Report: Terry McLaurin requests trade

[Buffalo4Life01]

8 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I’ll just quote myself from another post here. If our offense had “major improvements” it would probably be a top-5 all time offense. We shouldn’t need to be a top-5 all time offense to make the SB. Our defense has to just not suck.

 

Bills defense:

- Surrendered more points to the Chiefs than any other team all season.

- Had to face the 17th ranked offense by yards, 15th ranked offense by points
 

Bills offense:

- Scored more points against the Chiefs than any other team to that point (other than Bills part 1 and week 17 with all backups).

- Scored the most points in a game vs KC in Arrowhead since October 10, 2022.

- Had to face the 9th ranked defense by yards, 4th ranked defense by points

 

I don’t really care about a single play or single drive. The Bills offense had an excellent game against a top defense and did their part. The Bills defense could not slow down an entirely mediocre KC offense. Period.

It's hard to argue against the facts you present and I'm not faulting Josh or the offense at all.  I just remember watching the game and feeling like every yard gained, every first down, the offense had to try really, really hard to make it happen.  Most of the scripted and scheduled plays didn't work well or seemed very difficult while some of the off schedule plays kept things going.  I still feel like having a true alpha male wr1 with the ability to win one on one or go up and grab contested balls is something this offense is missing (and definitely was missing last season.  Keon might end up being a star but he is no where near there right now).

I don't agree with you that the offense had an excellent game.  They played pretty well all things considered but left way too many plays on the field.  

[BillsShredder83]

10 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I’ll just quote myself from another post here. If our offense had “major improvements” it would probably be a top-5 all time offense. We shouldn’t need to be a top-5 all time offense to make the SB. Our defense has to just not suck.

 

Bills defense:

- Surrendered more points to the Chiefs than any other team all season.

- Had to face the 17th ranked offense by yards, 15th ranked offense by points
 

Bills offense:

- Scored more points against the Chiefs than any other team to that point (other than Bills part 1 and week 17 with all backups).

- Scored the most points in a game vs KC in Arrowhead since October 10, 2022.

- Had to face the 9th ranked defense by yards, 4th ranked defense by points

 

I don’t really care about a single play or single drive. The Bills offense had an excellent game against a top defense and did their part. The Bills defense could not slow down an entirely mediocre KC offense. Period.

Does it matter how we solve the problem?  No matter what we add to the defense, we have no clue if it will be enough to get over the top.  KC just out schemes our defense, always leaving wide open looks.  Its a matchup league, plugging one hole (even massively) on Defense still leaves 10 other potential exploits.

 

One beast on offense can almost assure more points, both/either directly with that player or by opening up other avenues.  IMO its much more predictable/consistent/cheaper/more efficient to try and add 7 points, than it is to try and stop 7 points.  We've seen this play out both for and against us

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Does it matter how we solve the problem?  No matter what we add to the defense, we have no clue if it will be enough to get over the top.  KC just out schemes our defense, always leaving wide open looks.  Its a matchup league, plugging one hole (even massively) on Defense still leaves 10 other potential exploits.

 

One beast on offense can almost assure more points, both/either directly with that player or by opening up other avenues.  IMO its much more predictable/consistent/cheaper/more efficient to try and add 7 points, than it is to try and stop 7 points.  We've seen this play out both for and against us

 Brilliant post 👏🏼👏🏼

[Alphadawg7]

Terry isn't worth the money some of you want to pay him.  He isn't a top 3 WR, about to be 30, yet people want to pay his $33M per?  I like Terry, wouldn't be upset if he was a Bill, but I can't see Beane both trading both a valued trade asset and then also paying what is a good (but not great) WR top 3 money who is on the wrong end of his career spectrum.  

 

Its telling that his own team, one with lofty expectations and a QB who will be on a rookie deal during the entire time of Terrys new deal, doesn't want to pay him that either.  If there is a team that can pay him that its the Commanders - and they don't want to. 

 

But no doubt this thread gets long before he most likely stays in Washington for what most people expect to be a team to challenge for a division title and a good playoff run.  

