Plausible X/#1 receiver trade candidates — are there any?

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, T.E. said:

I have serious doubts that this coaching staff could even utilize a top-tier receiver correctly, if we had one.

 

 

How would we know? BC Brady inherited an over the top checked out, mental midget version of Diggs?  Then inherited a trash WR core otherwise?

 

Brady has pissed me off plenty, but we need a WR this year and following years anyways, lets at least see what Brady can do with a #1, not a cast of #3's.  If he cant make it work, than our new OC(staff?) will have a WR.  I'm going all in for Jordan Addison, he'd have 2 years after this.  Call them up and ask them what they want, name your price.

 

We saw what an old, half retired Cooper did for us just with his reputation/presence.  Lets get a young stud in here that wants to win and wants to show he's a #1.  Give Josh some help.  The only way were winning anything is on Josh's talent.... so wasting resources on the defense is not viable, and has shown its not.

 

Help the guy who can make it happen.  Hell, go win a SB and then see what type of HC you can hire.  You think nobody would be lining up for that job?!?

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know what Jeudy’s contract looks like but he is coming off a year where he had 90 for 1,229 with bad QB play. That would be a top 10 or 11 receiving season in Bills history. 

 

The Browns would have to eat 9 million dollars in salary over 3 years.  His stats are fine, but those numbers come from a ton of targets.  Hes a skilled player, but he has below average hands.    He may be better than Coleman, but you have to call on Olave first. 

Edited 4 hours ago by thenorthremembers

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Any trade should include Coleman, that should entice any team!😀

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, QCity said:

 

You're probably right but at what cost? My point is WR shopping in October is ridiculously expensive. We threw a 3rd at Cooper for 20 catches and 300 yds.

If we get a sure fire dude I dont care.  How much money have we wasted chasing half measures.  We pick late too.  Drafting one is expensive, and nobody wants to move down that far.... and thats based on potential.  Stop being cheap, go pay the going rate for a true #1, and then guess what.... you can be done with it. The opportunity loss cost has been high enough, with no end in sight. You get what you pay for

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

How would we know? BC Brady inherited an over the top checked out, mental midget version of Diggs?  Then inherited a trash WR core otherwise?

 

Brady has pissed me off plenty, but we need a WR this year and following years anyways, lets at least see what Brady can do with a #1, not a cast of #3's.  If he cant make it work, than our new OC(staff?) will have a WR.  I'm going all in for Jordan Addison, he'd have 2 years after this.  Call them up and ask them what they want, name your price.

 

We saw what an old, half retired Cooper did for us just with his reputation/presence.  Lets get a young stud in here that wants to win and wants to show he's a #1.  Give Josh some help.  The only way were winning anything is on Josh's talent.... so wasting resources on the defense is not viable, and has shown its not.

 

Help the guy who can make it happen.  Hell, go win a SB and then see what type of HC you can hire.  You think nobody would be lining up for that job?!?

Why would minnesota trade Addison though?  That seems like a zero percent chance of happening unless he gets another dwi.

[Blackbeard]

26 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Maybe instead of signing mediocore players to ten or fifteen or twenty million dollar a year contracts, our GM should have been looking to sign actual difference makers instead, and filled out the roster with what money was left.  Not one guy signed this offseason will make a noticeable difference for the Bills in all likelihood.  Would have been nice to even have even one guy added to the roster who moved the needle.  Up against the cap every year, but with only two real difference makers on the 53 man roster.  Crazy.  

Trying not to rob Peter to pay Paul.  

 

 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

If we get a sure fire dude I dont care.  How much money have we wasted chasing half measures.  We pick late too.  Drafting one is expensive, and nobody wants to move down that far.... and thats based on potential.  Stop being cheap, go pay the going rate for a true #1, and then guess what.... you can be done with it. The opportunity loss cost has been high enough, with no end in sight. You get what you pay for

if we don't take shots we won't make one. that isn't to say we should keep throwing money and contracts at guys with 3rd tier ability but we need to shoot real shots.

