For all you McDermott haters, who would you want?

[JAMIEBUF12]

JOE BRADY,

Kick Mcdermott upstairs.

I love Mcdermott ,but his defensive philosophy of undersized defensive tackles and rotating them clearly has never stopped the run since he got here.

[Billsfanatic8989]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Again.  McDermott's defenses have given up 1 more point a game in the playoffs than Belichicks.  Again, the argument is today, at 73 years old that Belichick could do better with Allen than McDermott, he couldnt.  Again, the super genius is now 83-101 in games without Brady.  He's made the NFL playoffs in 3 of 11 seasons without Brady.   What other proof do you guys need to show Belichick is a sub .500 coach without Tom Brady.    No one is on Brady's level, but there is a QB in the AFC West who is going to be close by the time he ends his career.  

Yes he stunk without Brady. But the issue of an elite QB would not exist here. He has Allen. For the record, I would have mixed feelings about hiring him.

 

Mahomes vs Brady debate will go on for years. The question is does Mahomes have to win more SB's than Brady to be considered the Goat. More MVP awards? Better stats? I don't know what the criteria is. 

[corta765]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I have been on record, for a few years, that I’m not as concerned about the who. I advocated for Sean Payton before he went to Denver. I’m of the belief that, pretty much any quality coach (and GM) could do what this regime has with Josh Allen as QB. I no longer accept, “it’s hard to win in this league” when KC bounces you in the playoffs. You have to find a way while you have that unicorn at QB. You may lose another game or two in the regular season because you aren’t as organized but, in exchange, you may not pee down your leg when facing Reid/Mahomes/Spags.

 

I’ve been a Beane defender for a while. Since Schoen left, he’s done a lousy job. His philosophy is flawed. It isn’t flawed that you build the lines first. It’s flawed in that you should arm Josh first not continue throwing assets at the trash DL because you failed at building it. His failure at WR was on full display last night. Forget about guys that can block like Hollins or Coleman or Shavers and focus on guys who can get open!! Josh will get them the ball. I am frustrated today. 

 

Bingo.

 

When the result feels like the AFC title again in terms of errors mistakes and most importantly if the offense is not averaging 30+ a game you can't win idk what to say anymore with the coach. His baby is being a defensive yet the results have gotten worse regular season wise over time and post season its pathetic. Why are just burning years of Josh's career when no result has changed from not making the SB to not even getting the 1 seed. Beane I tend to agree but I have also wondered how much is McD's input on guys he wants and then Beane shops for them. Again his hit rate in rounds 2-3 is just atrocious and part of why the defense is so shaky when most of those resources have been towards D.

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I have been on record, for a few years, that I’m not as concerned about the who. I advocated for Sean Payton before he went to Denver. I’m of the belief that, pretty much any quality coach (and GM) could do what this regime has with Josh Allen as QB. I no longer accept, “it’s hard to win in this league” when KC bounces you in the playoffs. You have to find a way while you have that unicorn at QB. You may lose another game or two in the regular season because you aren’t as organized but, in exchange, you may not pee down your leg when facing Reid/Mahomes/Spags.

 

I’ve been a Beane defender for a while. Since Schoen left, he’s done a lousy job. His philosophy is flawed. It isn’t flawed that you build the lines first. It’s flawed in that you should arm Josh first not continue throwing assets at the trash DL because you failed at building it. His failure at WR was on full display last night. Forget about guys that can block like Hollins or Coleman or Shavers and focus on guys who can get open!! Josh will get them the ball. I am frustrated today. 

 

I think a lot about Dungy in Tampa lately. 

 

Gruden comes in and finishes the job, but then it sort of falls apart, because the systems that were built are not sustained. 

 

Guys like McDermott could coach here for Allen's entire career and every season will pretty much look the same until playoffs. Then it's anyone's guess, but the results have not been great given what we have at QB and the way Allen has elevated his game in the playoffs. 

