My god, do you hear that? It’s Gabe Davis’ music!

[FireChans]

I fear it may be Gabe time.

 

The WRs are largely ass. Curtis Samuel is gadgety, and Shakir is still great with a hair of space, but nobody and I mean nobody can separate or give some fear deep. I’m not sure what Tyrell Shavers does outside of wearing Diggs’ number and getting a significant amount of cardio.
 

The Pats pressed all night. This was basically the 2024 Ravens defensive gameplan. They dared us to throw all over them. We could not.

 

Some folks say we need to trade for a WR. That would be nice.

 

But the answer may be on our bench right now. 
 

We need some guy to run a go or skinny post and be a bit dangerous. Can Gabe still do that?

[Kirby Jackson]

My dad and I talked about it last night after the game. Pretty much exactly what you said…

[ClemsonBills]

If you didn't like Tre White last night (as you should if you watched). You aren't going to like Gabe lol.

[chef4131]

Collinsworth mentioned several times last night on how much time/protection Josh had to throw the ball,  I cant help but keep thinking that our receivers cant get open or create any separation.  This is and has been an ongoing issue for years.  I was hoping Palmer would help but its obvious he cant separate either.  I dont like the Flea Flicker call but I understand Bradys need to manufacture separation for the receivers.  

[Pecker]

Did Gabe Davis miss last season due to a dual hand replacement? If not, then he won’t be the answer.

[Pecker]

Josh had time on play action passes, but he was pressured quite a bit otherwise, especially in the first half.  This was yet another “wtf, Collinsworth must be drunk again” moment.
 

but to answer your question, our WRs have been total crap for 3 seasons now. 

[GunnerBill]

Yea the pass protection last night was not a problem. The difference in the game was out of structure Diggs got open for Maye. Out of structure nobody separated for Josh. 

 

Sad as it is Stef would still be WR1 on this team. 

[colin]

The combination of the wrs and our scheme basically blows.  The resources put into keon, Samuels, planer and shakir have given us a group that is a plus matchup vs not one team we have faced, and we've faced some bad defenses.

 

On the contrary, our backs are almost never covered well, and our tight ends have been super productive with not so many targets for the year, are blocking like they never have, have produced in high leverage situations, and we are three deep at the position.  In addition (last night not withstanding) our run game has been a monster, our pass blocking gives Allen a tin of time in a regular basis, and we have the MVP and most talented QB alive.

 

My conclusion is that we should not have as our of a barely any experience guy at OC, who's only resume bullet prior to here was being near the worst in the NFL on a garbage team that got blow up, and maybe have a guy who can form a cohesive identity and actually stick with what works.

 

New England smoked us late because they figured out what was working and stuck with it, while we kept playing everyone eats and trotting out new formations and personnel groupings leading to penalties and inconsistency, did very little play action, and threw multiple passes to small slow wrs in the middle and to covered guys on the outside into the strength of the NE defense.

 

For all the mistakes we made, taking away 3 stupid screen or iso passes to wrs in the second half and targeting our tight ends would have produced another 7-10 points and we walk away the same way we walked away from the Miami and saints games.  We are just too dumb

[Mr. WEO]

but....EVERYBODY EATS!!

[Pecker]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

but....EVERYBODY EATS!!

I’d be fine with everybody eats, but having anorexic WRs is a problem.  We need a Joey chestnut 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, colin said:

The combination of the wrs and our scheme basically blows.  The resources put into keon, Samuels, planer and shakir have given us a group that is a plus matchup vs not one team we have faced, and we've faced some bad defenses.

 

On the contrary, our backs are almost never covered well, and our tight ends have been super productive with not so many targets for the year, are blocking like they never have, have produced in high leverage situations, and we are three deep at the position.  In addition (last night not withstanding) our run game has been a monster, our pass blocking gives Allen a tin of time in a regular basis, and we have the MVP and most talented QB alive.

 

My conclusion is that we should not have as our of a barely any experience guy at OC, who's only resume bullet prior to here was being near the worst in the NFL on a garbage team that got blow up, and maybe have a guy who can form a cohesive identity and actually stick with what works.

 

New England smoked us late because they figured out what was working and stuck with it, while we kept playing everyone eats and trotting out new formations and personnel groupings leading to penalties and inconsistency, did very little play action, and threw multiple passes to small slow wrs in the middle and to covered guys on the outside into the strength of the NE defense.

