Bills cuts discussion

[billybob71]

My name still hasn't been called...41 more minutes and I'm on the Bills beotches😁

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

Tell that to Eagles GM Howie Roseman and Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just to name a few teams who draft late like us every season. Unlike Beane, those GM's find blue chip talent way more than Beane does

Howie roseman got both of his stud defensive tackles in the top 15 lol

 

And devintae smith top 10 

 

He has three top 15 picks in the last 5 years

 

The bills havent had a top 15 pick in over six seasons lol you can't compare our draft slots

 

Edited Tuesday at 07:22 PM by Buffalo716

[Beck Water]

26 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:

Cody Ford has played over 80 games in the league, most of them as a starter. He also was a key component in the trade up for the 2018 draft and that pick was then packaged in the trade up for #7 which resulted in Josh Allen. So that wasn't too bad.

 

Singletary was a mid round 3rd who has over 5,700 career yards from scrimmage.

 

Epenesa was #54 overall and will probably play 10 years in the NFL. Solid player, not a waste.

 

Basham is the worst pick. Moss was 86th overall. Not the best pick but still in the league. I'll give you that one. 

 

I still say that's an excellent track record. 

 

Huh?  Cody Ford was drafted in 2019, the year after Allen.  He wasn't even a gleam on Beane's draft board during the trade up to the 2018 draft.  

 

Singletary was the 10th pick of the 3rd round, and I think one of the clearest commentaries on Singletary's mediocre rookie season was the fact that Beane drafted an RB in the 3rd round the following year.

 

I don't disagree with Beane's track record being better than many think it is (it's harder to draft consistently and well than many here think, and the overall "bust" rate is higher than people think).  It's also a valid counterpoint that Beane has earned his way into a harsher comparator set of only the top GMs

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Howie roseman got both of his stud defensive tackles in the top 15 lol

 

And devintae smith top 10 

 

He has three top 15 picks in the last 5 years

 

The bills havent had a top 15 pick in over six seasons lol you can't compare our draft slots

 

 

Who invited Mr. Reality to the pitchfork party!?

[Matt_In_NH]

Can one of you guys stop working for 15 minutes and post the complete list of players still on the roster?  Thanks........

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Howie roseman got both of his stud defensive tackles in the top 15 lol

 

And devintae smith top 10 

 

He has three top 15 picks in the last 5 years

 

The bills havent had a top 15 pick in over six seasons lol you can't compare our draft slots

 

 

The Eagles did follow up their SB winning season with 3 mediocre seasons and 1 bad season, so there's that.

 

 

[Dillenger4]

2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Can one of you guys stop working for 15 minutes and post the complete list of players still on the roster?  Thanks........

Yes, all of them.

[Robchester13]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Can one of you guys stop working for 15 minutes and post the complete list of players still on the roster?  Thanks........

Are Cain and Wilkerson still there?

[LABILLBACKER]

31 minutes ago, MPL said:

1 hour left. Bubble guys still on the roster:

- Carter
- Wilkerson
- Moore
- Shavers
- Gore Jr. 
- Lundt
- Logue

Bills trying to work a last-minute trade? 

Get a 6th for Carter and call it a day.

[Special K]

14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This actually surprises me quite a bit.  Somewhat implies that they're happy with both Hairston and Tre White I think.
 

Jackson has played teams (though I have no opinion on how well) in the past when not starting.

 

 

I  just think Strong outplayed Jackson, and even if it was a tie, the Bills would still go with the younger player on a rookie contract. Jackson will probably make it to the Practice Squad if they want him there.

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's just not really how it works in the NFL with the salary cap and moving rosters 

People like Devin singletary are good running backs they have 5,000 yards in the league.. third round pick that is tremendous value 

 

Yeah, it's hard to know what went on with Motor.  He played out his rookie deal on the Bills with 3000+ yds which is value for a 3rd rounder.

On the other hand, the Bills clearly weren't overall happy with him or they wouldn't have drafted Moss and then used a 2nd on James Cook in the last year of that deal.

 

I do have to say overall during his tenure here, the OCs committment to the run game is best described as "tenuous" or perhaps "nonexistant".  Hard to tell which came first there - the lack of quality player personnel to depend upon in the run game, or the poor design and execution of run plays to fit with the skills of the players.  

 

You would have a more reasoned opinion there than I could.

 

8 minutes ago, Special K said:

I  just think Strong outplayed Jackson, and even if it was a tie, the Bills would still go with the younger player on a rookie contract. Jackson will probably make it to the Practice Squad if they want him there.

 

I could be mistaken, but I didn't think they were grooming them for the same roles?  Or was Strong playing boundary?  

 

I thought they had Strong playing nickel and dime back.

Edited Tuesday at 07:32 PM by Beck Water

[gonzo1105]

17 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Can one of you guys stop working for 15 minutes and post the complete list of players still on the roster?  Thanks........

