The Refs and this “rigged” league

[billsfan89]

I don't think the Refs were helpful to the Bills. Seemed like esp in the first half the Bills got a lot of borderline calls against them and the Pats seemed to not get a lot against them. I know that ref crew the Bills have a lower winning percentage with too. But the main reason the Bills lost were the 3 turnovers compared to the Pats 1. If the Bills turned the ball over one less time and get a field goal on one of those drives the Bills probably get that game into OT. If the Bills get 6 points on those turnover drives they are up 6 with NE needing a TD to score and putting the Bills in a more favorable position to win. The Bills get a TD and a FG on those drives the game is a double digit win. 

 

The Refs didn't help but they weren't the main factor, and the Bills losing the turnover margin by 2 means that having an unfavorable whistle is something that can further tip the game. 

[muppy]

21 minutes ago, JP51 said:

All I know is that non PI call on the KC interception was as bad as the non PI call in that Saints playoff games several years ago... like right out in the open... where the play was going... how do you not call that... 

the fact is that referees Lack consistency in when PI is called all the time.  I  read "they will let them play and not throw flags" during marquise games so as to not disrupt play and "let them play"

 

during the season I see contact beyond what the rules say is allowed all the time too. So s, allegedly some contact is okay,  well maybe it IS excessive but doesn't get called, or does get called and it is labeled ticky tack.

 

ACK!

 

I think consistency should go towards flagging  PI more severely  Make the corners and safety's aware and make them adjust their defense accordingky

 

Make the rules Plain and call them as written. not so much "latitude"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

18 minutes ago, JP51 said:

All I know is that non PI call on the KC interception was as bad as the non PI call in that Saints playoff games several years ago... like right out in the open... where the play was going... how do you not call that... 

 

Either the refs didn't see it or they thought it was accidental contact (like feel tangling). 

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

the fact is that referees Lack consistency in when PI is called all the time.  I  read "they will let them play and not throw flags" during marquise games so as to not disrupt play and "let them play"

 

during the season I see contact beyond what the rules say is allowed all the time too. So s, allegedly some contact is okay,  well maybe it IS excessive but doesn't get called, or does get called and it is labeled ticky tack.

 

ACK!

 

I think consistency should go towards flagging  PI more severely  Make the corners and safety's aware and make them adjust their defense accordingky

 

Make the rules Plain and call them as written. not so much "latitude"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree... the best way to achieve consistency is to implement the rules as they are written... the more judgement you put in the more variance... for sure. 

[muppy]

Just now, JP51 said:

I agree... the best way to achieve consistency is to implement the rules as they are written... the more judgement you put in the more variance... for sure. 

Humans are not perfect so neither will officiating a sport ever be.  How to correct obvious critical errors and fix them in games real time. Now that is a discussion worth having. 

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

Humans are not perfect so neither will officiating a sport ever be.  How to correct obvious critical errors and fix them in games real time. Now that is a discussion worth having. 

Indeed... add in without completely disrupting the flow of a game... 

[Kirby Jackson]

38 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You can put sensors in the ball, but what technology is going to figure out when forward progress is stopped or when a player’s body part is “down”?

If you have sensors in the ball and sensors at the marker, they can communicate. You’re then left with the issue of “when the knee (or wrist or whatever) touches down.” You continue using all of the angles available to determine that and then you combine the two. It’s not a perfect answer but it’s way, way, way better than the old guy running in with his foot. 

[DJB]

 

 

The NFL is rigged and did everything they could to let the Chiefs win

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

 

The NFL is rigged and did everything they could to let the Chiefs win

Wrong 

[Low Positive]

24 minutes ago, muppy said:

Humans are not perfect so neither will officiating a sport ever be.  How to correct obvious critical errors and fix them in games real time. Now that is a discussion worth having. 

I don't think anyone is saying that. But it's hard to dispute that they called a different game for the Pats OL than they did for the Bills OL. If you're going to call holding tight, then apply the same standard to both teams. 

