s certainly possible that our team is worse than it is now with one of them….. or proven competent coaches.  
 

 

Maybe. That’s where we disagree I guess. What is the absolute worst that you think this team could be with a healthy Josh Allen and this schedule? For me, it’s 10-7 with a WC. I’ve lowered it from the start of the year after watching how out of sync they look. I’m not worried about a coordinator that I haven’t seen succeed or fail because I’m betting on a WC and 10 wins as the floor. 

[muppy]

The opinion of Josh Allen holds great sway within the organization. being their marquise player .

 

If behind the scenes he made it known he was unhappy or wished changes I am sure his input would be listened to and much  weight given  his opinion.

 

If that is he playing hardball then yes he  could rock the boat pretty hard if he wanted to. PRIVATELY

 

how much weight should his opinions be given? MUCH. he is not only a great athlete but he is Smart. 

 

The smartest guy in the room? That is open to debate I guess

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

I wouldn’t be remotely worried about Cignetti’s age in his 60’s. This is a win now franchise, and I don’t care if the head coach is here in ten years if he has more to offer right now. 

Totally reasonable. That would be my biggest hesitation but it’s not like he is 74. He could be here for the rest of Josh.

49 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Cignetti definitely knows how to win.  Pretty sure if he were to leave Indiana after this season though, it’d be to take the Penn St gig.

That’s probably right. It feels like such a perfect fit for both sides. As an Ohio State fan I do not want him there.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Can you take any GM and have the 8 year run the Bills have had?  The overwhelming issue right now is talent and injuries, not coaching.

Who's responsible for the talent on the roster?

 

I'll hang up and listen 

[Jauronimo]

11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Who's responsible for the talent on the roster?

 

I'll hang up and listen 

The General Manager.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

The General Manager.

And the head coach. And they both are AVERAGE at best at it.

 

Truly, I think this team needs a revamp of all of the following:

 

Coaching 

Scouting 

Pro player scouting 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

From where I sit, McDermott is taking a beating for not spinning straw into gold.  Meanwhile, Beane has had what appears to be 3 consecutive lackluster drafts and a revolving door of free agent disappointments (Hardy, Sherfield, Samuel, Palmer, Hoecht, Ogunjobi, Bosa etc.). Heck, one season of Mack Hollins might be his crown jewel of the past 3 seasons so far.  What should Sean realistically be expected to do when the offense has 1 weapon and you’re forced to run guys like Cole Bishop and the corpse of Tre White out there on defense?

 

Have players line up in formation correctly.

Have players line up onsides.

Have players remember how to tackle.

Have game plans that play to strengths of our team and the weaknesses of the opponents.

Have schemes that arent outdated and figured out.

Have the team show up like they actually care and arent zombies going through the motions.

 

Really just the basics of coaching, and he isnt even doing that.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

Ogunjobi?? Don't count on it. He's a JAG rotational player.

Hoecht? Maybe. Hopefully.

Max? Again... who knows.

We have serious trouble at LB and Safety and CB.

DJ is now hurt "week-to-week".

We are old.

But, hope is eternal.

I've seen this movie before. Even if we get back some of these injured/suspended players, there's no way they don’t get injured again. I just have no faith in this group of players sustaining any longevity of health leading into the playoffs. 

[DrDawkinstein]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Totally reasonable. That would be my biggest hesitation but it’s not like he is 74. He could be here for the rest of Josh.

That’s probably right. It feels like such a perfect fit for both sides. As an Ohio State fan I do not want him there.

 

Would Pegula be willing to steal him from his precious Penn St?

Is Cignetti not Marrone 2.0?

 

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

you made your point. Im NOT in agreement that #17 would ever "play hardball with Buffalo" to the extent he would want to leave Buffalo to chase a Lombardi elsewhere.  Or leave for money either

 

 

Period. I just don't buy it. Not him. jmo

 

I never said he would play hard ball, nor do I condone he do so.  I voted NO. 

 

My statement is if he decides to roll out at the end of his contract, I wouldn't be mad. 🤷

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I voted yes. He's the only person in the building who could convince the absentee landlord owner to make a change.