Virgil Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) Looking back at all the offseason moves to support this team the past three years is a lot more eye opening than I expected. I went and bolded all the players who are contributing this season in a meaningful way, it's a scary sight. On draft classes alone, you could argue Beane should be fired. 3 total starters from the last three drafts. That's horrific. Add to that the new contact extensions that we can't get out of, and it looks to be time.... 2025 Draft Round 1 (30th overall): Maxwell Hairston, CB, Kentucky Round 2 (41st overall): T.J. Sanders, DT, South Carolina Round 3 (72nd overall): Landon Jackson, DE, Arkansas Round 4 (109th overall): Deone Walker, DT, Kentucky Round 5 (170th overall): Jordan Hancock, DB, Ohio State Round 5 (173rd overall): Jackson Hawes, TE, Georgia Tech 2024 Draft Round 2: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State, No. 33 overall (from Panthers) Round 2: S Cole Bishop, Utah, No. 60 Round 3: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke, No. 95 (from Chiefs) Round 4: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky, No. 128 Round 5: C/G Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, Georgia, No. 141 (from Panthers) Round 5: LB Edefuan Ulofoshio, Washington, No. 160 (from Packers) Round 5: DE Javon Solomon, Troy, No. 168 Round 6: T Tylan Grable, UCF, No. 204 Round 6: CB Daequan Hardy, Penn State, No. 219 Round 7: G Travis Clayton, International Player Pathway, No. 221 (from Chiefs) 2023 Draft Round 1, Pick 25: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah Round 2, Pick 59: O'Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida Round 3, Pick 91: Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane Round 5, Pick 150: Justin Shorter, WR, Florida Round 7, Pick 230: Nick Broeker, G, Ole Miss Round 7, Pick 252: Alex Austin, DB, Oregon State 2025 Contract extensions Josh Allen: Signed a six-year, $330 million contract. Khalil Shakir: Received a contract extension. Terrel Bernard: Received a contract extension. Greg Rousseau: Signed a four-year extension. Christian Benford: Received an extension. 2025 Free agent signings Joey Bosa: Signed a one-year deal. Larry Ogunjobi: Signed a one-year deal. Joshua Palmer: Signed a three-year contract. Darrick Forrest: Signed a contract. Laviska Shenault: Signed a contract. Dane Jackson: Signed a one-year deal. Kendrick Green: Signed a one-year deal. Reggie Gilliam: Re-signed to a one-year deal. Damar Hamlin: Re-signed to a one-year deal. 2024 Extensions Taron Johnson: Signed a three-year, $31 million contract extension. DaQuan Jones: Re-signed on a two-year, $16 million deal. Dion Dawkins: Signed a three-year, $60.5 million contract extension. Taylor Rapp: Re-signed on a three-year deal. Will Clapp: Signed a one-year deal. Quintin Morris: Re-signed to a one-year deal. 2024 Signings Curtis Samuel: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. Casey Toohill: Signed a one-year contract. Mike Edwards: Signed a one-year contract. Mack Hollins: Signed a one-year contract. Nicholas Morrow: Signed a one-year contract. Mitchell Trubisky: Signed a two-year contract. David Edwards: Signed a two-year contract. 2023 Signings Signed QB Kyle Allen: Added a new backup quarterback. Signed G Connor McGovern: Signed WR Deonte Harty: Signed WR Trent Sherfield: Signed G David Edwards: Signed OT David Quessenberry: Re-signed OL Ike Boetger: Edited 5 hours ago by Virgil 2 4 Quote
Mikie2times Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) The consensus for a long time is McD is elite and Beane is elite. I called flaming horse crap awhile ago. You don’t have an MVP QB, elite HC and elite GM and not get over the hump in almost 10 years. One or more than one element to that is not as good as perceived. I would point at GM even before HC. This just isn’t a championship caliber roster and it’s been going backwards for awhile now. Iteration one was far better than two. Like light years better. We are no longer getting the Beasley, Brown, Poyer or Hyde FA’s. That quality has been replaced with tier 2 acquisitions, fringe starters serving as primary players. No, Buffalo players are not getting snubbed in the Pro Bowl or Top 100, they just aren’t very good. The consistent lack of representation on these lists is just a byproduct of it. The good ones you mention, like Torrence and Kincaid are first rounders at positions teams rarely even use first round picks on. So ya, we sort of had to hit there. Beane is a witch alright, it’s just in PR and sales, not talent acquisition. He has sold this entire fan base that he knows what the hell he’s doing. He even doubled down on then offseason reminding the fanbase how “dumb” it was to think we need additional WR help. Good thing we have all this C talent locked up on extension. Edited 2 hours ago by Mikie2times 4 2 Quote
