WGR Discussing McD's job security

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Yes, I'm lying to myself about my emotions, about my teams head football coach. I don't have energy in my life to hate somebody I don't know and will never meet. I enjoy debating and I strongly disagree with your takes and others out here. Which means literally nothing for how I feel about Sean freaking McDermott. It's better for people like yourself to simplify this topic into such basic things to dismiss the validity of the opinion. Happy to come back to this thread in a few years and we can see whose opinions were more valid. 

 

Except when you specifically stated "I have hated on this regime...."

 

You don't even know what my opinion is lol.  I was just calling you out for your illogical posts.

Its "magic" if this team withs a Super Bowl being even though we are favored to win every game.  I mean that's just stupid.  

Edited August 12 by Royale with Cheese

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Except when you specifically stated "I have hated on this regime...."

 

You don't even know what my opinion is lol.  I was just calling you out for your illogical posts.

Its "magic" if this team withs a Super Bowl being even though we are favored to win every game.  I mean that's just stupid.  

Quit baiting, the thread was over yesterday. You have added nothing relevant to this conversation today outside of talking about me. 

[MJS]

50 minutes ago, Gregg said:

I wouldn't say hated. I think most Bills fans give credit to McDermott and Beane for changing the culture of the organization from a loser to a winner. But it is frustrating to see these playoff losses happen year after year despite having one of the best QBs in the game. They have both been here 9 years now so it is fair to question if the Bills will ever win a championship with this HC/GM.

Uh, there are some posters here who legitimately seem to hate McDermott, blame him for everything, refuse to give him an ounce of credit for any success, call for him to be fired constantly, are silent when the team does well (especially about McDemott), and even attack his character, personality, and faith. If that's not hate, it is certainly something in that realm.

 

Most aren't like that, but there are enough of them that it is not just an isolated thing.

[Mikie2times]

Just now, MJS said:

Uh, there are some posters here who legitimately seem to hate McDermott, blame him for everything, refuse to give him an ounce of credit for any success, call for him to be fired constantly, are silent when the team does well (especially about McDemott), and even attack his character, personality, and faith. If that's not hate, it is certainly something in that realm.

 

Most aren't like that, but there are enough of them that it is not just an isolated thing.

He's at the very least above average.  If I need 10 wins in the NFL in the regular season I would pick him over anybody in football. What does that say about our broader goals? Not much. Which is what the conversation is about to me at this point. 

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

Uh, there are some posters here who legitimately seem to hate McDermott, blame him for everything, refuse to give him an ounce of credit for any success, call for him to be fired constantly, are silent when the team does well (especially about McDemott), and even attack his character, personality, and faith. If that's not hate, it is certainly something in that realm.

 

Most aren't like that, but there are enough of them that it is not just an isolated thing.

 

Yeah we saw it on full display the last 4-5 pages.

[Gregg]

 

[billsfan714]

I don't hate McD, I just don't think he's smart enough to take a team to a championship.

[T.E.]

I actually like McDermott as a person and think he is a great coach Monday - Saturday. He has too much control over both the offensive and defensive play-calling, though. The team is built in his image - good, even great at times, but not willing to step outside the box enough to get over the hump. Very reminiscent of Schottenheimer and Dungy.

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

5 minutes mark is dead on

27 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I actually like McDermott as a person and think he is a great coach Monday - Saturday. He has too much control over both the offensive and defensive play-calling, though. The team is built in his image - good, even great at times, but not willing to step outside the box enough to get over the hump. Very reminiscent of Schottenheimer and Dungy.

 

He is basically the same as Dungy. Very similar philosophies, people, etc. 

 

 

Edited August 12 by Mikie2times

[jethro_tull]

On 8/8/2025 at 10:55 AM, Virgil said:

Was listening to WGR yesterday and someone called into ask what Schoop and Bulldog would need to see happen for McD to get fired after this season.  There answer and reasoning honestly surprised me, and also seemed like a course correction from prior years from them.

 

They both stated that the Bills switching to the new stadium next year should prevent McD from being fired under most circumstances, even missing the playoffs.  They both stated that a catastrophic PR issue or the entire team falling off a cliff could change things, but that's about it.

 

I know we have a thread about McD every year,  and even I've been thinking about this more since last years playoff exit.  To me, if we get knocked out of the playoffs again and the defense is the main reason why (giving up 25+ points again), then I think it's time to move on from McD.  I'm not a McD hater by any means.  I will always be grateful for the culture he's brought to this team and the winning we've experienced since pulling us from the drought.  However, if our D (his specialty) fails us again, then I feel very confident to say that McD has taken us as far as he can as a coach.  It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just means he's not a Superbowl caliber coach.  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

I guess I'm just at the point where these playoffs losses haven't been talent related so much as they've been outcoached and outschemed.  We put so much focus on the defensive roster over the years, especially this year, that it's time to put up or shut up.  If not, then we are just defining insanity by running it back.

 

The stadium excuse was just strange to me.  Why would that be a factor as the stadium is new to McD too.  

Pretty sure they have run out of things to talk about.  

[Fleezoid]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

 

Interesting analysis. It's almost like every team is playing checkers during the regular season, and when the playoffs hit, other teams are playing chess, and the Bills are still playing checkers. 

