The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

He threw to an open receiver on 3rd down!!!!

 

In your mind, you want him to throw a 2-3 yard crosser instead of throwing to an open WR who is past the sticks on 3rd down????

 

Thank Goodness you are not one of our coaches.

 

 

That 3rd down pass was a desperation ball that never should have happened.

 

Thank god Im not a coach... or else we'd lose to the Pats.

 

3 yards at a time is better than 0 yards at a time. How controversial. Tell me how that's false, "Einstein"...

Edited 2 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[mjt328]

19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This is a great observation.  Allen played his B game and the Bills lost.  Mahomes plays a lot of B games that the Chiefs win.  And that's why the Chiefs and not the Bills are going to Super Bowl games.

 

Exactly.  The Bills aren't the same stratosphere as the Brady/Belichick Patriots or Mahomes/Reid Chiefs.

 

In the biggest moments of games, Brady/Mahomes usually got 95% of the credit for being clutch.  But upon replay, you will see the O-Line also stepped up and kept a clean pocket on those plays.  You will see the receivers found a way to get open on those plays.  You will see the defense on the other side do something to help make a stop.

 

In the biggest moments of games, Josh Allen is usually forced to run around immediately and get away from pressure... desperately trying to find anyone on the field open.  When he does make that big play, it's almost a given the defense will fall apart going the other direction.  Think about our last 3 losses to the Chiefs in the playoffs.  Scrambling from tons of pressure, only for Dalton Kincaid to drop it.  Dion Dawkins unable to keep the rush from knocking his pass off target.  Then Tyler Bass missing the field goal.  And of course the defense on 13 seconds.

 

Fans generally give Allen a pass for his mistakes, because he shouldn't need to play near-perfect every game in order for us to win.

 

[Einstein]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

That 3rd down pass was a desperation ball that never should have happened.

 

 

A desperation pass? How much did you have to drink last night? A case?

 

It was a bullet to an open WR that was only not caught because he was interfered with.

 

 

[tigerthelion]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Calm down. We all love Josh and know how great he is and wouldnt trade him for anything. That doesnt mean hes always perfect or we arent allowed to discuss mistakes.  You guys are so sensitive.

Not sensitive at all.  Everyone knows that Josh can play better.  His INT was a terrible mistake.  It wasn't his best game by any stretch, but it wasn't a terrible game, either.  It was a good, not great effort by him.   What is the point of picking out a few plays he missed, though?  That happens for Mahomes, Lamar, Hurts, Burrow, etc.  They all miss plays.  Last year's game against Houston, now that was a clunker.  Last night, that was not that poor of a performance by the QB. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, mjt328 said:

 

Exactly.  The Bills aren't the same stratosphere as the Brady/Belichick Patriots or Mahomes/Reid Chiefs.

 

In the biggest moments of games, Brady/Mahomes usually got 95% of the credit for being clutch.  But upon replay, you will see the O-Line also stepped up and kept a clean pocket on those plays.  You will see the receivers found a way to get open on those plays.  You will see the defense on the other side do something to help make a stop.

 

In the biggest moments of games, Josh Allen is usually forced to run around immediately and get away from pressure... desperately trying to find anyone on the field open.  When he does make that big play, it's almost a given the defense will fall apart going the other direction.  Think about our last 3 losses to the Chiefs in the playoffs.  Scrambling from tons of pressure, only for Dalton Kincaid to drop it.  Dion Dawkins unable to keep the rush from knocking his pass off target.  Then Tyler Bass missing the field goal.  And of course the defense on 13 seconds.

 

Fans generally give Allen a pass for his mistakes, because he shouldn't need to play near-perfect every game in order for us to win.

 

Last night was a substandard performance by everyone (except Kincaid in my mind).  Coaches, players, probably even the water boys.  But they’ll bounce back.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

A desperation pass? How much did you have to drink last night? A case?

 

It was a bullet to an open WR that was only not caught because he was interfered with.

