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5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Beane gets too much of a pass for the rosters he puts together around Josh. 

 

I'm guilty. I always think he's done a "good job."

 

But we have so many players who are just capable.  The lack of star talent gets more glaring every year.

 

[HappyDays]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't have the numbers but I felt like the Bills ran lots of play action last night. What they failed to do playcalling wise was just stick to the middle of the field. Kincaid, Knox and Shakir inside was their advantage. I felt like they finally got to it on the penultimate drive but it had been crying out for more of that sooner. There are teams who try and take the middle away against the Bills and force them to their below average receivers on the outside. This was the opposite. The Pats didn't want to give up the outside they were trying to dare us to stay patient in the middle of the field and we just didn't for the most part.

 

Just watched Joe Marino's all-22 review. He said we caught the Pats defense in their base personnel on 14 plays but only passed on 2 of them. Those 2 passes were both completions to Kincaid for over 20 yards each.

 

We definitely did not make it a point to take advantage of their weak coverage LBs like we should have. We instead weirdly tried to target their CBs which is the strength of their defense. Like on the 2nd and 10 on our final series the first read is Coleman running vertical against Gonzalez, and that's just not gonna get it done in crunch time. I think Brady has mostly done a very good job of leaning into our strengths but he overthought this week's gameplan. Should have kept peppering Kincaid with targets and needed to establish the run more with Cook in the 2nd half.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Beane gets too much of a pass for the rosters he puts together around Josh. 

Not from this fan he doesn't. I've been wanting him and the ginger canned for like four years 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Not from this fan he doesn't. I've been wanting him and the ginger canned for like four years 

And the melon farmer traded. You want that too.

[T master]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

I fear it may be Gabe time.

 

The WRs are largely ass. Curtis Samuel is gadgety, and Shakir is still great with a hair of space, but nobody and I mean nobody can separate or give some fear deep. I’m not sure what Tyrell Shavers does outside of wearing Diggs’ number and getting a significant amount of cardio.
 

The Pats pressed all night. This was basically the 2024 Ravens defensive gameplan. They dared us to throw all over them. We could not.

 

Some folks say we need to trade for a WR. That would be nice.

 

But the answer may be on our bench right now. 
 

We need some guy to run a go or skinny post and be a bit dangerous. Can Gabe still do that?

But there were guys open all night and Josh got rattled in the first quarter and missed seeing the open guys by getting out of the pocket to quick in some instances . 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Low Positive said:

And the melon farmer traded. You want that too.

 

Depends on the week 

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Just watched Joe Marino's all-22 review. He said we caught the Pats defense in their base personnel on 14 plays but only passed on 2 of them. Those 2 passes were both completions to Kincaid for over 20 yards each.

 

We definitely did not make it a point to take advantage of their weak coverage LBs like we should have. We instead weirdly tried to target their CBs which is the strength of their defense. Like on the 2nd and 10 on our final series the first read is Coleman running vertical against Gonzalez, and that's just not gonna get it done in crunch time. I think Brady has mostly done a very good job of leaning into our strengths but he overthought this week's gameplan. Should have kept peppering Kincaid with targets and needed to establish the run more with Cook in the 2nd half.

I think part of Brady's stratagem of everybody eats, he's also stuck on "everybody plays".  He says he doesn't do that, but it seems to me he tries to get playing time for everyone, irrespective of whether or not they are producing when they are on the field.   We need to play our best 11 on offense and use the backups only when the starter needs a blow or is injured.

[boyst]

I don't know that it works to get us over the hump.

 

The only WR who's gonna make a difference is one the Jags cut because he was lousy on a team with no WRs to begin with?

 

We need to consider a serious trade. The kid from New Orleans. Tell him to prove himself and he will get a real contract. 

[SirAndrew]

Our receivers are rubbish. I started to notice these guys don’t even make their way back to the QB when Allen scrambles. There were several occasions on Allen scrambles where they continued to drift deeper. I wasn’t even very impressed with Shakir last night. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Just watched Joe Marino's all-22 review. He said we caught the Pats defense in their base personnel on 14 plays but only passed on 2 of them. Those 2 passes were both completions to Kincaid for over 20 yards each.

 

We definitely did not make it a point to take advantage of their weak coverage LBs like we should have. We instead weirdly tried to target their CBs which is the strength of their defense. Like on the 2nd and 10 on our final series the first read is Coleman running vertical against Gonzalez, and that's just not gonna get it done in crunch time. I think Brady has mostly done a very good job of leaning into our strengths but he overthought this week's gameplan. Should have kept peppering Kincaid with targets and needed to establish the run more with Cook in the 2nd half.

the game plan should have been passes to the TEs and backs all night. Kincaid legitimately could have caught 20 passes. 
 

what’s frustrating is that everyone knew this coming into this game. 

[Walking Tall]

8 hours ago, Sweats said:

The teams been exposed.........neutralize Allen, Cook and Kincaid and our O is stagnant.

 

Run heavy against us, don't get any pressure on opposing QB's and let your WR's find the soft spot.

 

It's the same ole shite every season.

Want to make A wager on how many teams are able to neutralize those three?

 

[SirAndrew]

9 hours ago, BillzFreak said:

Everybody eats but we don't have that guy who wants that last slice of pizza. Instead we have guys who go, there's one more slice anyone want it. No one is showing josh they want to be that guy he looks to when a play needs to be made. I'm not even talking about the talent of the position I'm talking about the mentality of it. You saw Diggs wanted that ball he needed that ball. Maye saw that and looked his way every time even if he happened to be covered.

Everybody ate last night, but the food sucked. 

[BillzFreak]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

I don't know that it works to get us over the hump.

 

The only WR who's gonna make a difference is one the Jags cut because he was lousy on a team with no WRs to begin with?