[El Guapo]

17 hours ago, muppy said:

I would Love to drag the refs and blame them for the loss. It would remove responsibility for the loss from the players

 

I can't do it

 

 

It doesn't feel good as a fan to see calls we think are unfair. it sucks. But aren't  officials in retrospect  graded on Their performance too ?

 

Its the NFL. My solace is I don't think it is only the Bills who are  the recipients of questionable flags. Calls AND Non calls too

 

Not just Us. 

First, let me state this is not a look at me post. It’s not meant to be a post that says I have inside information. I don’t. It is what I was told by an NFL ref after a bills game. I was at a meeting later that week. I had been to the game, which the bills won. The conversation occurred before a meeting in Birmingham Alabama. One of the participants knew I had been to the game and that the ref had officiated the game. Just killing time, we talked about the game. No big deal, but a couple of things stood out to me that he said. Also, I was surprised to find out that a former SEC ref was doing the NFL from Birmingham Alabama.

 

he said Josh Allen was the biggest ***** talker in the NFL. He said it wasn’t close. He talks ***** all game long. Not just in this game, but in every game. He said, he talks more ***** to the refs than any other player. And that is not taken very well by the refs across the league.

 

he then told me that Josh, not the bills in general, will not get the benefit of a doubt on a call. Again, this was directed at Josh, and not the bills in general.  he did not say that they would deliberately call a penalty that was not there. He just said Josh will not get the benefit of a spot or a close call.  I thought it was an interesting take on Josh.
 

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[T master]

One would think that IF the NFL was all about the game they would be able to have a Ref looking at every play and the plays that have a penalty that is missed and every one but the ref on the field see's it that it could be over turned ! 

 

But instead they wait until games are lost because of the incompetent call during the games like last season in the Chiefs - Bills game then change the rules after the fact instead of before they happen that is the league being reactive instead of pro active .

 

I even saw some calls in the Jags - Chiefs game that were blatant misses that could have easily changed the out come of that game and some on both sides, I know in real time some of those calls could be missed but if they would implement the so called Eye in the Sky Ref or what ever its called they could correct the human error that happens on some of these calls .

 

There were a couple of those holding calls on the Bills center that were just ridiculous and some of the none calls on the Bills WR's that were also missed that helped that out come to be what it was ...

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

One would think that IF the NFL was all about the game they would be able to have a Ref looking at every play and the plays that have a penalty that is missed and every one but the ref on the field see's it that it could be over turned ! 

 

But instead they wait until games are lost because of the incompetent call during the games like last season in the Chiefs - Bills game then change the rules after the fact instead of before they happen that is the league being reactive instead of pro active .

 

I even saw some calls in the Jags - Chiefs game that were blatant misses that could have easily changed the out come of that game and some on both sides, I know in real time some of those calls could be missed but if they would implement the so called Eye in the Sky Ref or what ever its called they could correct the human error that happens on some of these calls .

 

There were a couple of those holding calls on the Bills center that were just ridiculous and some of the none calls on the Bills WR's that were also missed that helped that out come to be what it was ...

So you want penalties called on every play with the “eye in the sky”?

[T master]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

So you want penalties called on every play with the “eye in the sky”?

If that's what you took from my reply I don't know what to tell you ...

[LabattBlue]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

If that's what you took from my reply I don't know what to tell you ...

Re-read your 1st paragraph.  
 

 

My point is multiple infractions happen on every play.  Where do you draw the line on what gets called and what doesn’t?   Officiating isn’t any better or worse than it was 20 years ago.  
 

 

The only thing that changed was frame by frame super slo mo replays which lead to 2nd guessing officiating who are doing it real time on the field. 

Edited 1 hour ago by LabattBlue

[finn]

59 minutes ago, muppy said:

Humans are not perfect so neither will officiating a sport ever be.  How to correct obvious critical errors and fix them in games real time. Now that is a discussion worth having. 