 

Coaches like McDermott build systems that are rock solid and win consistently in the regular season. But the defense is not very imaginative and just does what it does, which works well enough until it doesn't. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, LarryMadman said:

I'm convinced McDermott want WR who are blockers first catchers second to play within his complimentary game manager style offense because that is exactaly what we have.

100% agree. It was how the Panthers operated too. They need to stop asking Josh to make bad players better and allow Josh to maximize his unique ability with talented pass catchers.

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

 

I think a lot about Dungy in Tampa lately. 

 

Gruden comes in and finishes the job, but then it sort of falls apart, because the systems that were built are not sustained. 

 

Guys like McDermott could coach here for Allen's entire career and every season will pretty much look the same until playoffs. Then it's anyone's guess, but the results have not been great given what we have at QB and the way Allen has elevated his game in the playoffs. 

 

Coaches like McDermott build systems that are rock solid and win consistently in the regular season. But the defense is not very imaginative and just does what it does, which works well enough until it doesn't. 

Fantastic post

[thenorthremembers]

2 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Yes he stunk without Brady. But the issue of an elite QB would not exist here. He has Allen. For the record, I would have mixed feelings about hiring him.

 

Mahomes vs Brady debate will go on for years. The question is does Mahomes have to win more SB's than Brady to be considered the Goat. More MVP awards? Better stats? I don't know what the criteria is. 

 

He needs to have a similar amount of Super Bowls and MVPs, and better stats.   He likely ends up the 2nd best of all time because there will never be another Brady in terms of intelligence, accuracy, longevity and winning. 

 

On the first point, its not about "elite QB."   Its about the best ever.

[Avisan]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I have been on record, for a few years, that I’m not as concerned about the who. I advocated for Sean Payton before he went to Denver. I’m of the belief that, pretty much any quality coach (and GM) could do what this regime has with Josh Allen as QB. I no longer accept, “it’s hard to win in this league” when KC bounces you in the playoffs. You have to find a way while you have that unicorn at QB. You may lose another game or two in the regular season because you aren’t as organized but, in exchange, you may not pee down your leg when facing Reid/Mahomes/Spags.

 

I’ve been a Beane defender for a while. Since Schoen left, he’s done a lousy job. His philosophy is flawed. It isn’t flawed that you build the lines first. It’s flawed in that you should arm Josh first not continue throwing assets at the trash DL because you failed at building it. His failure at WR was on full display last night. Forget about guys that can block like Hollins or Coleman or Shavers and focus on guys who can get open!! Josh will get them the ball. I am frustrated today. 

Sean Payton is always a fascinating response to me.  He had prime Drew Brees and missed the playoffs several time and while it's great he walked away with a ring, it was one singular ring while playing in a conference without a dynasty team.

 

I don't think there's much to suggest that Payton would be a guy to take the Bills over the top, the Brees/Payton Saints were a worse overall team than the Bills despite Brees being an elite QB.  And I think it would be folly to say that Allen is definitively a better QB than prime Brees.

[H2o]

12 minutes ago, LarryMadman said:

Schottenheimer never had a Josh Allen

No, but he had Phillip Rivers, top shelf Ladanian Tomlinson, prime Antonio Gates, prime Vincent Jackson, Keenan McCardell, Quinten Jammer, prime steroid Shawn Merriman, and Shaun Phillips. One could say that the SD team he had in 2006 was more talented overall than ours. But McDunce has wasted A LOT of time with the same style, rhetoric, and results. 

[thenorthremembers]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

No, but he had Phillip Rivers, top shelf Ladanian Tomlinson, prime Antonio Gates, prime Vincent Jackson, Keenan McCardell, Quinten Jammer, prime steroid Shawn Merriman, and Shaun Phillips. One could say that the SD team he had in 2006 was more talented overall than ours. But McDunce has wasted A LOT of time with the same style, rhetoric, and results. 

 

I think you need to look at Schottenheimers playoff record and compare it to McDermotts before anyone makes comparisons between the two. 

