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The Ravens front office is the best in the NFL. They have year after year of sustained success--it is institutionalized there.

 

The Bills are a Top-5 front office, but the Ravens are better. (sorry, Brandon... we still love you)

 

 

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52 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Teams definitely game plan around cook since the cowboy games two years ago.  Also a sorta silly comment.  Thats like saying teams dont game plan around the bills running game which is one of the best in the league.  You absolutely game plan around how yorue gonna defend cook in the run game (probably commit an extra defender for him vs Johnson, Davis).  Its not like hes some dude who gets a touch everyone once in a while.

 

Cook has had 1 game in his career so far where he has taken over the game.   How many has Josh Allen had?   How many has Derrick Henry had?  No team is looking at the Bills on a weekly basis and thinking "we need to stop James Cook before Josh Allen".   I think a lot of teams especially the Bills will look at the ravens team and see Derrick Henry as their biggest threat.  

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Fortunately, they play on the gridiron, and the Bills have been relatively successful in matchups with the birds.  If the Ravens are superior 'on paper' by some measure, there's data not being accounted for. The Win-Loss record speaks for itself.

When they play 'on paper' I'll GAF. 

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20 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Just imagine if we had managed to land Hamilton or even McDufffie instead of Elam in 2022.   That probably woulda been all the difference we needed to get over that hump.  Both our biggest competitors landed all pros with their 1st pick in that draft and we got a complete bust.  

My guess would be the bills wanted mcduffie and the chiefs surprisingly traded up to steal him so we had to trade up to get the only other corner we had a high first round grade on that wasn’t as good of a scheme fit.  Seeing as the cowboys ended up with Elam eventually I wonder if we were concerned they’d swipe him if we didn’t move up 
 

it was mostly dumb luck the ravens were in position to take Hamilton at all lol not only should he not have fallen that far but the ravens had to lose 5 in a row (4 extremely close games) after a Lamar injury to even have the 14th pick.  Hamilton easily should’ve gone top 10 and probably should’ve gone top 5 so teams picking late in the first probably didn’t even see him as a trade up target.  Hamilton had to have dropped because of his 40 time at the combine which is just dumb haha 

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21 hours ago, Lost said:

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

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50 minutes ago, boater said:

The Ravens front office is the best in the NFL. They have year after year of sustained success--it is institutionalized there.

 

The Bills are a Top-5 front office, but the Ravens are better. (sorry, Brandon... we still love you)

 

 

 

They have been doing it and remaining competitive for over 25 years.  I have always admired them and during the drought I remember pointing at the Ravens (not a great team, but in the top 8-12 every year, with a puncher's chance) as the model.  They have had few really down years and those dips have been short-lived.  

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28 minutes ago, boater said:

The Ravens front office is the best in the NFL. They have year after year of sustained success--it is institutionalized there.

 

The Bills are a Top-5 front office, but the Ravens are better. (sorry, Brandon... we still love you)

 

 

 

The Ravens since 2000 have only had 5 losing seasons (2002/2005/2007/2015 and a 8-9 year when Lamar got hurt in 2021). Since 2000 they have made the playoffs 16 times out of 25 seasons. They have won in that time 18 playoff games and two Super Bowls. That's while having the Brady era Pats and Peyton Manning (split across the Colts and Broncos) in their conference and Big Ben and the Steelers in their own division. 

 

The Bills you could argue since McBeane in 2017 are more successful than the Ravens since 2017 but the Ravens excellence extends far beyond a semi-recent successful run it goes back decades. I am hoping McBeane has a run of decades long excellence similar to the Ravens. But I'm just focused about getting one while this team has Josh...

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48 minutes ago, boater said:

The Ravens front office is the best in the NFL. They have year after year of sustained success--it is institutionalized there.

 

The Bills are a Top-5 front office, but the Ravens are better. (sorry, Brandon... we still love you)

 

 

Idk what the hell they’re doing at corner but other than that their roster is stacked lol feels like they just keep trying to start washed up veterans at outside corner and seeing as the pass rush isn’t great that’s really gonna hurt 

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Setting aside player vs. player comps, the Ravens O can score at will on the Bills D.  3 games in a row they could run on us like a high school team and have WRs running wide open through our secondary. Turnovers were our savior in Jan but that’s not reliable. The rookies, Bishop and PED guys will have to level up the D big time.

