WotAGuy Posted August 4 Posted August 4 29 minutes ago, NoSaint said: very few running back careers have ended at practice may he not look his best playing injured or missing time? Sure. But this isn’t his best either. I was being facetious but since you bit, let’s say he has a preseason injury that affects the upcoming season. He just lost his best chance for the top dollar contract for his entire career. If I were him, I’d hold in until the regular season and then take my chances. These guys on rookie contracts have zero leverage. He’s using the only tactics he has at his disposal, and it’s better than requesting a trade, which is laughable. 2 Quote
Billl Posted August 4 Posted August 4 21 minutes ago, RangerDave said: If Cook makes $15 million, doesn't that leave less money under the cap for the rest of his teammates? Yeah, he’s stealing money from the next guy like Diggs who they just paid $31 million not to play for them and the rotational defensive linemen who got suspended for PEDs that the Bills just gave $20 million guaranteed. Why would you pay market value to the guy who just put up 134 yards and 2 TDs in the AFCCG after scoring 18 TDs in the regular season when you could save half a percent of the salary cap and give it to guys who are going to be suspended for cheating? 2 1 1 1 Quote
ScottishBills Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: You can't be this naïve right? I mean seriously I am not trying to be mean but do you have any idea how the NFL works? Did you complain that Josh and Shakir and Rousseau and Oliver and Benford, and Bernard all got contract extensions before their deals were done? I think the only player that hit free agency and came back to Buffalo was Milano. Surely this is no more or less naive than believing Cook is in the right when your own long list of players ALL got this done quietly and quickly!? The list is the proof of the quality of the Bills' offers. 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: You can't be this naïve right? I mean seriously I am not trying to be mean but do you have any idea how the NFL works? Did you complain that Josh and Shakir and Rousseau and Oliver and Benford, and Bernard all got contract extensions before their deals were done? I think the only player that hit free agency and came back to Buffalo was Milano. Epenesa, and Hamlin also. (Although not big contracts) Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: 2018 Steelers went from a 13 win team to a 9 win team with Bell holding out. They went from 20th in rushing to 31st. But wait, didn't James Connor make the probowl rushing in 2018? And didn't they decide in the offseason yo move to a more passing offense resulting in Roethlisberger throwing for over 5100 yards? Just want to get all the facts. Edited August 5 by SoonerBillsFan Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Epenesa, and Hamlin also. (Although not big contracts) Ah good catch. I hated both those deals. 3 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted August 5 Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, Billl said: Yeah, he’s stealing money from the next guy like Diggs who they just paid $31 million not to play for them and the rotational defensive linemen who got suspended for PEDs that the Bills just gave $20 million guaranteed. Why would you pay market value to the guy who just put up 134 yards and 2 TDs in the AFCCG after scoring 18 TDs in the regular season when you could save half a percent of the salary cap and give it to guys who are going to be suspended for cheating? The guy who it took 17 games to make 1000 yards and only scored 4 rushing TD's in his career before last year where they were trying to reduce damage to Allen with a broken hand? Quote
ScottishBills Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said: Ah good catch. I hated both those deals. These are the exact type of contracts that grind my gears. Middling (at best) players but we are obsessed with maintaining a floor and pay over the odds to do so. Taking a chance on something different (FA or rookie) and use that money to pay top end players. Difference makers. Rather than players who make no difference Quote
RangerDave Posted August 5 Posted August 5 22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Everything you said is wrong. Cook is so much better than Davis and Johnson. To even compare them is laughable. Guys don't get bothered by holdouts. They all want to get paid too. They know it is a business. They see that Cook is underpaid. They support each other. It does nothing to the culture. In any other business if you have a contract that lasts five years, the business can't just tear it up if you get hurt. How did cutting an injured Tre White affect the culture? Real men honor their contracts huh???? So why didn't the Bills honor the contracts of Tre White? Just answer that one question for me... I don't know of any other industry that has a salary cap and a cap of how many employees you can keep. Cutting injured players is not good, but given the constraints, it has to happen, I believe. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 minute ago, ScottishBills said: Surely this is no more or less naive than believing Cook is in the right when your own long list of players ALL got this done quietly and quickly!? The list is the proof of the quality of the Bills' offers. Outside of Rousseau and Oliver, who were 1st round picks at premium positions and therefore got paid way more than they had proven and happy to take that money, all the other guys were mid/late round picks from small programs who are thrilled to just be playing in the NFL. It's easier for Beane to pay a bit of a premium on Greg and Ed since they are on the DL. But if Beane was low-balling them because of their position and some philosphy of "you dont pay DL", then who knows how things would have turned out. Especially considering they are rotational players who only play a percentage of snaps as well. Quote