 

Anything is possible, maybe Beane surprises here, but given how fond they are of our current offense and group combined with what Terry wants, it just feels quite unlikely that we would try and feels even more unlikely the Commanders would actually go through with any trade given they have big expectations this year and a QB that would be on a rookie deal during Terrys new deal.  

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

Terry isn't worth the money some of you want to pay him.  He isn't a top 3 WR, about to be 30, yet people want to pay his $33M per?  I like Terry, wouldn't be upset if he was a Bill, but I can't see Beane both trading both a valued trade asset and then also paying what is a good (but not great) WR top 3 money who is on the wrong end of his career spectrum.  

 

Its telling that his own team, one with lofty expectations and a QB who will be on a rookie deal during the entire time of Terrys new deal, doesn't want to pay him that either.  If there is a team that can pay him that its the Commanders - and they don't want to. 

 

But no doubt this thread gets long before he most likely stays in Washington for what most people expect to be a team to challenge for a division title and a good playoff run.  

 

Anything is possible, maybe Beane surprises here, but given how fond they are of our current offense and group combined with what Terry wants, it just feels quite unlikely that we would try and feels even more unlikely the Commanders would actually go through with any trade given they have big expectations this year and a QB that would be on a rookie deal during Terrys new deal.  

Nobody “wants” to pay a guy significantly more than he’s making if they don’t have to. Washington is now at the point that they have to. He will be at $30M plus, in Washington, within the next week.

[Alphadawg7]

27 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Does it matter how we solve the problem?  No matter what we add to the defense, we have no clue if it will be enough to get over the top.  KC just out schemes our defense, always leaving wide open looks.  Its a matchup league, plugging one hole (even massively) on Defense still leaves 10 other potential exploits.

 

One beast on offense can almost assure more points, both/either directly with that player or by opening up other avenues.  IMO its much more predictable/consistent/cheaper/more efficient to try and add 7 points, than it is to try and stop 7 points.  We've seen this play out both for and against us

 

We scored plenty of points against KC - but its never enough.  To ask us to keep scoring even more points is a lot harder (as it takes entire drives, multiple plays, etc) than simply making just ONE more play on defense to get KC off the field one more time preventing a scoring drive in games we lost by 1 score.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We scored plenty of points against KC - but its never enough.  To ask us to keep scoring even more points is a lot harder (as it takes entire drives, multiple plays, etc) than simply making just ONE more play on defense to get KC off the field one more time preventing a scoring drive in games we lost by 1 score.

We didn’t score plenty of points because we lost. You never score “plenty” of points in a loss. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Bring him in!

Oh, wait.  I had the wrong Terry.

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Nobody “wants” to pay a guy significantly more than he’s making if they don’t have to. Washington is now at the point that they have to. He will be at $30M plus, in Washington, within the next week.

 

I don't disagree, he will.  But the point is, they don't think he is worth it.  Guys like JJ, Hill, Chase, etc didn't have teams not willing to pay them at the top of the market.  They got their deals done easily.  Guys like Terry, Aiyuk, etc have to fight for their money because their teams don't think they are worth the money but cave due to the team also being a SB contender with QB's on rookie deals.  

 

The point is, if Terry was worth that the Commanders could have easily just gave it to him, they can do it easier than anyone else too.  They feel its too much for what is a good, but not great, WR.  And now people want the Bills to over pay for a guy that will screw our cap up moving forward who is about to be 30.  The amount of overpay people are always willing to do here for a WR is crazy to me. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 03:36 PM by Alphadawg7

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That logic tracks.

 

But maybe they didn't want to give up picks this year given all they had to do and roster spots they had to fill. Especially a high pick this year.

 

I tend to agree with you. But maybe adding a player like McLaurin while still being able to get Sanders and Jackson and pay for him with picks next year (and/or player(s)) might be more intriguing.

Unless they like McClaurin's skill set more than Metcalf's.  They've already made their investment in Palmer though who's about to turn 26.  I just don't see it with this regime who's made it clear how they want their offense built from the inside out giving a lot of guaranteed money to a WR about to turn 30.  I thought he was a lot younger than that before he demanded a trade as he was drafted at 23.

