nosejob Posted Tuesday at 01:50 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:50 AM (edited) I voted DT. I think with DQ and Ogun out, they finally get a chance at a T. Sweat type of guy to solidify our Dline for years. I think BB is gonna build a good line. Picking 28-30 too low for stud DE or a BTJ, but able to grab up another stud upfront. Edited Tuesday at 01:51 AM by nosejob 1 Quote
El Guapo Posted Tuesday at 02:55 AM Posted Tuesday at 02:55 AM Look, guys. We pick late in the first round. Most teams only have 12 to 17 with first round grades. That means we’re always picking second round talent. That’s the cost of success on the field. So to expect a day one starter with our first pick is really stretch . And that goes throughout the draft. We’re picking late because of our success on the field. That means 30th in the second round, 30th in the third round and so on. Beane’s draft, every year, is handicapped from the start. I know that sucks, but that’s the fact of life for the Buffalo Bills. We could have worse situations in the draft. Quote
machine gun kelly Posted Tuesday at 09:56 AM Posted Tuesday at 09:56 AM It’s a hard question to answer as right now it’s hard to know how good on defense Sander, Jackson, amd Williams will be once rolling. I’m hopeful at least two workout so I went with WR. I don’t trust Samuels at all as he’s always hurt. Moore could workout, but a stud WR would excel with Josh. So my final answer is WR with a possibility of D Lineman. Daquan is probably done after this years. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted Tuesday at 11:39 AM Posted Tuesday at 11:39 AM I don’t think that it can be another prime asset on defense. In the salary cap era, you need to inject young talent on both sides of the ball. WR obviously makes the most sense but this is a weak WR class. Although at 32, there’s probably some value. OL is the other sneaky option. I don’t think that they can pay the OGs so you might see some turnover there. Quote
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 12:08 PM Posted Tuesday at 12:08 PM 26 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think that it can be another prime asset on defense. In the salary cap era, you need to inject young talent on both sides of the ball. WR obviously makes the most sense but this is a weak WR class. Although at 32, there’s probably some value. OL is the other sneaky option. I don’t think that they can pay the OGs so you might see some turnover there. Since Josh Allen only 9 of 24 picks in the first three rounds have been offense and THREE of those have been running back. That means since drafting Josh only SIX premium picks have been spent on blockers and pass catchers (I know RBs can catch passes but not their primary use). Ford, Knox, Brown, Kincaid, Torrence and Coleman for those wondering. 1 2 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted Tuesday at 12:18 PM Posted Tuesday at 12:18 PM 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Since Josh Allen only 9 of 24 picks in the first three rounds have been offense and THREE of those have been running back. That means since drafting Josh only SIX premium picks have been spent on blockers and pass catchers (I know RBs can catch passes but not their primary use). Ford, Knox, Brown, Kincaid, Torrence and Coleman for those wondering. I know what you’re trying to get at here, but when I see the list at the bottom of your post that means they’ve drafted a starting RB, 2 starting TEs, a starting OT, a starting OG, and a starting WR. Since QB is off the board, that list is pretty much their entire starting offense. No? Quote
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 12:56 PM Posted Tuesday at 12:56 PM 24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I know what you’re trying to get at here, but when I see the list at the bottom of your post that means they’ve drafted a starting RB, 2 starting TEs, a starting OT, a starting OG, and a starting WR. Since QB is off the board, that list is pretty much their entire starting offense. No? I mean, no. It's 3 fifths of an OL, and at least one receiver short even if you are running a ton of 12 personnel. Now they have built a decent OL with a longer tenured vet in Dion and some clever IOL free agent moves. But the pass game weaponary is very lacking. After the Packers picked Golden in the 1st this year only two teams have gone longer without picking a receiver in round 1 - the Rams (who have had pretty outstanding success with later round guys in Kupp and Nacua) and the Steelers who have picked four 2nd round receivers in the time the Bills have picked one. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted Tuesday at 01:02 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:02 PM Just now, GunnerBill said: I mean, no. It's 3 fifths of an OL, and at least one receiver short even if you are running a ton of 12 personnel. Now they have built a decent OL with a longer tenured vet in Dion and some clever IOL free agent moves. But the pass game weaponary is very lacking. After the Packers picked Golden in the 1st this year only two teams have gone longer without picking a receiver in round 1 - the Rams (who have had pretty outstanding success with later round guys in Kupp and Nacua) and the Steelers who have picked four 2nd round receivers in the time the Bills have picked one. Gunner, there are only so many first round draft picks you can take over the span of Josh’s still relatively short career. Believe me, I’m often the first one to be critical of McBeane’s strategy but just looking at the 22 starting positions (21 if you remove QB) on BOTH sides of the ball they simply have to spread it around. IMHO, the bigger problem was the total miss on Elam, not the lack of another WR. Now…they really have to hope that Coleman pans out. Quote