 

 

 

I think he is calling it a desperation ball because Josh had to run around for what felt like an eternity to be able to get the pass off.  The pass its self wasn't a "desperation" hope and pray ball, but the play in itself was in desperation mode scrambling to extend to find something or someplace to go with it.

 

I still believe Allen flat out missed the right read to Samuel from a clean pocket that would have been a TD or close to a TD. 

[BillzFreak]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Last night was a substandard performance by everyone (except Kincaid in my mind).  Coaches, players, probably even the water boys.  But they’ll bounce back.

The defense came out with some juice and the offense looked to just be going through the motions. Honestly it would be nice to see this team put it together on both sides of the ball from the jump in the games going forward. Will that happen probably not but I'm always hopeful.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillzFreak

[Einstein]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The pass its self wasn't a "desperation" hope and pray ball

 

Agreed. The pass was a normal pass that is caught for a first down if he’s not interfered with,

 

The preceding moving around and scrambling, to me, is just normal Josh though.

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I still believe Allen flat out missed the right read to Samuel from a clean pocket that would have been a TD or close to a TD. 

 

It’s okay - we are all wrong sometimes. Today is your turn.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, BillzFreak said:

The defense came out with some juice and the offense looked to just be going through the motions. Honestly it would be nice to see this team put it together on both sides of the ball from the jump is the games going forward. Will that happen probably not but I'm always hopeful.

Yeah, statistically the D did OK.  But some things were maddening.  Why it took so long to put a spy on Maye for example.  And their tackling like Bishop’s one whiff.  Only other thing I’d say for the D is it’s time to sit Tre down, we love the guy but coming back from an ACL and an Achilles is probably too much to ask.

 

I think they’ll bounce back with a solid outing in Atlanta.  Hopefully put both sides together as you indicate.

[90sBills]

45 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

What?  Now you are attacking me for having an opinion also?  

 

You think I don't watch the nfl and don't know anything?  

 

Whatever. I now have been told I live in my moms basement, I only understand football from a madden point of view (don't even own or play the game) and now I do not watch the nfl either?

 

Ridiculous.  I will just keep my thoughts to myself going forward I guess.  

Teach you not to start a thread pointing out how Allen could’ve played better. 

[BillzFreak]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yeah, statistically the D did OK.  But some things were maddening.  Why it took so long to put a spy on Maye for example.  And their tackling like Bishop’s one whiff.  Only other thing I’d say for the D is it’s time to sit Tre down, we love the guy but coming back from an ACL and an Achilles is probably too much to ask.

 

I think they’ll bounce back with a solid outing in Atlanta.  Hopefully put both sides together as you indicate.

Trey shouldn't be starting, I understand he is a locker room guy but this is about results and he isn't getting any good ones. He is a liability in coverage every time he is out there. We obviously don't know football as good as the coaches do but the tape itself doesn't lie. He can't cover...he is to slow now to read and react to plays being targeted his way and he definitely doesn't have the speed to keep up with any receiver with a quick twitch to his game.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillzFreak

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

Teach you not to start a thread pointing out how Allen could’ve played better. 

I did no such thing.  I made this thread to point out how the ball is not there when shakir is hit and Allen was hit in the face while throwing, no flags.

 

Secondly, I so much believe in Allen that I am the one saying I believe he can make that throw.  I think Allen played well enough to win.  They get the PI they win the game because they probably burn another 2 minutes or more and score leaving very little time for new england to push the ball up the field.

 

You have it exactly backwards.  Try reading the thread, you will see.  Its more of a Pro Allen thing from me.  I believe he makes that throw.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

How do you know that the fumble was on Allen?  The stats assign it to him but unless your name is Brady you have no idea who fumbled that ball.

 

That any one watching last nights game would claim that Allen played poorly is astonishing to me.  It would be no different then claiming Allen played great.  He played a good game - nothing more, nothing less.  The loss was not because of bad QB play.  

He played a poor game. I don't see how anyone watching could believe otherwise besides fans who have their rose colored glasses on with everything Josh Allen related.

[90sBills]

9 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I did no such thing.  I made this thread to point out how the ball is not there when shakir is hit and Allen was hit in the face while throwing, no flags.

