Keon WTF?

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’d probably have Stevie Johnson ahead of Evans as well. Evans, at his best, was a better WR but feel like Stevie had a better career here. Can you even imagine how good he would be with Josh. That dude just got open and often it was unconventional. Josh would be running around and Johnson would shake free for 25. 
 

Wrs of the last 30 years:

1. Diggs

2. Moulds

3. Stevie

4. Evans

5. Beasley

6. Price

7. Brown

8. Gabe

9. Sammy

10. Shakir

It would look something like this with Robert Woods and Josh Reed as the next 2. 

I do think that when Sammy was on, he was a far more talented player than almost everyone here. But he often wasn't on because of injuries. He was a disappointment, to be sure, but I would bet a fair amount of money that just about every team in the league had him rated as high as the Bills did. He was ridiculously talented (physically) and ridiculously productive in college. His 2015 season -- over 1,000 yards, 9 TDs, and 17.5 ypr in just 13 games -- has only been matched by Diggs and Moulds. Moulds's 1998 season is probably the best WR season in team history, and he was awesome the next year too (although he missed time due to a hamstring). Diggs's 2020 season is up there too.

 

Interest thing about Sammy: he bounced around a bit afterward, but the coaches that went after him and paid him--McVay, Reid, Harbaugh, Lafleur--all know offensive talent and the passing game. Just a disappointing career.   

 

Final interesting fact about Watkins: he played in 8 playoff games, and his numbers extrapolated to 17 games turn out to be 57 catches for 1,088 yards (19.0 ypr), 2 TDs, and 45 catches for first downs.

Edited yesterday at 05:58 PM by dave mcbride

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I do think that when Sammy was on, he was a far more talented player than almost everyone here. But he often wasn't on because of injuries. He was a disappointment, to be sure, but I would bet a fair amount of money that just about every team in the league had him rated as high as the Bills did. He was ridiculously talented (physically) and ridiculously productive in college. His 2015 season -- over 1,000 yards, 9 TDs, and 17.5 ypr in just 13 games -- has only been matched by Diggs and Moulds. Moulds's 1998 season is probably the best WR season in team history, and he was awesome the next year too (although he missed time due to a hamstring). Diggs's 2020 season is up there too.

 

Interest thing about Sammy: he bounced around a bit afterward, but the coaches that went after him and paid him--McVay, Reid, Harbaugh, Lafleur--all know offensive talent and the passing game. Just a disappointing career.   

 

Final interesting fact about Watkins: he played in 8 playoff games, and his numbers extrapolated to 17 games turn out to be 57 catches for 1,088 yards (19.0 ypr), 2 TDs, and 45 catches for first downs.

Yeah, Sammy was the toughest placement for me. In terms of talent, he belongs at the top (or near it). He was hurt and lazy when he was here. He had flashes of brilliance but nowhere near what his talent showed. Go back and watch the Clemson/OSU Orange Bowl from his last year. He was unstoppable 16/227/2!!

 

 

[Cash]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Please do not ever use Keon and Moulds in the same sentence.  Moulds showed many signs of breaking out before his third year.  Moulds and Lee Evan’s are the best Bills WR the past 30 years 

What examples do you have in mind? Not trying to be a jerk, but that doesn’t line up with my recollection at all. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Cash said:

What examples do you have in mind? Not trying to be a jerk, but that doesn’t line up with my recollection at all. 

Kickoff returns for TDs.  You saw glimpses of speed and power.  He was disappointing his first two years, then became one of the greatest WRs of Bills History.
 

 If only we could have prime Moulds playing with prime Josh.

The greatest Bills WR playing with ***** QBs.  Now we have the Bills greatest QB playing with ***** WRs.  

[Cash]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Kickoff returns for TDs.  You saw glimpses of speed and power.  He was disappointing his first two years, then became one of the greatest WRs of Bills History.
 

 If only we could have prime Moulds playing with prime Josh.

The greatest Bills WR playing with ***** QBs.  Now we have the Bills greatest QB playing with ***** WRs.  

Fair point with the kick returns! I was thinking WR specific and initially drew a blank. I still can’t think of anything impressive Moulds showed from scrimmage those first two years, but it was a while ago obviously. 

