Beans and Sean - Should we miss the SB again

[justjoshingaround]

50 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Oh man, they are wasting Josh Allen's best years...cry...whine...piss...moan!

 

Buffalo was 6-6 in 2023, and Miami was 9-3 at week 14. Things were not looking good for Buffalo to win the division. McD went on to fire Bills OC Ken Dorsey and replace him with Joe Brady.  Buffalo went on to play Miami in Miami for the last regular-season game and won. Thus, taking the division.

 

Josh Allen made mistakes in this last game against the Patriots, as he is not a god but a mortal human who makes mistakes at times. He needs a strong supporting cast, and he usually has one most of the season.

 

The ONLY team with more wins over the last 5 seasons has been the KC Chiefs, and this GM/HC has built a culture here in Buffalo that hasn't been seen since the early 90's. Even then, this franchise hasn't had bottom-of-the-barrel seasons to gain that first overall pick like a Bruce Smith. This regime has managed to find an elite QB by trading and not by losing. Every year, they draft at the back of the draft and attempt to find the best players they can. Pretty darn good job to stay at the top of the AFC year after year. 

 

Currently, the injuries that usually happen at the end of the season have happened at the start to some rookies who are desperately needed to bolster the secondary.     

The current Buffalo Bills GM/HC is among the very best in the NFL, and thinking that somehow things will get better if they are replaced is a pipe dream, meaning those who are thinking this are doing opium in a pipe.  

 

Quantifying the exact odds of hiring a better replacement for a fired NFL head coach is impossible, but historical data and analysis show it is an extremely difficult task with a low success rate. While teams often see a small initial bump in performance, this is frequently a result of "regression to the mean," and sustained success is elusive.

 

Some Buffalo Bills fans can't stand limited success, so they want to join the Cleveland Browns in a never-ending search for a better GM/HC. Or perhaps become the NY Jets, whose last playoff win was the 1968 Super Bowl. 

The jets have won a playoff games since 1968 with Rex as hc.

 

Mcdermott has been blessed with an easy division for the last 6 years. Lets not omit that.

 

I've been trying to come up with mcds coaching philosophy for a while. Its not coaching not to lose per se. He gets aggressive. 

 

I think i can fairly explain it. 

 

He coaches to shorten the game. Doesn't want the opposing O to score too fast, nor does he want the bills O to score fast either. 

 

Which imo makes sense why the bills d can show up usually when they have to. Why we don't go after game breaking wr since the trade for diggs. But can score when we have to ( for the most part)

 

The argument can be made for both sides. We don't know if mcd is the Achilles heal. Hes the only coach we've had with allen. On the other side. The grass isn't always greener. 

 

Personally I think he gets too much credit for breaking the drought. Cinci was as equal or not more than responsible as well. 

 

To have the same problems the bills have always had in regards to getting bounced out of the playoffs has been consistent for the past 5 years. There is merit for concern/doubt

[GoBills808]

52 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Agreed on Ryans time with the Jets first two years (20-12). Not so much next four years (26-38). How did Rex do with a Bills team "esp considering the competition at the time". Or is that a pass?

look im not trying to convince you either way. and i dont care about what ryan did here at all

 

im saying ryan did as much w Sanchez as McDermott has done w Allen

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Sadly Josh will be 33 and might not be close to the player he is now by then

I don’t disagree. It’s just how I see it going. I agree with people that think Terry won’t pull the trigger. 

[Nihilarian]

58 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Quantifying the exact odds of hiring a better replacement for a fired NFL head coach is impossible, but historical data and analysis show it is an extremely difficult task with a low success rate. While teams often see a small initial bump in performance, this is frequently a result of "regression to the mean," and sustained success is elusive.

Allow me to reiterate the above. I don't want to see Buffalo become a Cleveland, Chicago, or NY Jets anytime soon.

 

So most want Sean McVay as the new Buffalo HC because he won a Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford at QB over the Bengals. He also lost one with Jared Goff at QB to the Patriots.

 

McVay is 83-54 in his 9 years as an NFL HC. 

 

Sean McDermott is 90-46 in his 9 years as an NFL HC.

 

McD coaches in a tougher conference with the most winning team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons, the Chiefs. The ONLY HC better than McD has been Andy Reid. My thoughts are that he will retire before taking another HC job. 5 Super Bowls, 3 wins. 

 

I get it, it's frustrating. Just be careful what you wish for...

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Allow me to reiterate the above. I don't want to see Buffalo become a Cleveland, Chicago, or NY Jets anytime soon.

 

So most want Sean McVay as the new Buffalo HC because he won a Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford at QB over the Bengals. He also lost one with Jared Goff at QB to the Patriots.

 

McVay is 83-54 in his 9 years as an NFL HC. 

 

Sean McDermott is 90-46 in his 9 years as an NFL HC.

 

McD coaches in a tougher conference with the most winning team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons, the Chiefs. The ONLY HC better than McD has been Andy Reid. My thoughts are that he will retire before taking another HC job. 5 Super Bowls, 3 wins. 

 

I get it, it's frustrating. Just be careful what you wish for...

its basically impossible not to win a ton of games when your QB scores as many TDs as Allen

40 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I said this before but it didn’t seem to get a lot traction. I think McD will likely just leave the team by maybe the end of 27 or 28 if he still hasn’t gotten it done. The reason I feel this way is I don’t think Terry will do it. But I also don’t think people understand how uncomfortable it will be coaching this team at that time if he still hasn’t gotten to a Super Bowl. The fan base will turn on them and it won’t be pretty. 

😂😂not if the posters here are in any way representative

[DaVinci]

10-7

[justjoshingaround]

7 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Allow me to reiterate the above. I don't want to see Buffalo become a Cleveland, Chicago, or NY Jets anytime soon.