 

Secondly, I so much believe in Allen that I am the one saying I believe he can make that throw.  I think Allen played well enough to win.  They get the PI they win the game because they probably burn another 2 minutes or more and score leaving very little time for new england to push the ball up the field.

 

You have it exactly backwards.  Try reading the thread, you will see.  Its more of a Pro Allen thing from me.  I believe he makes that throw.

You may have misread the tone of my post. I don’t the backlash you’re getting is warranted. 

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

He played a poor game. I don't see how anyone watching could believe otherwise besides fans who have their rose colored glasses on with everything Josh Allen related.

Nail on the head. 

[Buffalo4Life01]

Josh Allen played a poor game.  He didn't make great decisions in high leverage moments last night.  It happens.  I fully expect him to bounce back next week.  Even the greats have bad games from time to time.  No one is saying Buffalo lost the game because Allen didn't play well.  He is not the only reason for the loss.  But people need to grow a bit thicker skin when it comes to Allen.  He isn't perfect and he does make mistakes like everyone else does.  

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed. The pass was a normal pass that is caught for a first down if he’s not interfered with,

 

The preceding moving around and scrambling, to me, is just normal Josh though.

 

It’s okay - we are all wrong sometimes. Today is your turn.

 

How is the pass to Samuel not the right throw from the pocket?  If Allen puts the ball the outside in front of Samuel the only way it can be defended is to go through Samuel.  

 

Thats not incorrect, thats just what it is.  There was without a shadow of a doubt a window to hit Samuel, its honestly not even really debatable, its just a fact.  

[Buffalo4Life01]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

How is the pass to Samuel not the right throw from the pocket?  If Allen puts the ball the outside in front of Samuel the only way it can be defended is to go through Samuel.  

 

Thats not incorrect, thats just what it is.  There was without a shadow of a doubt a window to hit Samuel, its honestly not even really debatable, its just a fact.  

Some people will defend Allen as if he pays their mortgage.  He is a great QB and we are lucky to have him.  But he makes mistakes sometimes and he does seem to have a proclivity for making them in high leverage moments.  Love him to death and he isn't the only reason for the loss.  But he definitely was a big contributor last night.  

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, MJS said:

He played a poor game. I don't see how anyone watching could believe otherwise besides fans who have their rose colored glasses on with everything Josh Allen related.

I don’t think you watch enough NFL if you think Josh’s performance was “poor.”

 

Poor by his standards, sure. But not poor.

 

that kinda speaks to the larger part that we can’t beat the Pats without our QB playing like the best QB in football, which bodes ill.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I dont get what he was thinking on our last drive, when we made it down to the 27 yard line, and he started scrambling early and juking DLs when his check downs were open from the start.

 

It was like he was looking for a 10 point play, or the big hero ball, when we just need to keep moving the ball 3-4 yards at a time and keep the drive alive.

 

 

It seems like no could, or no one did, tell him that we didnt need to score from the 27 yard line. Just keep moving the ball, take your check downs, keep the clock moving, and run in the game winning TD with under a minute left.

 

Instead we got 3 "hero ball" shots that went no where.

 

1st play was a quick screen to Shakir that was dropped. 3rd play has already been discussed in this thread and was definitely not a hero ball play. On the contrary Allen did not throw the dangerous pass that Gonzalez was trying to bait him into. Here's the 2nd down play:

 

Everybody is running deep and is completely blanketed. Cook as the checkdown option is double covered. You can see him start his throwing motion to Cook but pulls it back, because the right most LB is in great position to drive on Cook and the ball and best case scenario is Cook gets crushed after 3 yard gain.

[KOKBILLS]

47 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I still believe Allen flat out missed the right read to Samuel from a clean pocket that would have been a TD or close to a TD. 

 

The way the play broke down and how quickly he bailed after his back leg hit and planted it's almost impossible to tell... If Josh holds right there though knowing he wants Samuel, and looks the S off, it's about as easy a 6 as he's ever going to get...