[BillsVet]

31 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Does it matter how we solve the problem?  No matter what we add to the defense, we have no clue if it will be enough to get over the top.  KC just out schemes our defense, always leaving wide open looks.  Its a matchup league, plugging one hole (even massively) on Defense still leaves 10 other potential exploits.

 

One beast on offense can almost assure more points, both/either directly with that player or by opening up other avenues.  IMO its much more predictable/consistent/cheaper/more efficient to try and add 7 points, than it is to try and stop 7 points.  We've seen this play out both for and against us

 

The early 2010s Seahawks built an excellent defense, but injuries, contract extensions, age, etc. didn't allow it to continue at that level very long.  And they had true elite defensive talent unlike the McBeane defensive roster.  Still managed to win a SB and appear in another.    

 

The model of maintaining a defense with upwards of 15-17 starters/key depth is not and never will be an efficient use of resources when you have a franchise QB.    

 

Still, 2025 will provide the verdict on McBeane's strategy of not substantially investing in WRs and therefore Josh while going defense-heavy again.    

 

If this strategy doesn't get them to the SB, there's no more doubling to tripling down on that approach.  It has to be pivoted from and they embrace a Josh-first team featuring real a real WR1 that emphasizes throwing it.  Because if it doesn't and they're 6 straight seasons without a SB appearance there's no room to run.    

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect, but this was a pretty silly response to what I just wrote.  I am not even gonna bother here bro, no offense.  You are firmly in the sky is falling WR crowd, and have been.  I already know there is no reasonable discussion to be had here with you, which is fine, we are all entitled to our opinions.  But lets just fast forward to the agree to disagree here and save each other a bunch of time today.  Cheers

That’s a pretty lazy way to have a discussion. Those were your words, not mine. The Bills have thrown TONS of resources in terms of draft picks and money at the defense in this regime. The results have been pretty much exactly the same. They can’t stop KC in the big moments. I don’t want to keep trying the same thing and hoping for different results. I want to turbocharge Josh so that they end up with “plenty” of points. I think building around Josh Allen is a better strategy than trying to have him cover for lesser guys.

I don’t think the sky is falling. I do, firmly believe, that WR is one of the worst 2 position groups on the team with S. Do you agree or disagree with that point? If you disagree, which groups are worse? If you agree, do you agree that he would be the best receiver on the Bills tomorrow (that’s rhetorical)? Do you also agree, that he will almost certainly be more impactful over the next 3 years than a WR picked at 28 or later? Instead of throwing a jab and running, go ahead and answer those very specific questions.

[Lost]

Our passing game has looked pretty putrid ever since we fired Dorsey to be honest.  It was at its peak that least half a season under Daboll when we had a prime Stefon Diggs and really leaned into the passing game.   Now we've morphed into a run heavy team with a lackluster WR unit and have gone from trying to protect Josh from abusing his body to him basically running the ball every other play.   Yeah we scored a lot of points last year, doesn't mean the passing game hasn't looked bad at times and leaves me wondering how many more points we could have scored with a true elite boundary receiver.   Right now we're all praying that Coleman evolves into that.  

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s a pretty lazy way to have a discussion. Those were your words, not mine. The Bills have thrown TONS of resources in terms of draft picks and money at the defense in this regime. The results have been pretty much exactly the same. They can’t stop KC in the big moments. I don’t want to keep trying the same thing and hoping for different results. I want to turbocharge Josh so that they end up with “plenty” of points. I think building around Josh Allen is a better strategy than trying to have him cover for lesser guys.

I don’t think the sky is falling. I do, firmly believe, that WR is one of the worst 2 position groups on the team with S. Do you agree or disagree with that point? If you disagree, which groups are worse? If you agree, do you agree that he would be the best receiver on the Bills tomorrow (that’s rhetorical)? Do you also agree, that he will almost certainly be more impactful over the next 3 years than a WR picked at 28 or later? Instead of throwing a jab and running, go ahead and answer those very specific questions.

 

Its not lazy, its just pointless because we already know where each other stand and nothing we say will change the others mind.  My time is limited, so going round and round in a pointless discussion that just had a silly response already that didn't even address what I really wrote is not something I felt had any value to either of us.  

