No_Matter_What Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: 2024 honestly hasn't shaped up to be a great class for a lot of teams. Especially those outside the Top 25 picks or so. It was considered to be an all time WR class. But that was more about the guys at the top and the sheer volume. Outside of the top 4 guys - most WR's that followed have been a disappointment thus far. This tweet kind of puts things into perspective on how we're not alone with having a disappointing 2024 class: If you take a look at the selections, hits are few and far between after Round 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NFL_draft 4 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I guess we could have the Chiefs draft class instead.... WR X Worthy, could have not traded up (and kepy a 3rd round pick) and drafted Ladd McConkey OL K Suamataia, was drafted to be LT instead cheap replacement for Thurney but not playing close to his level TE J Wiley 1 career reception S J Hicks PFFs 73rd ranked Safety this season OL H Nourzad 18 NFL snaps CB K Hadden No longer on the team OL CJ Hanson 5 NFL snaps You guys are trying to bring some context and rational discussion? Are you crazy or what? Step aside and let people rant about Beane! 1 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago On 10/13/2025 at 11:16 PM, Awwufelloff said: Beane is living off of the Josh Allen pick. McDermott is also living off of the Josh Allen pick. After he traded away the Mahomes pick to draft a cornerback, let's take a brief look at some of what took place after this idiotic move. In 2018, we of course drafted Josh. The next four picks were defensive players. He did draft wrs in rounds 6 and 7. In 2019, NO wr was drafted. In 2020 the trade was made for Diggs, and added a wr in round 6. In 2021, they drafted a wr in round 5. In 2022, they drafted a wr in round 4. In 2023, another wr in round 4. In 2024, they drafted Coleman in round 2 (after trading down). In 2025, Their first 5 picks were defenive players. They did however draft a wr with pick #240 in round 7. We can blame Beame as we choose but McDermott deserves some of, if not the bulk of the blame for not dedicating enough resources to the wr position, despite having a generational QB. There really is no excuse imo. We still look to be on our way to the playoffs this season and might go far, but I cannot find an excuse for not concentrating more on getting our great QB the weapons he could use to win more football games. https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills 4 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 7 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: McDermott is also living off of the Josh Allen pick. After he traded away the Mahomes pick to draft a cornerback, let's take a brief look at some of what took place after this idiotic move. In 2018, we of course drafted Josh. The next four picks were defensive players. He did draft wrs in rounds 6 and 7. In 2019, NO wr was drafted. In 2020 the trade was made for Diggs, and added a wr in round 6. In 2021, they drafted a wr in round 5. In 2022, they drafted a wr in round 4. In 2023, another wr in round 4. In 2024, they drafted Coleman in round 2 (after trading down). In 2025, Their first 5 picks were defenive players. They did however draft a wr with pick #240 in round 7. We can blame Beame as we choose but McDermott deserves some of, if not the bulk of the blame for not dedicating enough resources to the wr position, despite having a generational QB. There really is no excuse imo. We still look to be on our way to the playoffs this season and might go far, but I cannot find an excuse for not concentrating more on getting our great QB the weapons he could use to win more football games. https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills Only in 2017 did McDermott draft anybody. 1 Quote
LEBills Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 7 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: McDermott is also living off of the Josh Allen pick. After he traded away the Mahomes pick to draft a cornerback, let's take a brief look at some of what took place after this idiotic move. In 2018, we of course drafted Josh. The next four picks were defensive players. He did draft wrs in rounds 6 and 7. In 2019, NO wr was drafted. In 2020 the trade was made for Diggs, and added a wr in round 6. In 2021, they drafted a wr in round 5. In 2022, they drafted a wr in round 4. In 2023, another wr in round 4. In 2024, they drafted Coleman in round 2 (after trading down). In 2025, Their first 5 picks were defenive players. They did however draft a wr with pick #240 in round 7. We can blame Beame as we choose but McDermott deserves some of, if not the bulk of the blame for not dedicating enough resources to the wr position, despite having a generational QB. There really is no excuse imo. We still look to be on our way to the playoffs this season and might go far, but I cannot find an excuse for not concentrating more on getting our great QB the weapons he could use to win more football games. https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills 2020 we drafted Gabe in round 4 2021 Stevenson was a round 6 pick 2022 Shakir was a 5th 2023 Shorter was a fifth Not enough investment regardless of who is in charge 1 2 Quote
Bill from NYC Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Only in 2017 did McDermott draft anybody. Sure. He doesn't prioritize defense, Beane does. Gotcha. 🤨 1 hour ago, LEBills said: 2020 we drafted Gabe in round 4 2021 Stevenson was a round 6 pick 2022 Shakir was a 5th 2023 Shorter was a fifth Not enough investment regardless of who is in charge Exactly. McDermott set this in motion when he traded away the Mahomes pick for a cornerback and never looked back. 2 Quote