Agreed, as long as the discussion doesn't assume the "errors" were indeliberate or that the people doing the correcting aren't also biased. Or that such a system would resolve other forms of unfair treatment, whether consciously motivated or not, such as calling holding more on one team than another despite clear evidence of violations from both teams. 

 

It seems to me the league has realized it can tweak the outcomes without causing too much public distrust. So why wouldn't they? (Besides basic integrity, which is the first thing to disappear when big money is on the table.) You can rationalize all kinds of behavior that in another light is blatantly wrong. One person's "buying the refs off to tip the game" is another person's "Hey, why shouldn't I assign Hochuli's crew to the Bills game? Yeah, they're historically anti-Bills and, ok, I'll make a million dollars if the Bills lose, but they're a good crew!"

[The Frankish Reich]

50 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

 

The NFL is rigged and did everything they could to let the Chiefs win

Well, not everything, since the Chiefs had a couple of key penalty calls against them in the 4th.

I actually thought that was a good sign the Chiefs Privilege was starting to fade.

[Big Blitz]

16 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

First, let me state this is not a look at me post. It’s not meant to be a post that says I have inside information. I don’t. It is what I was told by an NFL ref after a bills game. I was at a meeting later that week. I had been to the game, which the bills won. The conversation occurred before a meeting in Birmingham Alabama. One of the participants knew I had been to the game and that the ref had officiated the game. Just killing time, we talked about the game. No big deal, but a couple of things stood out to me that he said. Also, I was surprised to find out that a former SEC ref was doing the NFL from Birmingham Alabama.

 

he said Josh Allen was the biggest ***** talker in the NFL. He said it wasn’t close. He talks ***** all game long. Not just in this game, but in every game. He said, he talks more ***** to the refs than any other player. And that is not taken very well by the refs across the league.

 

he then told me that Josh, not the bills in general, will not get the benefit of a doubt on a call. Again, this was directed at Josh, and not the bills in general.  he did not say that they would deliberately call a penalty that was not there. He just said Josh will not get the benefit of a spot or a close call.  I thought it was an interesting take on Josh.
 

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But that’s not reflected by the data for any crew other than Hercules.  
 

I don’t doubt he said this but I will doubt how accurate that particular ref is regarding how officials view Josh’s ***t talking.   
 

 

Maybe Hucchuli has an issue.  I’d buy that.  

[T master]

9 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

My point is multiple infractions happen on every play.  Where do you draw the line on what gets called and what doesn’t?   Officiating isn’t any better or worse than it was 20 years ago.  
 

 

The only thing that changed was frame by frame super slo mo replays which lead to 2nd guessing officiating who are doing it real time on the field. 

What I am talking about are those Blatant misses ! Go look at the DJB reply where it shows the missed PI on the Chiefs player that while the ball was in the air knocked the Jags player to the ground and it wasn't called .

 

EVERY ONE in the stadium, the broad cast booth, the retired ref that is now a announcer, knew that it was a blatant missed penalty and it was caught ON CAMERA for the entire world to see, YES those plays need to be reviewed !!

 

I'm not talking about reviewing every- single - player to see if they committed a penalty because as you said there are penalties on every play especially on holding penalties on the O line there could be a penalty called every play ! I'm not talking about nit picking .

 

But there were a lot of calls especially last season in the AFC Championship game that were IMHO blatantly missed to help the Chiefs to possibly do a 3 peat and those calls that change the out come need to be at the very least looked at and allowed to be over turned if they are found to be of that nature .

Edited 1 hour ago by T master

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, not everything, since the Chiefs had a couple of key penalty calls against them in the 4th.

I actually thought that was a good sign the Chiefs Privilege was starting to fade.

 

Agreed - it might actually be getting to a point the league might be worried the country wants nothing to do with the Chiefs in another SB and there time as darlings is over.  
 

 

They’ve moved on to Washington Chicago and New England.  They need those teams QBs and their franchises to be relevant.