 

You seem to believe more in individual talent - I believe more in group make up that watched teams like KC and Pats build dynasties.  So I don't share your sentiment about our WR room, just like I didn't agree last year when people said the offense was going to go backwards and yet it was historically good, best in Bills history, and Allens first MVP.  And quite honestly, we should have made the SB last year if not for the refs flipping the game in the 4th by 11-15 points that we eventually lost by only 3. 

 

Its all good, but agree to disagree here is where I am at as there is nothing this discussion will change about either of our individual opinions that hasn't been said 1000 times the past 12 months already.  

 

But - last thing I will say is that I am always for adding talent, where I push back is this delusion that gets pushed here that another WR automatically means the greatest offense in Bills history magically scores more, and that is not how it works.  We had a better WR than Terry in Diggs and scored less.  We scored 31 ppg last year in a season many here predicted the offense was going to be worse because we lost our top 2 WRs.  Now to ask this team to go out and score even more puts us in top 10 offense of all time category level of points, that is not at all easily accomplished and its crystal clear to me just how disconnected many people here are with the realism of what that actually takes and means on an NFL field.  On top top of that, most of the top 10 offenses didn't win a SB either, or even make one - so its not the end all be all solution many incorrectly assume it to be.

 

So again, agree to disagree.  There is nothing anyone can ever say to me to convince me that defense wasnt our biggest issue just like nothing I can say to you will make you feel differently about how badly you think we need another WR.  End of the day, we simply do not see the WR room the same, but more importantly we definitely do not see the issues of our playoff exits the same which to me has way more to do with our defense than offense.  And thats ok, we are all entitled to our opinions

 

Cheers - GoBills

Edited Friday at 04:12 PM by Alphadawg7

[SCBills]

54 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We scored plenty of points against KC - but its never enough.  To ask us to keep scoring even more points is a lot harder (as it takes entire drives, multiple plays, etc) than simply making just ONE more play on defense to get KC off the field one more time preventing a scoring drive in games we lost by 1 score.

In fairness, our offense was pretty meh in the first half and until Josh hit Mack Hollins for that TD before half, he was struggling some. 
 

And yea, our Defense was trash, again.. players injured, again..

 

But if Kincaid makes that catch, maybe we win.  If we aren’t so predictable on two QB sneaks to give the refs the chance to give KC and edge on two spots, maybe we win. 
 

Our Offense was also in no position to go blow for blow against Baltimore if they didn’t, in typical Baltimore fashion, make a ton of mistakes (some forced by our Defense.)

 

We had a great Offense last year. Always do.  But that playoff run showed some cracks around JA.   They might be fixed with a Year 3 Kincaid, Year 2 Keon and the addition of Palmer/Moore.. but we could really use that second elite playmaker outside Allen.  On either side of the ball.   It doesn’t matter.  Just one guy who we know gets a bucket when it matters. 

[Buffalo4Life01]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

In fairness, our offense was pretty meh in the first half and until Josh hit Mack Hollins for that TD before half, he was struggling some. 
 

And yea, our Defense was trash, again.. players injured, again..

 

But if Kincaid makes that catch, maybe we win.  If we aren’t so predictable on two QB sneaks to give the refs the chance to give KC and edge on two spots, maybe we win. 
 

Our Offense was also in no position to go blow for blow against Baltimore if they didn’t, in typical Baltimore fashion, make a ton of mistakes (some forced by our Defense.)

 

We had a great Offense last year. Always do.  But that playoff run showed some cracks around JA.   They might be fixed with a Year 3 Kincaid, Year 2 Keon and the addition of Palmer/Moore.. but we could really use that second elite playmaker outside Allen.  On either side of the ball.   It doesn’t matter.  Just one guy who we know gets a bucket when it matters. 

Very thoughtful and well said post.  I agree with this 100%.

[Doc Brown]

44 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think the sky is falling. I do, firmly believe, that WR is one of the worst 2 position groups on the team with S. Do you agree or disagree with that point? If you disagree, which groups are worse? If you agree, do you agree that he would be the best receiver on the Bills tomorrow (that’s rhetorical)? Do you also agree, that he will almost certainly be more impactful over the next 3 years than a WR picked at 28 or later? Instead of throwing a jab and running, go ahead and answer those very specific questions.