[Chandler#81]

44 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

What do you see that makes you think he is Head Coach material? I've never even seen him standing on the sidelines. I don't see much innovation or anything special other than no. 17 taking over the game at times.

Fair question. He’s a very hot commodity in the League and will be enticed again to take a HC gig somewhere next offseason. McDermott was just a coordinator before he got here. So was Belichek, Walsh and a hundred others. He’s gained a reputation where he can select coordinators and assistants. When your expertise is in one faction, you talk with your people regarding who best to woo onboard. Given it’s Sean we’re talking about, GM may also be an immediate need. 
Look, I’m not saying McBeane needs/should go. Brady just need to be a consideration before we let him go to the highest bidder. Cuz he’s gonna, I’m sure.

 

Maybe Assistant HC..

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Sean Payton is always a fascinating response to me.  He had prime Drew Brees and missed the playoffs several time and while it's great he walked away with a ring, it was one singular ring while playing in a conference without a dynasty team.

 

I don't think there's much to suggest that Payton would be a guy to take the Bills over the top, the Brees/Payton Saints were a worse overall team than the Bills despite Brees being an elite QB.  And I think it would be folly to say that Allen is definitively a better QB than prime Brees.

If you take away, the worst call in NFL History (literally voted the worst call ever), he plays for a 2nd and likely wins it. Payton turned around a doormat in Denver and had a crazy run with Brees. I’d take 1 (should be 2) Super Bowls and a couple of missed playoffs over getting bounced by KC every year. The goal is to win a championship -period. It’s not about being competitive for a lot of years. You’re in year 8 of Josh Allen as your QB. You’ve never even played for a title. That’s a failure. You cannot continue to let years tick off his career. The window closes some each year that he doesn’t get there. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you take away, the worst call in NFL History (literally voted the worst call ever), he plays for a 2nd and likely wins it. Payton turned around a doormat in Denver and had a crazy run with Brees. I’d take 1 (should be 2) Super Bowls and a couple of missed playoffs over getting bounced by KC every year. The goal is to win a championship -period. It’s not about being competitive for a lot of years. You’re in year 8 of Josh Allen as your QB. You’ve never even played for a title. That’s a failure. You cannot continue to let years tick off his career. The window closes some each year that he doesn’t get there. 

to never even get into the game at this stage is wild. 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you take away, the worst call in NFL History (literally voted the worst call ever), he plays for a 2nd and likely wins it. Payton turned around a doormat in Denver and had a crazy run with Brees. I’d take 1 (should be 2) Super Bowls and a couple of missed playoffs over getting bounced by KC every year. The goal is to win a championship -period. It’s not about being competitive for a lot of years. You’re in year 8 of Josh Allen as your QB. You’ve never even played for a title. That’s a failure. You cannot continue to let years tick off his career. The window closes some each year that he doesn’t get there. 

 

Allen's career is going down the same path as Marino's and Ewing's. Actually, worse since Marino played in a Super Bowl and Ewing played in an NBA Finals.

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you take away, the worst call in NFL History (literally voted the worst call ever), he plays for a 2nd and likely wins it. Payton turned around a doormat in Denver and had a crazy run with Brees. I’d take 1 (should be 2) Super Bowls and a couple of missed playoffs over getting bounced by KC every year. The goal is to win a championship -period. It’s not about being competitive for a lot of years. You’re in year 8 of Josh Allen as your QB. You’ve never even played for a title. That’s a failure. You cannot continue to let years tick off his career. The window closes some each year that he doesn’t get there. 

McDermott turned around a doormat, too.

 

Did Payton have a "crazy run" with Brees?  How are you measuring that?  He had the best QB in the NFC for basically the entirety of prime Brees.

 

The Bills likely would have been playing for a chip last year if the refs weren't screwing them on spots all night.

 

I think there are fair questions to be had regarding the McBeane regime, but the idea that Payton or Vrabel would waltz in and create a championship team with our roster is super questionable.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

51 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

The Bills offense had the ball to win the game last year in the AFC Championship game.    Josh didnt recognize a blitz and lost the game.   The year before that Bass misses a field goal to tie the game.  The year before that the offense scored 10 points to lose to the Bengals.   People point to McDermott because he is easier to hate than Allen.    Two of three years they've been in the game to win it.   What more do you want than to have your franchise QB with the ball in the 4th quarter to win a game?

