A Different Vibe from McDermott

[Buffalo Boy]

29 minutes ago, foreboding said:

We have the team and the culture we have, because of him. Remember the decades of futility and revolving doors of coaches. Sure, he has lost to the Chiefs, with depleted defenses and the same as almost every other team in the NFL.

13 seconds wasn’t on “ depleted defense” it was on the coach. And no other team has lost to them in the playoffs so egregiously and with such a QB performance 

[BVBILLS]

I think Mc Clappy is starting to resemble coaches like Marvin Lewis, Marty Schottenheimer (RIP), and Tony Dungy. (Who finally won a SB with the Sheriff) 

I also think Mc Clappy and Bean haven't done the best job filling out the roster. I hope they both prove me dead wrong this season.

[Buffalo Boy]

20 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Notice, I said “arguably”. Josh is definitely in the conversation and a legitimate case could be made for it. 

 

Swap Allen and Mahomes — give 17 Andy Reid, a competent GM, and elite receiving options and Allen would have 3-4 rings as well. 

 

Allen can do everything Mahomes can do. Mahomes cannot do everything Allen can do. 

And give him Fangio’s D 

I also think Josh wouldn’t have taken as much of a physical beating in Reid’s scheme 

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Because no Head Coach/QB pairing has ever made it to a Super Bowl after not doing it in the first five seasons. 

 

History says that if it hasn’t happened by now, it’s never going to happen with these two together. 

 

That’s just silly. Nothing ever happened until it did. 

[Buffalo Boy]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If you don’t believe that people can learn and grow in life and in their careers, you are missing some important stuff in life. Josh is better than he was 5-7 years ago, why can’t the same be true of others? I mean, other than your frustration blinding you? 

  Where has the growth been by McD?

His D scheme remains the same. His demonstrable “ pucker factor” was on display last playoffs as it has always been.   
   We ALL want to see him do better but that is just a wish. 

[PoundingDog]

14 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

Allen can do everything Mahomes can do. Mahomes cannot do everything Allen can do.

Physically yes, though there is an argument to be made that Allen has work his mechanics up to where he is now and Mahomes does not seem to have that issue coming into NFL, and I'd still argue Mahomes is generally more accurate than Allen, short and long balls. 

 

The bigger gap is above the shoulders. It took Allen until last year to put together an MVP season, primarily in the decision-making part in my opinion.

 

Common sense tells me it is hard for people at the top to working extremely hard to improve. I don't know Mahomes and pretty sure he's very self motivated and competitive. But extremely physically gifted and winning all these superbowls have to have an impact on him. Brady won all the time too but he's NOT that physically talented so he knew he had to continuously working to compensate for that. Guys like Allen and Jackson have an obvious target in front of them. It is easier to dig deep to find ways to catching up.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

13 seconds wasn’t on “ depleted defense” it was on the coach. And no other team has lost to them in the playoffs so egregiously and with such a QB performance 

It was 100% coaching that blew that

[henry jones]

54 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

Mmmm I don't know about that statement. There is a QB whose last name rhymes with homes is pretty good. 

 

Looking back at Brady's time in NFL, he kind of blocked a lot of "arguably the best QB' from getting to the superbowl. The good thing is I see Allen is continuously improving his game, partly because he has a target in front of him. Last year you see a noticeable improvement. Listening to his interview before the Ravens game, he sounded much more mature (not going for home run, taking short completions to start games). So sounded like he himself knew he was NOT the greatest QB in NFL history in the past few years.

 

 

As far as the playoffs are concerned, JA is statistically the best we've seen.  He has dramatically stepped up his game when it matters most.  McDermott's defenses, on the other hand, have completely melted down when it matters most and statistically one of the worst ever.  Mahomes is a great QB, but Andy Reid has the formula and his defenses have been markedly improved come playoff time.  

[Fleezoid]

13 hours ago, QB Bills said:

We get at least one of these threads every season.

 

He's the same guy he's always been and always will be. The Bills will have to win the super bowl in spite of him, not because of him.

 

I listened to the Night Cap on WGR driving home last night and they did the replay of McDermott's presser and I got the same vibe. Opposite the OP, I think it was the same old McDermott using the same old words/phrases..."process", "getting better", "always looking to improve."

 

But what hit me the most was how he sounded so much like Don Granato. Obviously McDermott is so much more successful, but listening to Granato on WGR several times driving home in the past, I realized last night it sounded eerily similar. 

 

I started out as a big supporter of McDermott, but the last few years I've been on the fence. I guess I'm still on the fence, but I'm getting awfully close to falling off. It just feels like we may have seen his ceiling. He's done a fantastic job make the Bills a consistent winner. I'm just not sure he can get us across the finish line. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Gunner said:

Gruden took Dungy's Bucs to a SB win but his attitude destroyed the team shortly afterwards. Dungy's Bucs were a tight knit group, much like McD's Bills.

 

True.  Hopefully McD won't squander the talent the Bills have collected (like Dungy in Indy).

[SCBills]

There can’t be excuses this year. 
 

It’s time to get it done.   
 

A summer of injuries didn’t exactly make me confident in this. 
 

We can say that it’s luck, but you can make your own luck by not signing guys like Curtis Samuel and running an undersized defense that gets beat up over the course of the season because

you don’t believe in 1 techs or getting out of Nickel. 
 