 

Can the Bills O continuously score 30-40 on the Ravens? It looks hard and there’s no margin for error. Brady’s short yardage package has been figured out. The Chiefs stuffed or nearly stuffed us all game in Jan. The Ravens stuffed or nearly stuffed us all Sunday. Can’t lose situational football and win the big games.

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7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The Ravens since 2000 have only had 5 losing seasons (2002/2005/2007/2015 and a 8-9 year when Lamar got hurt in 2021). Since 2000 they have made the playoffs 16 times out of 25 seasons. They have won in that time 18 playoff games and two Super Bowls. That's while having the Brady era Pats and Peyton Manning (split across the Colts and Broncos) in their conference and Big Ben and the Steelers in their own division. 

 

The Bills you could argue since McBeane in 2017 are more successful than the Ravens since 2017 but the Ravens excellence extends far beyond a semi-recent successful run it goes back decades. I am hoping McBeane has a run of decades long excellence similar to the Ravens. But I'm just focused about getting one while this team has Josh...

The Lamar injury was kinda a long term gift for their front office tbh.. it cost them a year of being very competitive (in a year the chiefs were at max offensive power)  but no way they get Kyle Hamilton for 4 years on a rookie deal without that injury..  if Lamar doesn’t get hurt that year they probably go 12-5 and get the 1 seed

 

 

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4 hours ago, eball said:

I’m getting a little tired of this narrative.  The Bills’ OL is better.  The Ravens’ C is excellent but the other four spots go to Buffalo.  The TEs are a wash.  Flowers starts, and after that it’s a wash or Buffalo is better.  The two starting RBs are Henry and Cook.  Defensively it’s slightly more slanted towards Baltimore — the safeties, one CB, one LB, and two DL.  But these rosters are not as lopsided as many of you seem to believe.

 

That is very silly. Did you watch Them put up 238 rushing yards on us? That happened largely because their oline and TEs created massive gaps for their runners. On the 30 yard TD run, they absolutely dominated our front 7. If you want to say that's because our d-line is drastically inferior than ok, but I don't agree with that. In pass protection, they looked quite good too.

On defense they have an all-pro safety in Hamilton, and their 1st round rookie  Starks is probably better than anything we have by default. We might not have a Top 64 safety. Roquan Smith is another all pro player, for which we have no comparable player (the ghost of Matt Milano notwithstanding). Marlon Humphrey is an all-pro corner.

 

The gap between Henry and Cook is massive. They also have a significant edge at TE when Likely is healthy. He and Andrews (another all-pro) are each better than anyone we have unless the lights go on for Kincaid this year.

None of this is to say the Bills are bad/suck whatever, but to act like their talent levels are equal is a total lack of respect for the Ravens.

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1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

Cook has had 1 game in his career so far where he has taken over the game.   How many has Josh Allen had?   How many has Derrick Henry had?  No team is looking at the Bills on a weekly basis and thinking "we need to stop James Cook before Josh Allen".   I think a lot of teams especially the Bills will look at the ravens team and see Derrick Henry as their biggest threat.  

Didnt say the game plan prioritizes cook over josh allen.  I do disagree that cook has only took over 1 game.  Most of the time he takes over its a rout and they stop feeding him (he only has 3 games with over 20 rushing attempts!!!).  I do think lots of teams (especially after last year) think stopping the run is the way to make Josh one dimensional and get after him.  So yes I think teams game plan around James Cook (the original comment).  No team has a game plan against one thing or else you end up like Dallas a few years ago (didnt game plan for the run and couldnt adjust from having a safety play Will) or Seahawks (didnt plan for so many passes and routinely found themselves in bad matchup ala Adams man coverage on Diggs).  

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9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Lamar holds records that Josh does not, and he's a two time MVP. No one is trying to take anything away from Josh, but there's more than one great player in the league.

I never said Lamar wasn’t great. He is one of the best to ever do it.  

 

But he cannot make all of the same plays that Josh Allen can. 

 

Allen combines arm talent, speed, and power in a package that has never been seen before. He is the best pure football player in NFL history. 