 

QB: Allen, Trubisky

RB: Cook, Davis, Johnson, Gore

FB: Gilliam

WR: Coleman, Shakir, Palmer,  Samuel, Moore, Shaver, Cain, Wilkerson

TE: Kincaid, Knox, Hawes, Davidson

OL: Dawkins, Edwards, McGovern, Torrence, Brown, Anderson, Van DeMark, Lundt, Van Pran Granger, Grable

 

DE: Bosa, Rousseau, Epenesa, Solomon, Jackson, Shand, Hoecht(Suspension)

DT: Oliver, Jones, Walker, Sanders, Carter, Logue, Phillips, Harris????, Ogunjobi(Suspended)

LB: Bernard, Milano, Williams, Andreessen, Thompson, Jenkins

 

CB: Benford, Hairston, White, Johnson, Lewis, Ingram, Strong

 

Safety: Rapp, Bishop, Hamlin, Hancock 

 

K: Bass

P: Robbins

LS: Ferguson

PR: Codrington

 

I still have 64 on the roster as it sits right now. So 11 more players to cut, IR etc. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:42 PM by gonzo1105

[Cash]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

I could be mistaken, but I didn't think they were grooming them for the same roles?  Or was Strong playing boundary?  

 

I thought they had Strong playing nickel and dime back.

 

I think Strong was always playing on the boundary.

[34-78-83]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

QB: Allen, Trubisky

RB: Cook, Davis, Johnson, Gore

FB: Gilliam

WR: Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Moore, Shaver, Cain, Wilkerson

TE: Kincaid, Knox, Hawes, Davidson

OL: Dawkins, Edwards, McGovern, Torrence, Brown, Anderson, Van DeMark, Lundt, Van Pran Granger, Grable

 

DE: Bosa, Rousseau, Epenesa, Solomon, Jackson, Shand

DT: Oliver, Jones, Walker, Sanders, Carter, Logue, Phillips, Harris????

LB: Bernard, Milano, Williams, Andreessen, Thompson, Jenkins

 

CB: Benford, Hairston, White, Johnson, Lewis, Ingram, Strong

 

Safety: Rapp, Bishop, Hamlin, Hancock 

 

K: Bass

P: Robbins

LS: Ferguson

PR: Codrington

 

I still have 63 on the roster as it sits right now. So 10 more players to cut, IR etc. 

Palmer

[gonzo1105]

Just now, 34-78-83 said:

Palmer

 

Yup good call i'll add him. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

So who is changing their number?

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

QB: Allen, Trubisky

RB: Cook, Davis, Johnson, Gore

FB: Gilliam

WR: Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Moore, Shaver, Cain, Wilkerson

TE: Kincaid, Knox, Hawes, Davidson

OL: Dawkins, Edwards, McGovern, Torrence, Brown, Anderson, Van DeMark, Lundt, Van Pran Granger, Grable

 

DE: Bosa, Rousseau, Epenesa, Solomon, Jackson, Shand

DT: Oliver, Jones, Walker, Sanders, Carter, Logue, Phillips, Harris????

LB: Bernard, Milano, Williams, Andreessen, Thompson, Jenkins

 

CB: Benford, Hairston, White, Johnson, Lewis, Ingram, Strong

 

Safety: Rapp, Bishop, Hamlin, Hancock 

 

K: Bass

P: Robbins

LS: Ferguson

PR: Codrington

 

I still have 63 on the roster as it sits right now. So 10 more players to cut, IR etc. 

It is interesting to see the numbers at WR and DT, makes me think those are positions Beane might be having conversations with other teams about.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah, it's hard to know what went on with Motor.  He played out his rookie deal on the Bills with 3000+ yds which is value for a 3rd rounder.

On the other hand, the Bills clearly weren't overall happy with him or they wouldn't have drafted Moss and then used a 2nd on James Cook in the last year of that deal.

 

I do have to say overall during his tenure here, the OCs committment to the run game is best described as "tenuous" or perhaps "nonexistant".  Hard to tell which came first there - the lack of quality player personnel to depend upon in the run game, or the poor design and execution of run plays to fit with the skills of the players.

I think singletary has the talent to be a low end starter or good backup 

 

The problem is he doesn't have breakaway speed and is too small to be a pure power back

 

But he is a reliable receiver, a good blocker and when he sticks his foot in the ground and goes he's a tough tackle .. he moves some piles and has great contact balance 

 

He has talent but with the cap it's hard to pay a rb with that skill set ... But he does run with some power and elusiveness 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Beane needs to find a replacement for Codrington from waiver wire/cuts that can also be counted on to play offense or defense in a pinch.  

[Robchester13]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

It is interesting to see the numbers at WR and DT, makes me think those are positions Beane might be having conversations with other teams about.

Yeah. 8WRs if you include Palmer right?