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Kickoff returns for TDs.  You saw glimpses of speed and power.  He was disappointing his first two years, then became one of the greatest WRs of Bills History.
 

 If only we could have prime Moulds playing with prime Josh.

The greatest Bills WR playing with ***** QBs.  Now we have the Bills greatest QB playing with ***** WRs.  

Does Keon have the same skill set?  Maybe he needs couple years?  I have no clue about Mould’s speed. He was my favorite player for years. 

[dave mcbride]

7 hours ago, Cash said:

What examples do you have in mind? Not trying to be a jerk, but that doesn’t line up with my recollection at all. 

Moulds sucked in his first two seasons and couldn’t run a route with consistency to save his life. This isn’t actually debatable.

14 hours ago, Pete said:

Please do not ever use Keon and Moulds in the same sentence.  Moulds showed many signs of breaking out before his third year.  Moulds and Lee Evan’s are the best Bills WR the past 30 years 

No he didn’t. He was terrible in year 2 and I am old enough to remember every game.

[uticaclub]

25 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Moulds sucked in his first two seasons and couldn’t run a route with consistency to save his life. This isn’t actually debatable.

No he didn’t. He was terrible in year 2 and I am old enough to remember every game.

 

Moulds was a non-factor the first two years & didn't break out until his third year. However, the NFL in 1996 was completely different from what it is now. Teams were much more patient with draft picks. Also, Moulds played behind a Hall of famer, while Coleman was just supposed to be the man.

Edited 19 hours ago by uticaclub

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

 

Moulds was a non-factor the first two years & didn't break out until his third year. However, the NFL in 1996 was completely different from what it is now. Teams were much more patient with draft picks. Also, Moulds played behind a Hall of famer, while Coleman was just supposed to be the man.

 he was getting out snapped by Quinn early

Edited 18 hours ago by Buffalo716

[uticaclub]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 he was getting out snapped by Quinn early

He was getting outpaced by Quinn Early early on. How could anyone forget Quinn Early? This shows that sometimes players take time to develop, which is acceptable during a rebuild. We need guys who can contribute immediately, not potentially in 2027. Also, in the age of social media, we see more of Coleman’s personality, like showing up all iced up and then catching 3 passes, while no one knew what Moulds was really like.

[Brandon]

13 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Does Keon have the same skill set?  Maybe he needs couple years?  I have no clue about Mould’s speed. He was my favorite player for years. 

 

To my recollection,  they're not that similar.  Moulds' timed speed probably wasn't much faster,  mid 4.5s or so,  but otherwise,  he was freakishly athletic.  Instant acceleration and short area quickness to generate separation,   elite contact balance, play strength,  and general RAC ability,  with good enough on field speed to be a vertical threat downfield.   And he played with an attitude to match.  

 

I don't think Keon rises much above average in any of those areas and maybe isn't even that in a couple.  In fairness to Keon,  though, that's a tough comparison for anyone to win.  There is no doubt in my mind that Eric Moulds is the most talented WR the Bills have had in the 35 or so years I've been watching football.  It's not particularly close,  either.  

Edited 10 hours ago by Brandon

[dayman]

Stevie Johnson was good. Salsa dancing his way to a great NFL career

[Billschinatown]

16 minutes ago, dayman said:

Stevie Johnson was good. Salsa dancing his way to a great NFL career

Stevie Johnson was better than good. Of course i respect physical freaks like Calvin Johnson for being some of the greatest ever, but Stevie Johnson did it as a below average NFL athlete. That's way more impressive. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Billschinatown

[Pete]

5 hours ago, dayman said:

Stevie Johnson was good. Salsa dancing his way to a great NFL career

I loved how Stevie had big games against Revis Island.  Revis shut down most everyone but Stevie.  Stevie would do a crossover move and lose Revis, for years.  It was awesome 

[reddogblitz]

On 10/24/2025 at 9:23 AM, Pete said:

Yo Beane get us a real wide receiver like Eric Moulds- not these tomato cans you draft and find from scrap heaps. This is what real WR does in the playoffs-

https://youtu.be/D3C8hLa6i0I

 

 

Yeah buddy.  Could also be a good video for Brady and Josh to watch about how to beat a blitz.