Josh and INTs

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

This is all good for the whole "winning games" thing, but old Josh was much more fun to watch.

[T.E.]

I think there's a happy medium where we can be mindful of turnovers and still let the best QB in the league with likely the strongest arm in NFL history throw the ball further than 10 yards down the field more than once a game.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

100% agree…. On O.

D…..a rock hammer worn down worse than Andy Dufresne’s when he popped out the other end of the sewage pipe.

 

Another good thing about this O is the lack of beating Josh has taken , by design and by choice.

Edited 9 minutes ago by Buffalo Boy
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[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, Low Positive said:

This is all good for the whole "winning games" thing, but old Josh was much more fun to watch.

Exactly. Like his three interception game opening week against the Jets a couple years back. So fun. Like when he played his first playoff game against the Texans and did that weird last second lateral. What a hoot that was.

 

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

3 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I think there's a happy medium where we can be mindful of turnovers and still let the best QB in the league with likely the strongest arm in NFL history throw the ball further than 10 yards down the field more than once a game.

Josh took his driver out against the Ravens and there will be other games where he will.

 

Part of the equation here is that Beane has built a hell of a run blocking o-line and it makes sense to beat teams by relentlessly gaining 5-7 yards at a time.

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Like when he played his first playoff game against the Texans and did that weird last second lateral. What a hoot that was.

 

 

The bomb to Patrick DeMarco was a more egregious play in that game, I thought. If that lateral was a foot higher, it would've gone down as one of the greatest plays in NFL history.

[Sierra Foothills]

9 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This is all good for the whole "winning games" thing, but old Josh was much more fun to watch.

 

Agreed.

 

Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were a lot of fun to watch too.

 

😄

 

[dickleyjones]

2 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The bomb to Patrick DeMarco was a more egregious play in that game, I thought. If that lateral was a foot higher, it would've gone down as one of the greatest plays in NFL history.

i loved the lateral. reckless sure, but so close to an awesome winning play.

[Westside Madness]

I felt like the approach to the last two games was like playing backgammon safely. Take the moves the dice give you, don't leave any pieces uncovered. Wait for your opponent to make a mistake. You cant always play like this against all opponents and it certainly makes the games less exciting, but I am sure we will return to a more balanced risk management approach once we get to a tougher part of our schedule.

Edited 1 hour ago by Westside Madness

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The bomb to Patrick DeMarco was a more egregious play in that game, I thought. If that lateral was a foot higher, it would've gone down as one of the greatest plays in NFL history.

Yeah, but the bomb to the FB was FUN! 

[NoSaint]

18 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

Thats absolutely not a misunderstanding for us. 
 

Was all good with the strategy in the first half. 
 

we absolutely needed a play downfield in the second half and it was a matter of lack of skill outside- that’s noteworthy.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

19 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

 

You say lack of downfield passing and I say non existent as in they don't have it at all and have yet to see it. What happens when defenses take away the short game? Because by the time playoffs come around that's what the top elite teams will try and do. It has to be incorporated even a little bit and I think Moore would be the perfect guy for it running a 4.35 at his pro day. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

i loved the lateral. reckless sure, but so close to an awesome winning play.

And this is the divider among fans. The "White Men Can't Jump" theory. Some people would rather look pretty and lose than look bad and win.

[technobot]

He really seems to have embraced the mentality (and he actually said this) of:

 

a play is breaking down, and sure, he could try to make some highlight-reel worthy type 1/1000000 kind of save, but for what? Was the risk worth the reward? 

 

As others have said, it helps we might actually be able to bludgeon teams with the run game, so Josh doesn't start feeling like he has to do everything (until he has to).

 

Some of it is maturation, and constantly improving. I'm glad the "new" Josh Allen we saw last year is simply Josh Allen.

[BuffaloBill]

27 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

 

 

This is a truly insightful statement about the state of Jos’s game and by extension the Bills. Josh is playing smarter and with better physical technique.  His patience last night was critical to success. The Fins were plying 2 high shell so early career Josh may have looked to force throws. Current Josh was patient and played with wisdom - take what they give you.

[Buffalo03]

29 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Since the start of last season (including postseason) Josh has thrown 6 INTs in 664 attempts, a rate of 0.9%.
 

Aaron Rodgers, probably the most famous QB for not giving the ball away, has an amazing career rate of 1.4%.
 

Some people come on here decrying our lack of downfield passing without realizing that the Bills’ game plan and Josh’ approach are an evolution from the gunfight mentality that turned many games into chaos battles.  Now we win with an exacto knife.

Is this a real word? So, next time I see someone crying about something stupid about our team, instead of saying "stop crying", I can tell them to "decry"? 

[T.E.]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And this is the divider among fans. The "White Men Can't Jump" theory. Some people would rather look pretty and lose than look bad and win.

To be fair, their best chance to win the Super Bowl was in 2021, when Allen was launching the ball all over the place.

[dayman]

That’s not our fastball and we’ll need our fastball to win in the playoffs and it’s not unreasonable to say we can’t wait until the playoffs to start throwing it. It is fine however, in week 3, to do whatever it is we are doing…for now. When we play Baltimore again, the Chargers, or possibly a KC team that finds their mojo again—we will need to be more aggressive.

Edited 55 minutes ago by dayman

[zow2]

Josh is not putting the ball in harm's way all that much.  He's playing it safe, which is fine.  Just win and advance.