Norcalbillsfan Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Finally, we are having this conversation 1 Quote
wppete Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Jackson Hawes has been a very productive player for a 5th Round pick. This year its only Walker and Hawes. Quote
Virgil Posted 5 hours ago Author Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Jackson Hawes has been a very productive player for a 5th Round pick. This year its only Walker and Hawes. I thought about him, but he's still our 3rd TE on the depth chart. He could grow to be more after this season, but as of now, no. 1 1 Quote
Bangarang Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 5 minutes ago, wppete said: Jackson Hawes has been a very productive player for a 5th Round pick. This year its only Walker and Hawes. Very productive? He's been a good blocker but in 6 games he has 4 catches for 54 yards and a TD. 1 Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 23 minutes ago, Virgil said: Looking back at all the offseason moves to support this team the past three years is a lot more eye opening than I expected. I went and bolded all the players who are contributing this season in a meaningful way, it's a scary sight. On draft classes alone, you could argue Beane should be fired. 3 total starters from the last three drafts. That's horrific. Add to that the new contact extensions that we can't get out of, and it looks to be time.... 2025 Draft Round 1 (30th overall): Maxwell Hairston, CB, Kentucky Round 2 (41st overall): T.J. Sanders, DT, South Carolina Round 3 (72nd overall): Landon Jackson, DE, Arkansas Round 4 (109th overall): Deone Walker, DT, Kentucky Round 5 (170th overall): Jordan Hancock, DB, Ohio State Round 5 (173rd overall): Jackson Hawes, TE, Georgia Tech 2024 Draft Round 2: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State, No. 33 overall (from Panthers) Round 2: S Cole Bishop, Utah, No. 60 Round 3: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke, No. 95 (from Chiefs) Round 4: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky, No. 128 Round 5: C/G Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, Georgia, No. 141 (from Panthers) Round 5: LB Edefuan Ulofoshio, Washington, No. 160 (from Packers) Round 5: DE Javon Solomon, Troy, No. 168 Round 6: T Tylan Grable, UCF, No. 204 Round 6: CB Daequan Hardy, Penn State, No. 219 Round 7: G Travis Clayton, International Player Pathway, No. 221 (from Chiefs) 2023 Draft Round 1, Pick 25: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah Round 2, Pick 59: O'Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida Round 3, Pick 91: Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane Round 5, Pick 150: Justin Shorter, WR, Florida Round 7, Pick 230: Nick Broeker, G, Ole Miss Round 7, Pick 252: Alex Austin, DB, Oregon State 2025 Contract extensions Josh Allen: Signed a six-year, $330 million contract. Khalil Shakir: Received a contract extension. Terrel Bernard: Received a contract extension. Greg Rousseau: Signed a four-year extension. Christian Benford: Received an extension. 2025 Free agent signings Joey Bosa: Signed a one-year deal. Larry Ogunjobi: Signed a one-year deal. Joshua Palmer: Signed a three-year contract. Darrick Forrest: Signed a contract. Laviska Shenault: Signed a contract. Dane Jackson: Signed a one-year deal. Kendrick Green: Signed a one-year deal. Reggie Gilliam: Re-signed to a one-year deal. Damar Hamlin: Re-signed to a one-year deal. 2024 Extensions Taron Johnson: Signed a three-year, $31 million contract extension. DaQuan Jones: Re-signed on a two-year, $16 million deal. Dion Dawkins: Signed a three-year, $60.5 million contract extension. Taylor Rapp: Re-signed on a three-year deal. Will Clapp: Signed a one-year deal. Quintin Morris: Re-signed to a one-year deal. 2024 Signings Curtis Samuel: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. Casey Toohill: Signed a one-year contract. Mike Edwards: Signed a one-year contract. Mack Hollins: Signed a one-year contract. Nicholas Morrow: Signed a one-year contract. Mitchell Trubisky: Signed a two-year contract. David Edwards: Signed a two-year contract. 2023 Signings Signed QB Kyle Allen: Added a new backup quarterback. Signed G Connor McGovern: Signed WR Deonte Harty: Signed WR Trent Sherfield: Signed G David Edwards: Signed OT David Quessenberry: Re-signed OL Ike Boetger: Seriously for two so called geniuses this isn’t cutting it, that’s a lot of whiffs. Edited 5 hours ago by PayDaBill$ Quote
