The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

Well it ended up 23 to 20, if he would have scored on that play I know I'm no mathematician but that would have put the end score at Bills 27 Pats 23, so in theory it would have sealed the game unless calculous is much different than addition & subtraction ?? 

 

And at the least if they would not have kicked the field goal and went for the TD it would have been tied and went into OT so I guess you are right in some way !

Wait are you talking about the last play of the game?  I thought you were talking about the possible throw to Samuel after Allen bailed from the pocket to soon?  The score was 20 - 17 NE and a TD there puts the Bills up 24 - 20 with a couple of minutes left.  Am I missing something?

 

 

[oldmanfan]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I am being objective here.  My dad was fine with me getting an occasional B in Calculus or Organic Chemistry. 

 

IMO QB is the toughest position to play in team sports and expecting Allen to get an A in every game is unrealistic. In fact it's evidence of a lack of objectivity and grossly distorted expectations.  But that's just my opinion.

 

When I watch a game where Kincaid gets an A, Allen earns a B and a lot of the other players get a C or D I don't have a lot of patience with those that call out Allen after the game. Even if they're factually correct in saying that if only Allen had done this instead of that on a couple of plays the Bills would have won I can't help but think of that old Biblical verse:  "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sealed the game?  With more then 2 minutes left, NE with 3 TO's and against the Bills defense?  The Pats had scored TD's on 2 of their 3 2nd half drives so the odds they would have been in the Bills red zone with a minute or more to play were pretty good.  

I have said many times today there was a ton of blame to be assigned for yesterday’s outcome.

[T master]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Wait are you talking about the last play of the game?  I thought you were talking about the possible throw to Samuel after Allen bailed from the pocket to soon?  The score was 20 - 17 NE and a TD there puts the Bills up 24 - 20 with a couple of minutes left.  Am I missing something?

 

 

Don't make me lie !!

 

I just saw one of the plays I think at the end of the game where Josh got out of the pocket and Samuel was wide open to his left . Then in some of the pictures the guy posted there were more guys much more open than the guy Josh threw to by the looks of it, I think it was just a bad Bills game all around .

 

But even though if they would have scored on that and by some small miracle the Bills D could have held and only allowed the field goal it still would have been 24 to 23 . 

 

I just know there were more than one of those plays that if Josh would have been able to see the others open the end result would have been different .

[Steptide]

I'm of the opinion that Samuel can be a pretty big play maker for us. I think Josh needs to start relying on him more 

[Pete]

I have a screen shot and Shakir is clearly interfered with.  He gets hit before the ball gets there.  The Over officious Jerk didnt call that

[MJS]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'll address your accusation that some of us fans view Allen through rose colored glasses.  But first other then your and others strange dislike of Allen there is no objective criteria that would support Allen having a poor game yesterday.  He was good but not great.  As others have said we saw Allen's B game against the Pats.

 

Now onto your point.  I have been a passionate Bills fan for over 60 years.  And it's been my privilege to have been able to root for only 2 HOF QB's in all that time - Jim Kelly & Josh Allen.  Allen is the reason the Bills have been legit SB contenders over the last 6 seasons.  He is the reason Buffalo escaped 20 years of miserable football purgatory.  On top of all that Allen is fun to watch and his effort has never flagged.   

 

For these reasons alone I deeply appreciate what Allen has meant to the Bills franchise & fan base. If ever a Bills player deserved the benefit of doubt Allen is that player.  

 

So I will never apologize for defending the greatest QB in Bills history from nit picking & snide remarks.  There have been a couple of bad games by Allen over the years but last night was not one of them and it's not viewing his performance through rose colored glasses to say that.

I disagree with you. I think many fans are quick to blame everyone else but Allen, even when he clearly plays poorly.

 

I love Josh Allen and have always been a supporter and will continue to be a supporter. I am not a negative poster. I am often defending Allen, McDermott, and others. But I call like I see it, and that means assigning blame where I see it. If Allen doesn't turn it over twice, takes open receivers, and doesn't scramble out of clean pockets, the Bills win handily. He wasn't the only problem, not by far. There were tons of other culprits as well. But he was one of them.

[Coach Tuesday]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Pats played with tremendous discipline on the scramble drills. Vrabel had them ready. They made sure Allen had no lane to run forward and they got in throwing windows or plastered themselves to guys. It doesn't help that Coleman and Shakir are the only two pass catchers we have that know how to work open on scramble drills. The rest of them look clueless when Allen leaves the pocket. Diggs was always elite in those moments and we saw last night a perfect dichotomy of what it looks like when you have that guy versus when you don't. Maye was able to scramble right and find immediate completions while Allen was forced to hold the ball forever.

This is a real downside of the “everybody eats” approach.  Hard to get everyone in total sync with Josh on the scramble drills and choice routes when you have different personnel cycling in and out on a play to play and game to game basis.  As opposed to one or two guys you can always rely on in clutch moments to be on the same page as your QB.  Yes one downside to that is that a good defense/coach can take them away and then you’re out of your comfort zone.  And another downside is that those guys want to be paid more for their high target shares and can become super disruptive about that (and I don’t totally agree with you - I do think Diggs was in Josh’s head last night).  
 

We are seeing on both sides of the ball the consequence of rotating in so many different players on the d line and skill positions.  You lower your margin for error when you do that.  

[DapperCam]

This thread should be in the dictionary next to the definition of “Monday Morning Quarterback”.

 

Allen played a “good” not “great” game. He had a 100+ passer rating, 300 yards, 2 TDs and 1 turnover (I attribute the fumble to Knox).

 

If you are watching the game, you are seeing that nobody is getting open. Allen is floating around buying time and still throwing to blanketed guys.

 

That is a “good” game from a QB. Our team can only win if our QB has a “great” game. 16 QBs had a worse passer rating than Allen this week, and 9 of them won their games. Our team only wins if Allen carries them. Otherwise they lose. In general nobody (other than Cook sometimes) is making a big play in crunch time on either side of the ball (credit to Oliver vs the Ravens, but it is rare). Other teams have QBs like Bo Nix playing terribly and still winning games against good teams on the road.

 

It’s been this way for like 3 seasons at least.

[djp14150]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Samuel doesn't actually look that open to me. 

If Allen stayed in the pocket, he was open in NFL terms. Sure yhe safety and corner would have closed in on him.  If he goes that way then the underneath receiver was another option  because thzmat corner was between those 2 receivers