This is legit driving me crazy…I love Josh and was probably close to a Josh can do no wrong person before postgame last night but hearing all this ‘they just need a defense that can get one stop and give Josh a chance to win it’ getting said a lot is starting to irk me.  That is literally exactly what has happened the last two years against the chiefs 

 

The bills offense has been listless against the chiefs in the fourth quarter the last two playoff matchups and were borderline useless against Baltimore both times we saw them. Yea 13 seconds was all on the defense obviously and I totally get people being salty about that still but it’s warping games that have happened after 

[Gregg]

With games at Atlanta and Carolina the Bills SHOULD be 6-1. Will they who knows. The penalties need to stop. That is the first thing that needs to happen as you can't win when you constantly take dumb penalties.

[Billever76]

29 minutes ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

JOE BRADY,

Kick Mcdermott upstairs.

I love Mcdermott ,but his defensive philosophy of undersized defensive tackles and rotating them clearly has never stopped the run since he got here.

You lost me at you love McDermot Lol

[corta765]

16 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Sean Payton is always a fascinating response to me.  He had prime Drew Brees and missed the playoffs several time and while it's great he walked away with a ring, it was one singular ring while playing in a conference without a dynasty team.

 

I don't think there's much to suggest that Payton would be a guy to take the Bills over the top, the Brees/Payton Saints were a worse overall team than the Bills despite Brees being an elite QB.  And I think it would be folly to say that Allen is definitively a better QB than prime Brees.

 

That ignores the bountygate suspension and penalties that really hurt the team for a few years. Ask Saint fans and they still hate Goodell with the passion of a 1000 suns for the way they got hit for that in terms of draft picks etc.. Additionally they lost three consecutive playoff games either by insanely bad luck (Diggs catch) or no penalty call (Roby non call) or OT that last year in 2019 against Kirk Cousins of all people. Payton with a solid roster and decent QB is a very good head coach near the top 5 in football. I cannot say that about McD

[Avisan]

Just now, corta765 said:

 

That ignores the bountygate suspension and penalties that really hurt the team for a few years. Ask Saint fans and they still hate Goodell with the passion of a 1000 suns for the way they got hit for that in terms of draft picks etc.. Additionally they lost three consecutive playoff games either by insanely bad luck (Diggs catch) or no penalty call (Roby non call) or OT that last year in 2019 against Kirk Cousins of all people. Payton with a solid roster and decent QB is a very good head coach near the top 5 in football. I cannot say that about McD

I mean, bountygate is very much an indictment on Payton's team operation, is it not?

 

Losing playoff games due to bad luck and things going wrong is currently where we're at right now.

 

I guess my larger point is we make tons of excuses for other teams/coaches when things go wrong for their teams but do the opposite for our own team and coaches, and Payton is imo a great example of that.

[corta765]

6 minutes ago, Gregg said:

With games at Atlanta and Carolina the Bills SHOULD be 6-1. Will they who knows. The penalties need to stop. That is the first thing that needs to happen as you can't win when you constantly take dumb penalties.

Guarantee McD will repeat non stop no penalties no turnovers. But after the Saints you would've thought that message got through.

Just now, Avisan said:

I mean, bountygate is very much an indictment on Payton's team operation, is it not?

 

Losing playoff games due to bad luck and things going wrong is currently where we're at right now.

 

I guess my larger point is we make tons of excuses for other teams/coaches when things go wrong for their teams but do the opposite for our own team and coaches, and Payton is imo a great example of that.

 

Rings change everything. Payton's offenses also were pretty legendary to the point other coaches asked him routinely including BB what he was doing so well scheme wise. McD has none of that and what is supposed to be his calling card with defense has now eroded to a point you have zero faith in it.