Johnnycage46 Posted Tuesday at 01:35 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:35 PM 12 hours ago, Sojourner said: Thats a long and lonely train ride for a first pick in the next draft class. Safe travels on that my friend! Ha! I figured since it's a tad crazy to be discussing next year's draft during this year's training camp...I'd add a little anarchy to the mix. 1 Quote
Process Posted Tuesday at 01:45 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:45 PM DE (Bosa), LB (Milano) and WR (Moore, Samuel) are the needs that stick out at the moment I think (hope) we have the answer at LG already on the roster We could save some cap space moving on from Rapp, but I don't see the point in creating a need there TE could be sneaky need depending on how Kincaid looks this year Quote
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 02:24 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:24 PM 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Gunner, there are only so many first round draft picks you can take over the span of Josh’s still relatively short career. Believe me, I’m often the first one to be critical of McBeane’s strategy but just looking at the 22 starting positions (21 if you remove QB) on BOTH sides of the ball they simply have to spread it around. IMHO, the bigger problem was the total miss on Elam, not the lack of another WR. Now…they really have to hope that Coleman pans out. 8 of the 24 have been on the defensive line and 3 on linebacker. I don't accept 11 on DL/LB as against 6 on OL/WR/TE combined is a fair "spread". 2 Quote
frostbitmic Posted Tuesday at 02:27 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:27 PM Way too early ... that said ... I went Safety - I think Bishop will turn into the guy we want him to be. I believe Hamlin and Forrest are FA's and I like Rapp but I always fear him hurting a teammate or hurting himself. I have to admit that my first thought was Kicker, but not in the first round. I'm hopeful for WR's 3-5 (Palmer, Samuel and Moore) as well as young DE's Solomon and Jackson and the young DT's (Carter, Sanders, Walker) Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Since Josh Allen only 9 of 24 picks in the first three rounds have been offense and THREE of those have been running back. That means since drafting Josh only SIX premium picks have been spent on blockers and pass catchers (I know RBs can catch passes but not their primary use). Ford, Knox, Brown, Kincaid, Torrence and Coleman for those wondering. That’s an unbelievable stat. 2 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted Tuesday at 03:24 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:24 PM 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 8 of the 24 have been on the defensive line and 3 on linebacker. I don't accept 11 on DL/LB as against 6 on OL/WR/TE combined is a fair "spread". It doesn’t work that way. You have to look at the players they have on the roster. Not everyone is acquired via the draft. Quote
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 03:27 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:27 PM Just now, SoCal Deek said: It doesn’t work that way. You have to look at the players they have on the roster. Not everyone is acquired via the draft. Of course. But I'm looking at the players on the roster and I am still seeing one of the weaker receiver rooms in the NFL. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted Tuesday at 03:41 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:41 PM 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Of course. But I'm looking at the players on the roster and I am still seeing one of the weaker receiver rooms in the NFL. We agree there….but the GM has to keep an eye on the entire starting 22. I’d put it to you that the two biggest mistakes in the Josh Allen era were on the defensive side: Von Miller, and Elam. Beane is still trying to fix both of them. It happens. Quote
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 03:48 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:48 PM (edited) 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: We agree there….but the GM has to keep an eye on the entire starting 22. I’d put it to you that the two biggest mistakes in the Josh Allen era were on the defensive side: Von Miller, and Elam. Beane is still trying to fix both of them. It happens. I'd argue, very strongly, that ignoring wide receiver in the draft is right up there with them. Edited Tuesday at 03:49 PM by GunnerBill Quote
SoCal Deek Posted Tuesday at 03:52 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:52 PM 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I'd argue, very strongly, that ignoring wide receiver in the draft is right up there with them. He's drafted two starting Tight Ends and a starting WR. I’m not sure I’d call that ignoring it. Quote
GoBills808 Posted Tuesday at 04:37 PM Posted Tuesday at 04:37 PM 23 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Still a total waste. If we're going to operate under the philosophy of "you dont pay RBs" then they shouldnt be drafted any earlier than the 3rd. We need those 1sts and 2nds becoming long-tenured, contributing, cornerstone players. Not temporary rentals. And if by picking at 32 youre implying that we just won the SB, then there is no way Cook ISNT a big part of that success, and shouldnt be allowed to walk either. Little off topic but I could see a SB victory w out Cook contributing pretty easily tbh That's why for me you can't pay RBs...he's a nice piece not a centerpiece Quote
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