Really want to be proven wrong this season.   Theres a ton of potential on this team, but Bosa health, Kincaid/Coleman/Bishop development and hitting on DL draft picks all need to hit for the most part. 

If what we’re hearing about defensive philosophy changing to become more aggressive is true.. I have some hope for McDermott.  You can’t just sit back and let elite QB’s nickel and dime you to depth.  Outside of Lamar, they aren’t going to make mistakes when it matters. 
 

 

Edited September 4 by SCBills

[MJS]

I think he has made a conscious effort to open up more to the media. And since that is the only glimpse we ever get into McDermott as a person and a coach, it makes him seem different to us. But I think it didn't start this year, it started last year.

[Fleezoid]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

True.  Hopefully McD won't squander the talent the Bills have collected (like Dungy in Indy).

 

At least Dungy won a SB in Indy. I thought he should have won one with the Bucs. Dungy's defenses were always great. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Gunner said:

Gruden took Dungy's Bucs to a SB win but his attitude destroyed the team shortly afterwards. Dungy's Bucs were a tight knit group, much like McD's Bills.

 

Totally worth it.

 

We're on year 9 with Josh. A ton of great plays and highlights, and great games, but no Lombardi yet.

 

If we had to bring in another coach to win the SB, but sacrifice the culture after, totally worth it.

 

Oh, Daquan Jones isnt having team dinners? Still won the Super Bowl

Conner McGovern isnt making everyone pizzas anymore? Still won the Super Bowl

 

Heck, if we won the Super Bowl, got through the parade, and then Josh announced he was retiring, we'd still be left with the best decade of our lives as Bills fans.

 

We missed out on Vrabel and Harbaugh so we're stuck hoping McD, the king of consistency, is somehow going to make a drastic change. But if I had to put money on it, I'd predict another let down due to weak coaching in the playoffs, and then McD fires Babich as the fall guy and then promotes from within to run the same crappy system in the same crappy way.

[LarryMadman]

22 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

Physically yes, though there is an argument to be made that Allen has work his mechanics up to where he is now and Mahomes does not seem to have that issue coming into NFL, and I'd still argue Mahomes is generally more accurate than Allen, short and long balls. 

 

The bigger gap is above the shoulders. It took Allen until last year to put together an MVP season, primarily in the decision-making part in my opinion.

 

Common sense tells me it is hard for people at the top to working extremely hard to improve. I don't know Mahomes and pretty sure he's very self motivated and competitive. But extremely physically gifted and winning all these superbowls have to have an impact on him. Brady won all the time too but he's NOT that physically talented so he knew he had to continuously working to compensate for that. Guys like Allen and Jackson have an obvious target in front of them. It is easier to dig deep to find ways to catching up.  

So you totally ignore 40+ TDs for 5 straight seasns even though his coach is activly make him pass less, whatever! Mahomes is not a better QB, he just has better coaches and better players to a degree. Not a single GM in the league would take Mahomes over Allen if they were starting a team from scratch, not one.

[tigerthelion]

1 hour ago, Gunner said:

Gruden took Dungy's Bucs to a SB win but his attitude destroyed the team shortly afterwards. Dungy's Bucs were a tight knit group, much like McD's Bills.

I'd take a Superbowl or two even if it meant a dysfunctional team for a while afterwards. 

[bmur66]

Win the last game or walk away voluntarily. 

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

At least Dungy won a SB in Indy. I thought he should have won one with the Bucs. Dungy's defenses were always great. 

 

Yes, the great Rex Grossman victory...

 

His Indy rosters were absolutely loaded on both sides of the ball--especially Offense. That should have been the dominant franchise of the late 90's to mid 20teens, not NE.

 

Terrible playoff coach, given what he had to work with.

[Gregg]

At some point you would think the players would start tuning him out especially if they lose to the Chiefs for the 5th time in 6 years during the playoffs. The Eagles eventually moved on from Reid and it worked out well for both parties going forward. The same thing may have to happen in Buffalo. How many years can players keeping hearing the same message with no results to show for it before they tune the coach's message out. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

14 hours ago, VW82 said:

I don't think it's just about the young guys. Look who we drafted. Look who we brought in. If you follow the guys covering the team, they all say our approach on defense looks different this year. More pressure, more rushers, more guys in man covering one-on-one, more diversity in concepts. It could take us a bit to find the right combinations and find a new identify. McD is evolving and so is the defense.  

 

I mean you'd hope McD would start evolving after 6 straight postseasons of him and his side of the ball letting us down in the biggest games

14 hours ago, QB Bills said:

We get at least one of these threads every season.

 

He's the same guy he's always been and always will be. The Bills will have to win the super bowl in spite of him, not because of him.

 

Yup, and I'd still be over the moon about winning a SB but obviously it's very tough to win a SB in spite of your HC...I think we'd probably only luck into that once if at all. 

 

It would be one of those things if McD is still in for the long haul that if we did win 1 that'll probably be it and we'll be really happy about that...but at the same time it'll be very similar to how Colts fans feel about the Peyton era, that it should have been more with a good coach and  that it's hard to believe they only got 1. But at this point I'd still take 1.