 

For all the mistakes we made, taking away 3 stupid screen or iso passes to wrs in the second half and targeting our tight ends would have produced another 7-10 points and we walk away the same way we walked away from the Miami and saints games.  We are just too dumb

 

I don't have the numbers but I felt like the Bills ran lots of play action last night. What they failed to do playcalling wise was just stick to the middle of the field. Kincaid, Knox and Shakir inside was their advantage. I felt like they finally got to it on the penultimate drive but it had been crying out for more of that sooner. There are teams who try and take the middle away against the Bills and force them to their below average receivers on the outside. This was the opposite. The Pats didn't want to give up the outside they were trying to dare us to stay patient in the middle of the field and we just didn't for the most part.

[Gregg]

The only players on the Bills offense that teams worry about from the skill positions are Allen and Cook. Our WR's are average. I would love a Jefferson, Chase, G. Wilson, Cee-Dee on the Bills but we just don't have one.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Yea the pass protection last night was not a problem. The difference in the game was out of structure Diggs got open for Maye. Out of structure nobody separated for Josh. 

 

Sad as it is Stef would still be WR1 on this team. 

Yup. 
 

the problem is our everybody eats is a case of nobody is quite good enough not that we have so many stars 

 

 

[colin]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't have the numbers but I felt like the Bills ran lots of play action last night. What they failed to do playcalling wise was just stick to the middle of the field. Kincaid, Knox and Shakir inside was their advantage. I felt like they finally got to it on the penultimate drive but it had been crying out for more of that sooner. There are teams who try and take the middle away against the Bills and force them to their below average receivers on the outside. This was the opposite. The Pats didn't want to give up the outside they were trying to dare us to stay patient in the middle of the field and we just didn't for the most part.

 

There might have been some, but in high leverage situations we either tried fast screens which suck, passes for rear shoulder or jump balls to the outside, or stuff broke down and Allen ran around and found no one.

 

We have top 5 or top 3 groups at QB, RB, OL, and TE.  It really shouldn't be hard to figure out a way to feature that until the d wises up.

 

I remember Miami had like 3-4 Dts and a bear front vs our heavy jumbo stuff and shut it, and instead of doing something different out of those looks we sort of put it in the back burner for the last two and a half games, but it still works when we run it.

 

 

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't have the numbers but I felt like the Bills ran lots of play action last night. What they failed to do playcalling wise was just stick to the middle of the field. Kincaid, Knox and Shakir inside was their advantage. I felt like they finally got to it on the penultimate drive but it had been crying out for more of that sooner. There are teams who try and take the middle away against the Bills and force them to their below average receivers on the outside. This was the opposite. The Pats didn't want to give up the outside they were trying to dare us to stay patient in the middle of the field and we just didn't for the most part.

all game I was yelling go between the numbers. 
 

inexplicably they really tried to do the perimeter thing and downfield stuff more to the WRs today 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, NoSaint said:

all game I was yelling go between the numbers. 
 

inexplicably they really tried to do the perimeter thing and downfield stuff more to the WRs today 

 

Yep. I did not think Brady had a good game. The two touchdown plays were nice calls but they struggled for rhythm, I know the penalties made it hard but they got away from Cook without ever really making New England stop him and they kept trying to to attack outside. That isn't our strength anyway and it also wasn't where the opportunity was. That penultimate drive was pretty much all middle of the field and they waltzed right down and scored. That had been there all day. 

[dorquemada]

I'm not sure we've got the kind of players on O that are going to succeed in the High Gimmick Offense.  Obviously WAY too many penalties last night, and one of the reasons for that is Brady is asking guys to do stuff outside their skillset.  Let's ease off the 3 players in motion double reverse hidden dragon BS and try just running football plays and see what happens.  

 

The other thing that I took from last night, and really most of this season, is that there's no longer a downfield passing game. We have a generational talent at QB and the gameplan looks like something you could plug Mac Jones into with 80% of the same success.  I hate it, honestly.  At least Alabama played a solid game Saturday.

[Since1981]

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

but....EVERYBODY EATS!!

 

everybody eats…meh, oatmeal. WR1 Diggs ate surf/turf. 

[Niagara Dude]

59 minutes ago, chef4131 said:

Collinsworth mentioned several times last night on how much time/protection Josh had to throw the ball,  I cant help but keep thinking that our receivers cant get open or create any separation.  This is and has been an ongoing issue for years.  I was hoping Palmer would help but its obvious he cant separate either.  I dont like the Flea Flicker call but I understand Bradys need to manufacture separation for the receivers.  

Beane promised media after trading Diggs that he would replace him and did little to nothing and just kept investing picks/resources into a defence that still sucks and can't get the QB on the ground

[Don Otreply]

34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

but....EVERYBODY EATS!!

I’m still hungry damn it!