 

people thinking Palmer was due for a big night is silly. i looked - he was projected by sports books to not even get 20 yards.

 

where we messed up was drafting Kincaid. he's going to be like what we saw last night with Kyle Pitts. a guy not good enough at catching to be a WR so they call him a TE and hope he is covered by linebackers or forgotten. kincaid will be valuable for us because he's the tallest guy in a shallow pool but he wasn't where we needed to have focused and it's worse now with jackson hawes showing potential. we had knox who had shown up.

in order to fix the kincaid problem we went into the draft to grab a WR....and ended up moving down to get a wildly overrated Coleman without speed or elite tools to be a #1 at any point in his projection. a #2 or #3 and maybe just a big slot guy.

 

i can't say who we should have drafted but we made a mistake drafting kincaid and coleman. even if Kincaid turns out to be a HOF'er he was the wrong pick for us. (and he will only get to be a HOF if we get a top WR beside him).

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

The Browns would have to eat 9 million dollars in salary over 3 years.  His stats are fine, but those numbers come from a ton of targets.  Hes a skilled player, but he has below average hands.    He may be better than Coleman, but you have to call on Olave first. 

I’d prefer Olave too. He just fits perfectly into what we need. 

 

Jeudy has certainly had some drop issues but generally I don’t worry too much about that. He had 145 targets last year and 10 drops. He dropped 6.9% of the passes thrown his way. If the Bills threw him the ball 100 times over the last 11 games, and he had 6 or 7 drops, I wouldn’t really worry. That holds especially true as you ar looking at 58 catches to those 6 drops and roughly 800 yards. He would do in 11 games what the best of the Bills WRs do in a season. 
 

I am not advocating for Jeudy but if we are talking about Jeudy vs. guys that we have, it’s Jeudy in a landslide. There are so many guys that would be an upgrade. That’s less about those guys than it is about how bad the current group is.

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’d prefer Olave too. He just fits perfectly into what we need. 

 

Jeudy has certainly had some drop issues but generally I don’t worry too much about that. He had 145 targets last year and 10 drops. He dropped 6.9% of the passes thrown his way. If the Bills threw him the ball 100 times over the last 11 games, and he had 6 or 7 drops, I wouldn’t really worry. That holds especially true as you ar looking at 58 catches to those 6 drops and roughly 800 yards. He would do in 11 games what the best of the Bills WRs do in a season. 
 

I am not advocating for Jeudy but if we are talking about Jeudy vs. guys that we have, it’s Jeudy in a landslide. There are so many guys that would be an upgrade. That’s less about those guys than it is about how bad the current group is.

Completely agree with you.   I'd take Jeudy over Keon in a heart beat.

[Buffalo4Life01]

What does Buffalo do if Palmer is out 4-6 weeks with a high ankle sprain.  All of a sudden our glaring need for more talent at WR, especially on the boundary, is magnified. 

[BillsShredder83]

48 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Based on the team and corresponding player, Olave would be just what the doctor ordered for Josh. And yes it will cost us a 1st and 4th.

If were spending that, we can get much better prospects without glaring flaws than Olave. 1st and 3rd probably gets you Addison, with 2 FULL years signed left, his hit for this year would be a hair under $2M.  DJ Moore is 1st & 3rd territory as well, unsure of the contract though.

 

The "Coleman and a 5th" guys are delusional.... but I think he has some value.  

 

Coleman + 2nd and 3rd / Coleman + 1st + 5th , type deal also gets it done, and keeps a GM from getting killed by the media/fans.  Im fully expecting a big WR, id be shocked if we dont

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know what Jeudy’s contract looks like but he is coming off a year where he had 90 for 1,229 with bad QB play. That would be a top 10 or 11 receiving season in Bills history. 