dayman Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago On 10/13/2025 at 11:32 PM, Brandon said: Looking over that group, Cole Bishop looks like the best of the bunch. Yikes. Bishop looks pretty good now though 1 Quote
Delete_Delete_Delete Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 15 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: 2024 honestly hasn't shaped up to be a great class for a lot of teams. Especially those outside the Top 25 picks or so. It was considered to be an all time WR class. But that was more about the guys at the top and the sheer volume. Outside of the top 4 guys - most WR's that followed have been a disappointment thus far. This tweet kind of puts things into perspective on how we're not alone with having a disappointing 2024 class: If you take a look at the selections, hits are few and far between after Round 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NFL_draft This is why I’m all for trading picks for proven players whenever the opportunity presents itself. GMs over value draft picks. I mean the Steelers dealt Pickens for what a 3? He certainly looks better than anybody on that list, by a mile. Unfortunately Beane is just one of those GMs who overvalues draft picks… 1 Quote
Dr.Sack Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago On 10/13/2025 at 8:10 PM, Andy1 said: Bills are experiencing a talent drought, getting almost nothing from the entire 2024 draft class. K. Coleman C. Bishop D. Carter R. Davis S. Van Pran-Granger E. Ulofoshio J. Solomon T. Grable D. Hardy T. Clayton We are playing too many old players because they are better than these picks. No easy answers to get out of this hole. Beane sucks at drafting. 3 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said: This is why I’m all for trading picks for proven players whenever the opportunity presents itself. GMs over value draft picks. I mean the Steelers dealt Pickens for what a 3? He certainly looks better than anybody on that list, by a mile. Unfortunately Beane is just one of those GMs who overvalues draft picks… Sure, after the picks are made and we've seen what they turn into - that's something that's really easy to say. Hindsight is always 20/20. But the flip side of that is 99% of the best players in the NFL were once "overvalued" Draft Picks. We've traded two 1st Round Picks under Brandon Beane. The first one was used by the Chiefs to select Patrick Mahomes. The second one was used by the Vikings to select Justin Jefferson. That's not to say there isn't times where it's better to move picks for sure things. But there's a lot of reasons GM's value picks as they do - without taking into account 4-5 years of a cost controlled contract. Quote
RyanC883 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said: This is why I’m all for trading picks for proven players whenever the opportunity presents itself. GMs over value draft picks. I mean the Steelers dealt Pickens for what a 3? He certainly looks better than anybody on that list, by a mile. Unfortunately Beane is just one of those GMs who overvalues draft picks… Totally agree. Should have Waddle but we need the 2026 1st for some reason more than the 2027. Just ridiculous. 1 2 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago The Coleman & Carter picks look like busts. But I really like Bishop, Davis, Grable and Solomon. Solomon has pass rush traits that could continue to develop. I want to see how he develops over the next couple years. Grable looks like a possible starter at guard next year imo. Davis imho is solid insurance for Cook. As we saw against the jets in 24. Bishop looks great. The wildcard pick is Clayton in a couple years.... That's not something to just dismiss If Bishop, Grable become high level starters & Solomon can at minimum develop into a decent pass rush specialist That's a good draft for mist gms. But the Coleman pick is terrible and embarrassing Quote
GunnerBill Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 8 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Sure. He doesn't prioritize defense, Beane does. Gotcha. 🤨 Exactly. McDermott set this in motion when he traded away the Mahomes pick for a cornerback and never looked back. I mean Beane actively tells us he does. I don't know how many times he has to say it before people believe him. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: The Coleman & Carter picks look like busts. But I really like Bishop, Davis, Grable and Solomon. Solomon has pass rush traits that could continue to develop. I want to see how he develops over the next couple years. Grable looks like a possible starter at guard next year imo. Davis imho is solid insurance for Cook. As we saw against the jets in 24. Bishop looks great. The wildcard pick is Clayton in a couple years.... That's not something to just dismiss If Bishop, Grable become high level starters & Solomon can at minimum develop into a decent pass rush specialist That's a good draft for mist gms. But the Coleman pick is terrible and embarrassing Grable looks like a swing tackle. Solomon is a ST guy back of the roster DE. Davis stinks (although he’s done a surprisingly nice job returning kicks). He’s not a NFL player. Carter stinks and is hurt. Coleman stinks and doesn’t commit. Bishop looks like a good starting S. He could be a Pro Bowl guy. To recap they drafted: - A WR with the first pick of the 2nd round that can’t get a jersey on game day after 22 games. - A good and emerging starting S - A DT that’s hurt but couldn’t get a jersey when healthy - A 3rd string RB who is worse at RB than the PS RB - A backup IOL - A LB who is on a PS I think - A special teamer and depth DE - A swing OT - A CB who is on a PS I think - A PS OL that will never play. He’s only here because he was free. I see: 1 good starter (Bishop), 4 career backups (Coleman, Grable, SVPG, Solomon), 2 fringe NFL players (Davis, Carter), and 3 guys that may never play another down (Ulofoshio, Hardy, Clayton). That’s a bad, bad draft. Drafts like this are why the Bills lack high end talent. Hopefully Bishop becomes a Pro Bowler. Edited 2 hours ago by Kirby Jackson 1 Quote