[Goin Breakdown]

10 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

Interesting analysis. It's almost like every team is playing checkers during the regular season, and when the playoffs hit, other teams are playing chess, and the Bills are still playing checkers. 

Right. Because McD plays a great game of checkers so why stop. Ego? Not smart enough? I don't think so. Has to be ego right?  "We believe in our players and scheme and we just need to be sound and fundamental."  This doesn't work when the other team obviously wants to be sound and fundamental as well, but still chooses to change things up a bit. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

and even attack his character, personality, and faith.

Examples???

I am on him like stink on a pig for sucky big game coaching. I HATE losing

Why

Because that is the next step. 
What I , and others hate, is refusal to acknowledge he has failed in this area with out the plethora of repeated excuses. 
I don’t hate him and I literally haven’t seen anyone question his faith and wonder what it has to do with anything.

Edited August 12 by Buffalo Boy

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Examples???

I am on him like stink on a pig for sucky big game coaching. I HATE losing

Why

Because that is the next step. 
What I , and others hate, is refusal to acknowledge he has failed in this area with out the plethora of repeated excuses. 
I don’t hate him and I literally haven’t seen anyone question his faith and wonder what it has to do with anything.

They have no examples of it. Nobody is saying anything that would suggest as much. It makes certain posters more comfortable to dismiss these opinions as byproducts of hate so they can ignore validity or distract from the topic. The argument has always been he fails in the postseason. It hasn't been anything else. I don't think I have even insulated him before by calling him stupid or this or that. He's just not the guy you want chasing a Lombardi.  

[Solomon Grundy]

On 8/12/2025 at 12:33 PM, Fleezoid said:

 

Interesting analysis. It's almost like every team is playing checkers during the regular season, and when the playoffs hit, other teams are playing chess, and the Bills are still playing checkers. 

Anybody else think that the Bills would have a ring if Vrabel was HC?

[GoBills808]

On 8/12/2025 at 7:25 AM, Mikie2times said:

They have no examples of it. Nobody is saying anything that would suggest as much. It makes certain posters more comfortable to dismiss these opinions as byproducts of hate so they can ignore validity or distract from the topic. The argument has always been he fails in the postseason. It hasn't been anything else. I don't think I have even insulated him before by calling him stupid or this or that. He's just not the guy you want chasing a Lombardi.  

Oh I've called him stupid before but that's only because he is

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Oh I've called him stupid before but that's only because he is

I remember when the Colts went thru this with Manning, who we share so much with, just thinking, can't they see this is Dungy? How do they keep going back to this. Mind you, Manning at the time certainly wasn't delivering what Josh is, but I just didn't understand how nobody could see how destine that team was to fall apart in the postseason. Then how they just ran it back year after year. They did end up getting one. It took a miracle comeback on offense and one the weakest NFC Super Bowl candidates in NFL history in the Bears, but they got the ring. That is what I view as the best case scenario for us. We might get one. We probably could of had 3 or 4.

 

McD isn't stupid and Dungy isn't either, but they're very similar in strategy, scheme, culture, process, etc. They're both builders not finishers. Both are elite at building a foundation and culture.  People think the end result of building something like that is inevitable but that's just not the case. It takes different qualities to climb Everest as it does to reach the summit. But here we are, what are we supposed to do? Just fling negative energy all the time? His success is our success and he will be the HC here for the foreseeable future. I want him to do it. I hope he can.

 

Going to lay off and enjoy the season at this point. Too much negative otherwise.

Edited August 13 by Mikie2times

[SoTier]

On 8/12/2025 at 12:26 PM, Mikie2times said:

 

He is basically the same as Dungy. Very similar philosophies, people, etc. 

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with being like Tony Dungy, who happens to have as many Super Bowl wins as that turd Gruden.

 

On 8/12/2025 at 1:25 PM, Mikie2times said:

They have no examples of it. Nobody is saying anything that would suggest as much. It makes certain posters more comfortable to dismiss these opinions as byproducts of hate so they can ignore validity or distract from the topic. The argument has always been he fails in the postseason. It hasn't been anything else. I don't think I have even insulated him before by calling him stupid or this or that. He's just not the guy you want chasing a Lombardi.  

 

If Royale With Cheese hadn't hit so close to the truth, you and your pal Buffalo Boy wouldn't be so angry about it.   Of course, GoBills808 has shown his colors throughout this thread -- and numerous others.

 

 

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

There's nothing wrong with being like Tony Dungy, who happens to have as many Super Bowl wins as that turd Gruden.

 

 

If Royale With Cheese hadn't hit so close to the truth, you and your pal Buffalo Boy wouldn't be so angry about it.   Of course, GoBills808 has shown his colors throughout this thread -- and numerous others.

 

 

😂😂At least @ me 

[Mikie2times]

15 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

There's nothing wrong with being like Tony Dungy, who happens to have as many Super Bowl wins as that turd Gruden.

 

 

If Royale With Cheese hadn't hit so close to the truth, you and your pal Buffalo Boy wouldn't be so angry about it.   Of course, GoBills808 has shown his colors throughout this thread -- and numerous others.

 

 

What exact truth dude that poster hit? 

Edited August 14 by Mikie2times