 

We need to consider a serious trade. The kid from New Orleans. Tell him to prove himself and he will get a real contract. 

But beane will never do it...he will call ask about it so the media can leak it like he is trying to do something to make the team better. Basically he got on the radio and admitted the approach there going with is everybody eats, for him to go and trade for a receiver now admits he was wrong and he won't admit it. So basically it's his pride holding him back instead of putting it aside and addressing a clear and obvious problem on this football team.

[HappyDays]

Just now, jkeerie said:

We need to play our best 11 on offense and use the backups only when the starter needs a blow or is injured.

 

Part of the problem with our offensive roster is it's hard to say who the best pass catchers are. Most teams you can look at them and say he's your #1, he's your #2, he's your #3. Ours changes on a week to week basis. The Bills have promoted this as a good thing, "everybody eats" etc., but the problem is every now and then you need A guy that can just make it happen. The last two seasons when the Bills have been in do or die time and needed to pass downfield to score a game winning TD, they haven't had a lot of success. The Ravens final drive was awesome but that is proving to be more the exception than the rule and it turns out the Ravens have a crap defense in any case. So either Allen puts on his Superman cape or else we just don't have a consistent ability to win in those moments through creative play calling or through top tier talent. And do we think it's likely we make it through an entire playoff and Super Bowl run without needing to win in at least a couple of those moments? I certainly don't.

[Low Positive]

Just now, boyst said:

I don't know that it works to get us over the hump.

 

The only WR who's gonna make a difference is one the Jags cut because he was lousy on a team with no WRs to begin with?

 

We need to consider a serious trade. The kid from New Orleans. Tell him to prove himself and he will get a real contract. 

They cut him because he was injured and they had too many bountry WRs with BTJ and Travis Hunter, not because they had no WRs. But yeah, it's not like adding a #1 WR. But #1 WRs are beginning to be like OTs, in that if they are any good and not nutcases teams keep them at all costs. Even Mike Brown paid up. At this point, if you offered the Vikings Josh Allen for Justin Jefferson I think they say no.

 

If what you want is a star WR, you had better hope for Beane, McDermott, and Brady to get fired and Josh Allen to get a season-ending injury because it wouild take a different team building philosphy and a very high draft pick. The 4 wins we have this year might already be too many.  I don't want any of that to happen, but I want a study WR as bad as anyone. I live in Cincinnati, and because the Bills play in primetime so much, I see Ja'Marr Chase on a weekly basis on my TV.  I think he's the best player in football. He scored a TD yesterday (in a loss) that no one in Bills history would have scored, where he put a crossover move on a CB and almost made him fall down. If we have to lose, at least let us watch that.  

[jkeerie]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Part of the problem with our offensive roster is it's hard to say who the best pass catchers are. Most teams you can look at them and say he's your #1, he's your #2, he's your #3. Ours changes on a week to week basis. The Bills have promoted this as a good thing, "everybody eats" etc., but the problem is every now and then you need A guy that can just make it happen. The last two seasons when the Bills have been in do or die time and needed to pass downfield to score a game winning TD, they haven't had a lot of success. The Ravens final drive was awesome but that is proving to be more the exception than the rule and it turns out the Ravens have a crap defense in any case. So either Allen puts on his Superman cape or else we just don't have a consistent ability to win in those moments through creative play calling or through top tier talent. And do we think it's likely we make it through an entire playoff and Super Bowl run without needing to win in at least a couple of those moments? I certainly don't.

Definitely agree with you.  Look at the difference Diggs made for the Pats.  Without him, the Pats don't move the ball.  We have a bunch of 2's and 3's at WR not a number 1 who can make the 2's and 3's effective by drawing coverage while making a big play here and there.  Last night revealed it most clearly.

[BillsPride12]

Jeremy White was right all along 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

But I was told that Josh Palmer was a stud that could get seperation...

 

For some reason Coleman gets all the criticism (and by and large most of it is warranted) but Palmer gets away with his Invisible Man performances. We paid him $10M AAV to be our true outside separator and a legit top 3 option. Instead he's only been on the field for 48% of snaps which means he isn't earning a larger share. He's on pace for 41 catches, 592 yards, and 0 TDs. What happened to all those advanced analytics that told us he was an elite separator and route runner? If he doesn't turn it around soon he'll go down as another disappointing FA signing by Beane, at a position that we just refuse to throw more than the bare minimum amount of resources at.

[HappyDays]

44 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I wasn’t even very impressed with Shakir last night. 

 

Shakir is a role player. He isn't a traditional slot player that you can feed normal targets to. He's not a great route runner and his size gives him natural limitations against physical coverage. He's somewhat emblematic of the WR room as a whole in the sense that he can do his one thing really well, but he can't be relied upon on a down to down basis. That being said I'd like it if Brady could find a way to scheme him more plays. There are more ways to get the ball into his hands than just quick screens.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by HappyDays

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

For some reason Coleman gets all the criticism (and by and large most of it is warranted) but Palmer gets away with his Invisible Man performances. We paid him $10M AAV to be our true outside separator and a legit top 3 option. Instead he's only been on the field for 48% of snaps which means he isn't earning a larger share. He's on pace for 41 catches, 592 yards, and 0 TDs. What happened to all those advanced analytics that told us he was an elite separator and route runner? If he doesn't turn it around soon he'll go down as another disappointing FA signing by Beane, at a position that we just refuse to throw more than the bare minimum amount of resources at.

What we don't talk about enough is that they are trying to build a diva-free WR room. You can't do that, because all the good ones are divas.  One of the most important jobs of an NFL coach is managing the egos of the players. If you can't manage a WR with a rapper/influencer girlfriend and 3 lambos, you can't be an NFL coach. It's in the job description.