Is Joe Brady the main issue on offense?

[Richard Noggin]

21 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You're right but a variety of people who know more about football (Cosell, Romo, Orlovsky, etc.) than I do have mentioned that our passing concepts are rather simple and/or unimaginative.  

 

Andre Reed said their passing concepts back in the 90s were "vanilla" because they had the talent to make simple concepts work.  Brady doesn't have the luxury of talented wideouts.  So he should be working overtime to figure out how to scheme guys open. 

 

And doesn't it strike you as odd that pretty much every receiver sees their production go down when they start playing for Brady (Diggs, Palmer, Samuel, Moore, etc.)?

 

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.  But not Brady, he made durian juice.  

 

 

 

Also, the repetitive/pared-down playbook of the Kelly Bills offense was much more vertical and aggressive in nature, so it put more strain on defenders. Like, even if Brady's mesh routes actually work and Allen has the time to wait for them, they're still semi-horizontal routes that don't exactly put safeties in conflict. Allen's arm should be firing lasers downfield on seam and boundary 9s and posts and flags and skinnies and the like...not just crossers and swings and screens and contested fades. Threaten defenses through the air while also slashing them on the ground. Add in mucho motion and play action and let's effing go. 

[newcam2012]

I think Brady overly focused on the run game at the expense of the pass game. Of course, running the ball is very important to an offense. However, in modern day football passing the ball effectively and down field are likely the better paths to victory. Neither can be one dimensional as defenses will adjust. Brady just has not been able to get his WRs involved. Moore, Samuel, Shavers, Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, etc...i know some of it falls on the WR talent or lack of. Injuries too. Seems like Brady doesn't know how to scheme WRs open. He calls the same plays over and over. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure seems like it. He lacks creativity, setting up plays, and is predictable. It doesn't help that besides Cook the offense doesn't really have anyone that can scare or threaten a defense. 

 

Lastly, Allen seems to be a little off. He's certainly not as elusive. He's getting tackled and sacked more than I can remember. Not sure if he's lost a step or if defenses have found some kind of formula to apprehend him. 

 

Whatever the reason; it's clear to me Brady has to go. He doesn't have it! There's no way he can be the OC next year. I'd say the same for Babich. McD has to get experienced quality coordinators on both sides of the ball. The hiring within seems to falling willfully short. 

 

Go Bills

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by newcam2012

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I think Brady overly focused on the run game at the expense of the pass game. Of course, running the ball is very important to an offense. However, in modern day football passing the ball effectively and down field are likely the better paths to victory. Neither can be one dimensional as defenses will adjust. Brady just has not been able to get his WRs involved. Moore, Samuel, Shavers, Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, etc...i know some of it falls on the WR talent or lack of. Injuries too. Seems like Brady doesn't know how to scheme WRs open. He calls the same plays over and over. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure seems like it. He lacks creativity, setting up plays, and is predictable. It doesn't help that besides Cook the offense doesn't really have anyone that can scare or threaten a defense. 

 

Lastly, Allen seems to be a little off. He's certainly not as elusive. He's getting tackled and sacked more than I can remember. Not sure if he's lost a step or if defenses have found some kind of formula to apprehend him. 

 

Whatever the reason; it's clear to me Brady has to go. He doesn't have it! There's no way he can be the OC next year. I'd say the same for Babich. McD has to get experienced quality coordinators on both sides of the ball. The hiring within seems to falling willfully short. 

 

Go Bills

 

 

Josh has definitely lost some of his explosiveness

 

I was watching his highlights from his first few seasons and he was pretty electric when he left the pocket. Now he's just elusive.

 

I think we all knew that Josh's style of play wasn't sustainable long term which is why he has worked and become a good passer

 

I long for that electric version of Josh still at times, but he's still one of the most deadly and fun to watch players ever

[Freak-O]

I don’t know if Brady is the problem, I’m much too ignorant about the intricacies of football to make such a judgement, but what I do know is that his offense bores me quite often and I wouldn’t miss him if he left. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think Brady overly focused on the run game at the expense of the pass game. Of course, running the ball is very important to an offense. However, in modern day football passing the ball effectively and down field are likely the better paths to victory. Neither can be one dimensional as defenses will adjust. Brady just has not been able to get his WRs involved. Moore, Samuel, Shavers, Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, etc...i know some of it falls on the WR talent or lack of. Injuries too. Seems like Brady doesn't know how to scheme WRs open. He calls the same plays over and over. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure seems like it. He lacks creativity, setting up plays, and is predictable. It doesn't help that besides Cook the offense doesn't really have anyone that can scare or threaten a defense. 

 

Lastly, Allen seems to be a little off. He's certainly not as elusive. He's getting tackled and sacked more than I can remember. Not sure if he's lost a step or if defenses have found some kind of formula to apprehend him. 

 

Whatever the reason; it's clear to me Brady has to go. He doesn't have it! There's no way he can be the OC next year. I'd say the same for Babich. McD has to get experienced quality coordinators on both sides of the ball. The hiring within seems to falling willfully short. 

 

Go Bills

 

 

I have a theory that Joe Brady falls in a rather unique coaching paradox. Both paths I see result in him not being here next season. 