 

That’s not to take anything away from Lamar or Patrick. But they have advantages that Allen does not — HOF teammates, SB winning coaches, and GMs that can identify top-end talent in the draft, for starters. 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Lost said:

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

 

QB:  Josh Allen > Lamar Jackson

RB:  Derrick Henry > James Cook

WR1:  Zay Flowers > Keon Coleman

WR2:  Khalil Shakir > Rashod Bateman

WR3:  DeAndre Hopkins = Josh Palmer (only due to age)

TE1:  Mark Andrews > Dalton Kincaid/Dawson Knox

LT:  Ronnie Stanley = Dion Dawkins

LG:  David Edwards = Andrew Vorhees

CR:  Tyler Linderbaum > Connor McGovern

RG:  O'Cyrus Torrence > Daniel Faalele

RT:  Spencer Brown > Roger Rosengarten

 

EDGE 1:  Joey Bosa > Kyle Van Noy 

EDGE 2:  Greg Rousseau > Odafe Oweh

DT1:  Nnamdi Madubuike > Ed Oliver

DT2/3:  Travis Jones/Broderick Washington > DaQuan Jones/T.J. Sanders

MLB:  Roquan Smith > Terrell Bernard

OLB:  Matt Milano > Teddye Buchanan

CB1:  Christian Benford = Marlon Humphrey

CB2:  Tre White = Jaire Alexander

CB3:  Taron Johnson > Nate Wiggins

SS:  Kyle Hamilton > Cole Bishop

FS:  Taylor Rapp > Malaki Starks

 

With 22 starting spots, I would say the Bills are better at 9 spots, the Ravens are better at 8 spots.

The other 5 spots I would consider a wash.

 

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Pre-game I expected the Ravens O to manhandle our D, what with missing #1 draftee, two vet starters and generally being in transition. TBH I was not optimistic about the result. Josh saved our bacon yesterday but McD is an excellent defensive coach. Assuming we play them later in the year we will be a lot better on both sides of the ball but especially on D. Josh Allen will beat them again.

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1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said:

But he cannot make all of the same plays that Josh Allen can. 

 

 

That is also true for Josh. Allen is a very gifted runner, one of the best ever. But Jackson is the greatest to ever do it from the QB position.

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11 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

 I do think lots of teams (especially after last year) think stopping the run is the way to make Josh one dimensional and get after him.  

 

I will only partially agree with this.  Teams have been crowding the box more against us but I fall more on the side of it's just them not respecting our boundary receivers at all.   Coleman might have changed that this week however.   

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11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

That is also true for Josh. Allen is a very gifted runner, one of the best ever. But Jackson is the greatest to ever do it from the QB position.

 

Lamar does not possess the power or physical running game that Allen does. Not even close. Show me a play where Jackson is dragging a couple of NFL defenders for a first down like Allen did in Dallas a few years ago. Or stiff-arming an NFL linebacker into the turf like Allen did against Kyle Van Noy when he was with Miami. 

 

Jackson is 6’2/205. Allen is 6’5/237. 

 

Allen has enough speed and elusiveness to at least be in the same world as Lamar. He’s essentially a hybrid of Jackson/Henry. 

 

Allen also has more arm talent at the position. 

 

Lamar Jackson is “Michael Vick 2.0”. The NFL has never seen a "Josh Allen" before.

 

Both are all-world talents, but Josh Allen is “the guy”.

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18 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

That is very silly. Did you watch Them put up 238 rushing yards on us? That happened largely because their oline and TEs created massive gaps for their runners. On the 30 yard TD run, they absolutely dominated our front 7. If you want to say that's because our d-line is drastically inferior than ok, but I don't agree with that. In pass protection, they looked quite good too.

On defense they have an all-pro safety in Hamilton, and their 1st round rookie  Starks is probably better than anything we have by default. We might not have a Top 64 safety. Roquan Smith is another all pro player, for which we have no comparable player (the ghost of Matt Milano notwithstanding). Marlon Humphrey is an all-pro corner.

 

The gap between Henry and Cook is massive. They also have a significant edge at TE when Likely is healthy. He and Andrews (another all-pro) are each better than anyone we have unless the lights go on for Kincaid this year.

None of this is to say the Bills are bad/suck whatever, but to act like their talent levels are equal is a total lack of respect for the Ravens.

 

The problem is not a talent disparity, but a scheme disparity.

Buffalo's defense was constructed to be small and fast, so they are naturally going to struggle against big and powerful run games. 

 

 

It's actually funny when you think about it.

This team was constructed with beating the Chiefs in mind.  Yet we can't get past them in the playoffs to save our lives.  

The Ravens are easily the worst matchup for us in the entire NFL.  And they have now lost two in a row to us, and are 0-2 against the Bills in the playoffs.

 

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