wppete Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Just now, Bangarang said: Very productive? He's been a good blocker but in 6 games he has 4 catches for 54 yards and a TD. Yes thats his role block and he has been very very good at that. Check out his PFF numbers. Really impressive. 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Even a player like Torrence has a lot of weeks where he is our worst rated offensive lineman. Kincaid hasn't really meaningfully contributed to this team yet as TE1 (although he looks poised to do that this year if he can stay healthy, remains to be seen). Quote
Comebackkid Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Virgil said: I thought about him, but he's still our 3rd TE on the depth chart. He could grow to be more after this season, but as of now, no. yeah but his role was never to be a #1 TE , his role was to be a blocker and he has got allocades this year for his blocking. Quote
Virgil Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Comebackkid said: yeah but his role was never to be a #1 TE , his role was to be a blocker and he has got allocades this year for his blocking. I'm not dumping on him and think he could have a solid future. I only bolded the players that are starters or making an impact. 1 minute ago, True Blue said: Coleman needs to be moved to slot receiver He needs to earn his roster spot at this point. 1 Quote
True Blue Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago If it were me I’d bench Coleman but if McD insists on starting him I’d line him up as a slot receiver Quote
Brandon Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 37 minutes ago, True Blue said: If it were me I’d bench Coleman but if McD insists on starting him I’d line him up as a slot receiver The problem is, in order to do that, you have to take either Shakir or Kincaid off the field, and they're both clearly better than Keon. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the pick at the time. 1 Quote
KOKBILLS Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Finally, we are having this conversation Agreed... Am I allowed to go all the way back to the DK Metcalf Draft? 1 Quote
paulmm3 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) I would like to see the Bills shift away from their strategy of primarily selecting pre-draft visitors in the draft. I think it artificially limits the pool of talent they are selecting from which leads to selections in the draft that are not the most talented player available. I also think Beane and company get too enamored with specific players and do too much trading of draft picks. You guys aren't that much smarter than all the other talent evaluators in the league and your specific players don't turn out to be better. Just stay put and take the highest consensus ranked guy at the position you need help at like a normal team. Edited 3 hours ago by paulmm3 3 Quote
ngbills Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, wppete said: Jackson Hawes has been a very productive player for a 5th Round pick. This year its only Walker and Hawes. This is the problem. Random 4th and 5th round picks who play are setting the bar. After this many years of picks and free agency without needing a qb there should be more to celebrate than random late draft picks. Quote
True Blue Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Brandon said: The problem is, in order to do that, you have to take either Shakir or Kincaid off the field, and they're both clearly better than Keon. That's one of the reasons I didn't like the pick at the time. I agree. I’m thinking more along the lines of Coleman is a role player that enters the game as a slot receiver whenever Kincaid or Shakir needs a breather. Coleman isn’t starting material. 1 Quote
Norcalbillsfan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 27 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: Agreed... Am I allowed to go all the way back to the DK Metcalf Draft? As long as im allowed to talk about the bills drafting boogie over Humphries pick being the best thing to happen to the chiefs since drafting mahomes. Quote
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