There's no disputing that.  McDermott's memorable line of when they signed Emmanuel Sanders to play across from Diggs was "we don't want to lose our fastball."  Gabe Davis as the #4 was perfect.  What changed between then and now I have no clue.  They saw how Davis was as a WR#2 in 2022 and still refused to upgrade.  A lot of us on here were pushing for Hopkins who pry had a couple of prime years left in 2023.  Nothing.  Trade up for Addison/Flower.  Nothing.  Trade up for Brian Thomas Jr..  Nothing.  Trade a 2nd and a 5th for DK Metcalf.  Nothing.  I worry about having to give draft assets away but if McClaurin was a free agent I'd be all over paying him 30 plus million for three years.  It's not going to happen though because Beane already showed us multiple times since the Diggs trade he won't do it.

[Gregg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/bills-dream-trade-scenario-is-on-the-table-thanks-to-terry-mclaurin-curveball/ar-AA1JK2qJ?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=d11e2b5915c74196858ae86a75cd347c&ei=13

[Alphadawg7]

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

In fairness, our offense was pretty meh in the first half and until Josh hit Mack Hollins for that TD before half, he was struggling some. 
 

 

Bengals offense with Chase and HIggins with Burrow is pretty meh in games too.  This is the NFL, teams are paid good money to slow offenses down too, adding a WR does not ever change that.  To expect an offense to be humming start to finish in a game is incredibly unrealistic.  

 

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

And yea, our Defense was trash, again.. players injured, again..

 

Wasn't just trash, we gave up over 30 to a team that did not score 30 in any other game the entire season and post season that was also down 38-0 at one point in its next game. 

 

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

But if Kincaid makes that catch, maybe we win.  If we aren’t so predictable on two QB sneaks to give the refs the chance to give KC and edge on two spots, maybe we win. 
 

 

The only reason this play happened is because the refs stole a first down from us in the 4th and flipped the game by 11-15 points.  With a lead and in scoring position we not once, but twice, got a clear first down on the same series.  Now add in Kincaid was playing hurt, we had to play Elam who got abused, etc and again WR doesn't seem to be our biggest issue.  Also add in that we had WR's wide open multiple times on the final series, including the play to Kincaid, and again, the issue wasn't the WR, it was the offensive execution that failed to get them the ball between tipped passes, missed blitz pickups etc.  

 

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Our Offense was also in no position to go blow for blow against Baltimore if they didn’t, in typical Baltimore fashion, make a ton of mistakes (some forced by our Defense.)

 

We had the highest PPG in the AFC playoffs.  More than Baltimore.  How were we not in position to go blow for blow against another elite offense?  You see, that is the nature of the game when TWO elite offenses go head to head, its often a close game with lots of points scored.  We won.  

 

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We had a great Offense last year. Always do.  But that playoff run showed some cracks around JA.   They might be fixed with a Year 3 Kincaid, Year 2 Keon and the addition of Palmer/Moore.. but we could really use that second elite playmaker outside Allen.  On either side of the ball.   It doesn’t matter.  Just one guy who we know gets a bucket when it matters. 

 

I am always for adding talent, and we did get better clearly IMHO in terms of weapons for Allen between both the additions and having guys like Keon more experienced, and guys healthy again as well.  But this idea just adding another WR equals more points is not how it works.  Diggs is a better WR than Terry and we averaged less points when Diggs was here.  Its not the end all be all solution it gets made out to be. 

 

Defense however has been a massive achilles heal in all of playoff exits.  2024 no team in the AFC averaged more points per game than the Bills in either the regular season or the playoffs.  Yet we were eliminated by allowing a team to score over 30 that failed to score 30 in any other game on the entire season.  

Edited Friday at 05:38 PM by Alphadawg7

[PrimeTime101]

No Thanks. I do not want to be stuck in cap hell for the next 3-5 years and on top of that.. add a potential Diva to this team.

 

nope. already spent to much.