NoSaint Posted August 5 Posted August 5 5 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: I was being facetious but since you bit, let’s say he has a preseason injury that affects the upcoming season. He just lost his best chance for the top dollar contract for his entire career. If I were him, I’d hold in until the regular season and then take my chances. These guys on rookie contracts have zero leverage. He’s using the only tactics he has at his disposal, and it’s better than requesting a trade, which is laughable. which is, of course, the quickest way to a nagging soft tissue injury during the season theres no great way through it… but odds are his career won’t be ended in August. Even an acl today sees him back to 100% come next year, as opposed to a late season one. he’d be able to workout next spring Popping his Achilles would be basically the only this in August that would really impact his next deal largely. Quote
Billl Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: The guy who it took 17 games to make 1000 yards and only scored 4 rushing TD's in his career before last year where they were trying to reduce damage to Allen with a broken hand? Even if your absurd logic were true, why did they wait until Josh broke his hand to give him the ball? He literally set the franchise single season record for TDs in a season before scoring 2 more in the AFCCG. (By the way, if you read the postgame threads, most of this board was convinced that the Bills would have won that game if they’d have given him the ball on the final, failed drive.) 2 Quote
RiotAct Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 hours ago, BVBILLS said: At least he's not getting hurt … for now. Quote
NoSaint Posted August 5 Posted August 5 40 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I feel conflicted. I understand the player position, yet find it hard to feel any sort of sympathy for a millionaire. Sometimes I don't think they realize the privilege they have. He should maximize his outcomes - I don’t dispute that I’m just not sure he’s gaining much in the equation with this specific approach Quote
WotAGuy Posted August 5 Posted August 5 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: which is, of course, the quickest way to a nagging soft tissue injury during the season theres no great way through it… but odds are his career won’t be ended in August. Even an acl today sees him back to 100% come next year, as opposed to a late season one. he’d be able to workout next spring Popping his Achilles would be basically the only this in August that would really impact his next deal largely. Why would he choose to risk it? It makes zero sense. Quote
JerseyBills Posted August 5 Posted August 5 15 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: You can't be this naïve right? I mean seriously I am not trying to be mean but do you have any idea how the NFL works? Did you complain that Josh and Shakir and Rousseau and Oliver and Benford, and Bernard all got contract extensions before their deals were done? I think the only player that hit free agency and came back to Buffalo was Milano. I completely understand It's very very simple brother, those guys all agreed on a certain contract, they approached Cook with a good contract and refused to kneel down to him and his ridiculous agent Feel bad for the kid , his agent is a joke around the league, you don't have to believe me but that's a fact and he's hurting this kid in the long run Quote
Rousseauisnoschmo Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: Cook is on the same level or better than all of them besides Josh he just doesn't play a premium position. Comments like this make it really hard not to be a total smartass and get suspended by the mods for a month. 1 Quote
HOUSE Posted August 5 Posted August 5 This guy would look great in a Cleveland Browns uniform 1 1 Quote
ScottishBills Posted August 5 Posted August 5 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Outside of Rousseau and Oliver, who It's easier for Beane to pay a bit of a premium on Greg and Ed since they are on the DL. But if Beane was low-balling them because of their position and some philosphy of "you dont pay DL", then who knows how things would have turned out. I think that's my point though. The deal history suggests there isn't much evidence of Beanie low balling anyone. None of us actually know, but on the things we do know, it's at the very least just as likely that Cook is high-balling the Bills (Don't think high balling is a thing, but makes sense to me 🤦🏽♂️) Quote
Billl Posted August 5 Posted August 5 5 minutes ago, NoSaint said: which is, of course, the quickest way to a nagging soft tissue injury during the season theres no great way through it… but odds are his career won’t be ended in August. Even an acl today sees him back to 100% come next year, as opposed to a late season one. he’d be able to workout next spring Popping his Achilles would be basically the only this in August that would really impact his next deal largely. First page of the Lounge: Baylon Spector hurt Khalil Shakir hurt All these injuries are becoming worrisome Maxwell Hairston hurt But yeah, not participating in training camp is likely going to get him injured. 1 1 Quote
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