 

The first option is things remain the same the rest of this season and possibly playoffs. We make an early exit and he is replaced in the off season. 

 

The second option is he gets things fixed. The Bills hit the playoffs red hot on offense and go deep in the playoffs. He would then likely be a hot commodity as a HC and likely cash in.

 

The line between genius and madness is often razor thin. 

1 hour ago, Freak-O said:

I don’t know if Brady is the problem, I’m much too ignorant about the intricacies of football to make such a judgement, but what I do know is that his offense bores me quite often and I wouldn’t miss him if he left. 

We may not know if he is the problem. But the more prudent question to ask may be...is he the solution? If not, we need to move on. 

Edited 3 hours ago by BuffaloBillyG

[RunTheBall]

When multiple opposing players state after a game that they knew exactly what was coming, that’s a problem with the OC.

 

When an opposing coach admits he was shocked at the lack of protection given our QB, that’s a problem with the OC.

 

When an older WR comes off an ACL and has a phenomenal year and we couldn’t or wouldn’t get him involved while he was healthy, thats a problem with the OC.

 

There’s a pattern here.

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think Brady overly focused on the run game at the expense of the pass game. Of course, running the ball is very important to an offense. However, in modern day football passing the ball effectively and down field are likely the better paths to victory. Neither can be one dimensional as defenses will adjust. Brady just has not been able to get his WRs involved. Moore, Samuel, Shavers, Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, etc...i know some of it falls on the WR talent or lack of. Injuries too. Seems like Brady doesn't know how to scheme WRs open. He calls the same plays over and over. Maybe I'm wrong but it sure seems like it. He lacks creativity, setting up plays, and is predictable. It doesn't help that besides Cook the offense doesn't really have anyone that can scare or threaten a defense. 

 

Lastly, Allen seems to be a little off. He's certainly not as elusive. He's getting tackled and sacked more than I can remember. Not sure if he's lost a step or if defenses have found some kind of formula to apprehend him. 

 

Whatever the reason; it's clear to me Brady has to go. He doesn't have it! There's no way he can be the OC next year. I'd say the same for Babich. McD has to get experienced quality coordinators on both sides of the ball. The hiring within seems to falling willfully short. 

 

Go Bills

 

 

Something very funny to me that Brady gets so much crap for coordinating a top 5 offense with horrific weapons, and the defense just keeps skating by lol.

[LarryMadman]

 

 

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Something very funny to me that Brady gets so much crap for coordinating a top 5 offense with horrific weapons, and the defense just keeps skating by lol.

Yup, the defense is atrocious and is 1000% worse in the playoffs and yet the McD excuse making apologists skate on by and seemingly only want to focus on the offense or hiccups by Josh if he wasn't PERFECT on a play. Yeah, there is absolutely something wrong with that. WTF!

[hondo in seattle]

40 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Something very funny to me that Brady gets so much crap for coordinating a top 5 offense with horrific weapons, and the defense just keeps skating by lol.

 

It's true that our defense is worse than our offense.  Maybe we talk so much about Brady because it's more fun to watch and discuss offense.

 

Or maybe it's because our defense isn't very talented and is riddle by injuries while our offense has a freakish, once-in-a-generation QB who's being misused.  

[Man with No Name]

defense isn't gonna change until McD is gone, and I think most of us don't believe they'll get rid of him. not yet anyway. biggest issue with his defense, is that even when we are statistically good, it's a scheme that doesn't work against the best, when it matters most. maybe it would if we had an entire defense of all-pros, but that isn't anybody's reality. 

 

weirdly, the offense feels similarly inefficient in some ways. that's to say that our numbers are kind of good, but the change just doesn't come when we absolutely need it. and often against very inferior opposition. 

 

but it's an issue where as a fanbase, we'll only be satisfied with perfection. we've had several years of being awesome but not good enough. and we just want that ONE DAMN SUPER BOWL. you'd think the odds would line up for us to do it one time. 

[Success]

If I'm going to put a silver lining on it - Brady is still really young, and inexperienced as an OC.  It's reasonable to expect that he'll continue evolving & learning, and this might not be what we'll get IF he stays on and remains OC for the foreseeable future.

 

Now, I definitely have an issue that when a team has a generational QB, they decide to roll the dice and promote from within instead of bringing on a proven OC.  But this is our situation.

 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

When multiple opposing players state after a game that they knew exactly what was coming, that’s a problem with the OC.

 

When an opposing coach admits he was shocked at the lack of protection given our QB, that’s a problem with the OC.

 

When an older WR comes off an ACL and has a phenomenal year and we couldn’t or wouldn’t get him involved while he was healthy, thats a problem with the OC.

 

There’s a pattern here.

This 1000%.

 

That and the EIGHT sacks in one game and the turnovers this year. I'm sorta terrified for Josh Allen against the Cleveland Browns with Brady as OC. Miles Garrett will have 8 sacks by himself in this game. 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Something very funny to me that Brady gets so much crap for coordinating a top 5 offense with horrific weapons, and the defense just keeps skating by lol.

Good point. The Bills have heavily invested in the defense for years. Yet, the McD defenses have  falled short year after year.