 

So most want Sean McVay as the new Buffalo HC because he won a Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford at QB over the Bengals. He also lost one with Jared Goff at QB to the Patriots.

 

McVay is 83-54 in his 9 years as an NFL HC. 

 

Sean McDermott is 90-46 in his 9 years as an NFL HC.

 

McD coaches in a tougher conference with the most winning team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons, the Chiefs. The ONLY HC better than McD has been Andy Reid. My thoughts are that he will retire before taking another HC job. 5 Super Bowls, 3 wins. 

 

I get it, it's frustrating. Just be careful what you wish for...

No fan wants the bills to be like the teams mentioned above. However theres one player that separates the bills from those teams that play coach roulette. 

 

#17. 

 

But I do agree. Becareful what you wish for. Its not any easy decision by any means. Its a flip of a coin no matter what.

 

go bills

 

 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

its basically impossible not to win a ton of games when your QB scores as many TDs as Allen

😂😂not if the posters here are in any way representative

Haha…a few people still attribute most of this to him despite having Josh Allen in the AFC East. Which basically is a divisional title as the floor. 

[Haslett_Stomp]

The Broncos did not win a Super Bowl with Elway until they replaced Dan Reeves with Mike Shannanan.

[uticaclub]

5 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

The Broncos did not win a Super Bowl with Elway until they replaced Dan Reeves with Mike Shannanan.

They made a few Super Bowls with Reeves, we won't see that with McDermott.

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

As much as I love Sean and Beane, I strongly believe that if we miss reaching the SB again we HAVE to move on. Things seem stagnant and nothing has changed when compared to last year. 
 

I think Beane has done a disservice to Allen by not providing better targets especially when he could have instead of drafting crappy players (Landon Jackson, Bishop, Greg Rousseau, Basham, and that one CB that was traded to Dallas). Something has got to change. What do you guys think?

 

The problem with moving on is that you have Terry Pegula making the change and bringing in the new guys.  

 

Terry is a nice guy but he got lucky and struck gold with McDermott and Bean. 

 

With the Sabres he can't find good hockey management and its going on 15 long and painful years, an NHL record for poor performance with no playoffs.  

[Avisan]

9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Haha…a few people still attribute most of this to him despite having Josh Allen in the AFC East. Which basically is a divisional title as the floor. 

The Bills' defense pretty reliably slowing down the Dolphins is a big part of that.  Miami has for several years been equipped to win shootouts, and we haven't let that happen.  We deliver a backbreaker to them every season.  They've thrown their best possible punches at us each season and fallen short despite having decent records overall.

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Avisan said:

The Bills' defense pretty reliably slowing down the Dolphins is a big part of that.  Miami has for several years been equipped to win shootouts, and we haven't let that happen.  We deliver a backbreaker to them every season.  They've thrown their best possible punches at us each season and fallen short despite having decent records overall.

They produced a couple wild card quality years. Kudos McD. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

9 hours ago, Gregg said:

A lot of people (myself included) would welcome a change, but Terry likes Beane and McDermott as his GM/HC combo. Unless the Bills completely fall apart and miss the playoffs I don't see either one in danger of losing their jobs. Even if they did miss the playoffs Terry would probably give them another year to fix the problem.

They are the problem 

[gomper]

Ask yourself this: How many games do the Bills go into and your convinced they have a coaching advantage ?

[Buffalo Boy]

9 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

On this subject... And it's not a huge thing... But it is a thing...

While we continue to try to find answers at DT...

Two players we let walk for nothing...Both basically played 2024 for around the vet minimum...Both DT's... Poona Ford and Tim Settle have played every game but one (Ford missed a game this year) since they left and combined for 83 total tackles, 9 sacks and 20 run stuffs as rotational DT's... We let them walk... I get they may not have been great here... Maybe a scheme thing... But they seem to be OK NFL DT's... 

Back to a previous point I made on another thread.

   McD can’t adapt his scheme to fit his players. He never could. He will let talent walk if it doesn’t fit his view.
He will cling to players who know his scheme regardless of current ability.

    This is one of a few reasons I’ve been convinced of his need to be replaced for going on four years now.

The other major one being the overall poor design of his scheme for the championship level moments.

🦬

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Ryan w the Bills was a .500 coach just like McDermott w the Bills was a .500 coach before allen showed up

That’s insane to even compare Rex Ryan to McDermott. 

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

lol

 

you're telling me the guy who took Mark Sanchez to two AFCCGs couldn't win a SuperBowl w Allen

No way in hell.  Please don't give Pegula any ideas.  Can't wait for Ed Oliver to drop into trap coverage.

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

The Broncos did not win a Super Bowl with Elway until they replaced Dan Reeves with Mike Shannanan.

Agreed! But, at least they got to SBs. Absolutely attributable to Elway. This is as close to a comparison of QBs carrying teams ( excepting possibly Marino) as their is.

    And, close on the coaching  comparison. Reeves was a quality head coach. However, he couldn’t win it all.

   Crusade logo= McD never will( excepting a complete fluke of lucky circumstances)

10 hours ago, T.E. said:

Won road playoff games against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady too. McDermott couldn't even do that against Deshaun Watson and Blake Bortles.

An inconvenient Truth 😜

[Buffalo Boy]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I will if he won’t. Rex with the Bills was a clown with a giant ego. If he was that good of a coach, he’d still be coaching instead of a blow hard on TV. 

I think this is true. Rex caught magic in a bottle with those players for a few years and managed to stay out of the way. 
The Jets beating the Pats was Very sweet at the time though🥰