BlazinBill Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago I like Cole- didn’t develop super fast but has been ballin out as of late but yeah Beane has not drafted well- sadly we see any promise from a draft pick then tend to overpay to keep them- Quote
GunnerBill Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Grable looks like a swing tackle. Solomon is a ST guy back of the roster DE. Davis stinks (although he’s done a surprisingly nice job returning kicks). He’s not a NFL player. Carter stinks and is hurt. Coleman stinks and doesn’t commit. Bishop looks like a good starting S. He could be a Pro Bowl guy. To recap they drafted: - A WR with the first pick of the 2nd round that can’t get a jersey on game day after 22 games. - A good and emerging starting S - A DT that’s hurt but couldn’t get a jersey when healthy - A 3rd string RB who is worse at RB than the PS RB - A backup IOL - A LB who is on a PS I think - A special teamer and depth DE - A swing OT - A CB who is on a PS I think - A PS OL that will never play. He’s only here because he was free. I see: 1 good starter (Bishop), 4 career backups (Coleman, Grable, SVPG, Solomon), 2 fringe NFL players (Davis, Carter), and 3 guys that may never play another down. That’s a bad, bad draft. Drafts like this are why the Bills lack high end talent. Hopefully Bishop becomes a Pro Bowler. The only one I disagree with is Grable. If he can ever get and stay healthy I think he can be an NFL starter and a good one too. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Just now, GunnerBill said: The only one I disagree with is Grable. If he can ever get and stay healthy I think he can be an NFL starter and a good one too. Fair. He was the one that I struggled with a little here too. You’re a little higher on him that me but he has a future and another contract after this one (assuming health). I didn’t really mean swing tackle as an insult. I meant it more in a Dan Skipper type of way where he can play, a good amount, and not hurt you. Quote
GunnerBill Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, BlazinBill said: I like Cole- didn’t develop super fast but has been ballin out as of late but yeah Beane has not drafted well- sadly we see any promise from a draft pick then tend to overpay to keep them- I did talk about this before Beane signed the 5 guys this summer: Bernard, Shakir, Groot, Benford and then Cook. All 5 of those guys were good draft picks. They are all NFL starting claibre players and other than Bernard I think they are all above average with Cook and Benford darn good. But there was a personal incentive for Beane to lock those guys up that went beyond the team. Before the spring Beane had been responsible for seven drafts as the Bills General Manager. The guys he had drafted who had been worth second contracts were: Josh Allen Taron Johnson Ed Oliver Dawson Knox AJ Epenesa Tyler Bass Spencer Brown Knox and Epenesa had since lost their starting jobs. So from 22 starters after 7 years as the GM Beane had four guys he had drafted and then re-signed. That is NOT a high number. The 2022 draft where Cook (2nd), Bernard (3rd), Shakir (5th) and Benford (6th) came from was without question his best draft since 2018 even though he blew his first round pick. If he didn't retain those guys from his most successful class his record of drafting multi contract starters for the Bills would really have begun to look sparse. He almost had to show "look guys in 2022 I got it right" for his own reputation. 1 Quote
finn Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago On 10/13/2025 at 11:14 PM, Bangarang said: Imagine having 10 draft picks and whiffing on all of them. Not a single contributor in an entire draft class. Whenever that happens, I dream of a scenario where Beane packages all the whiff picks and moves up for a franchise player. I do wish Beane would do something like this on occasion. It's hard to pick at the bottom of every round year after year, where the chances of landing a franchise player are so much lower. I think you have to roll the dice sometimes, maybe when you're sure of your targeted player (e.g., Garrett Wilson that year) and not too excited about the rest of the draft. Quote
FireChans Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I did talk about this before Beane signed the 5 guys this summer: Bernard, Shakir, Groot, Benford and then Cook. All 5 of those guys were good draft picks. They are all NFL starting claibre players and other than Bernard I think they are all above average with Cook and Benford darn good. But there was a personal incentive for Beane to lock those guys up that went beyond the team. Before the spring Beane had been responsible for seven drafts as the Bills General Manager. The guys he had drafted who had been worth second contracts were: Josh Allen Taron Johnson Ed Oliver Dawson Knox AJ Epenesa Tyler Bass Spencer Brown Knox and Epenesa had since lost their starting jobs. So from 22 starters after 7 years as the GM Beane had four guys he had drafted and then re-signed. That is NOT a high number. The 2022 draft where Cook (2nd), Bernard (3rd), Shakir (5th) and Benford (6th) came from was without question his best draft since 2018 even though he blew his first round pick. If he didn't retain those guys from his most successful class his record of drafting multi contract starters for the Bills would really have begun to look sparse. He almost had to show "look guys in 2022 I got it right" for his own reputation. The self-serving nature of Beano has really reared its head the last 2 years or so. I think he’s under pressure internally. We are a chronically cap strapped team every offseason, that needs to keep begging Pegs to cut more checks and for what? 1 Quote
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