 

I wanted to trade for Jeudy back when the Browns did, so yeah I would still take him. I'm not convinced he is enough though. He's more a very good #2 and what we need is a legit #1 IMO.

 

It sucks but DK Metcalf was the easy answer to this question. He is the prototypical WR this offense needs. A legit #1 that can separate outside and downfield. We took his draft pick and money and spent it on TJ Sanders, Rousseau, and Bernard. Does anyone still think that was the right use of resources? One star > two good players.

 

Olave is the only realistic option that gives our offense what it needs. I'm not going to pretend he's better than he is. He has a smaller frame, injury concerns, and not great hands. He is a lower end #1 but he IS a #1 and that's good enough for me. Allen just needs someone he can trust on critical downs to get open outside, and defenses won't be able to sell out as much if they have to worry about that threat.

[Bruffalo]

24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’d say try and get Olave AND Ridley. Just go for it 

Dream Scenario is AJ Brown obviously. If the cap is an issue you might have to try and matchup a big money Dlineman in the deal. Greg or Even Ed Oliver. It sucks to take away from an already weak unit but god knows we aren’t doing anything with them 

Or Jeudy. Get any combination of two of those and watch the offense explode.  

[harryS]

Is it even possible for Beane to go out and get a big WR upgrade at this point?  I know it's physically possible but is it swallow-your-pride possible?

 

That's why we don't need GMs or coaches going on sports radio to argue with the hosts, lol.  Once you've done that and it's recorded for the rest of time, the memory of having done that can affect your decision-making down the line.  Beane probably even realizes he's wrong at this point, but pride weighs down his ability to do anything about it.

Edited 3 hours ago by harryS

[Success]

I have a hunch we'll end up w/ Meyers.  Olave would be the needle-mover, but it just seems like Meyers is the kind of guy Beane would target instead. 

 

It's a whelming move if we do it, but Meyers can play & any addition helps at this point. Olave would put us right back in the driver's seat for the 1 seed.

 

[BillsShredder83]

14 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Why would minnesota trade Addison though?  That seems like a zero percent chance of happening unless he gets another dwi.

They cant afford to pay him and JJ, was already rumored last year.  See Cinci w/ Higgins and Chase this year.  Also, he seems to have pissed off the staff. 

7 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

What does Buffalo do if Palmer is out 4-6 weeks with a high ankle sprain.  All of a sudden our glaring need for more talent at WR, especially on the boundary, is magnified. 

ight be a blessing in disguise.  Force their damn hand

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

They cant afford to pay him and JJ, was already rumored last year.  See Cinci w/ Higgins and Chase this year.  Also, he seems to have pissed off the staff. 

Where did you read that?  Seems like there is no rush to pay him either.  They have two more years.  

 

The one guy the bills could fit on their roster is AJ Brown because of the weird way his money is structured but I don't see that happening.  It will be funny if he goes to New England.  Funny in the bad way.

[BillsShredder83]

5 minutes ago, harryS said:

Is it even possible for Beane to go out and get a big WR upgrade at this point?  I know it's physically possible but is it swallow-your-pride possible?

 

That's why we don't need GMs or coaches going on sports radio to argue with the hosts, lol.  Once you've done that and it's recorded for the rest of time, the memory of having done that can affect your decision-making down the line.  Beane probably even realizes he's wrong at this point, but pride weighs down his ability to do anything about it.

Better than getting fired!
Better than getting laughed at after ANOTHER 2nd Rd Exit

Better than the narrative of "this guy thought Keon was a #1" following you around during interviews with new teams

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

10 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Or Jeudy. Get any combination of two of those and watch the offense explode.  

Juedy strikes me as a guy that this team would just instantly rule out. But yeah I guess. I’m not expecting him to be an option 

[Bruffalo]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Juedy strikes me as a guy that this team would just instantly rule out. But yeah I guess. I’m not expecting him to be an option 

 

I would hope that nobody would be ruled out at this time because of their personality. They need playmakers and they don't have the luxury of being picky.