Justin Fields was just carted to the locker room with apparent leg injury

[Sierra Foothills]

13 hours ago, Pete said:

Quick- name the greatest Bears QB! 😂 

 

Sid Luckman.

 

[Gregg]

Speaking of the Jets. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c6282gl2z52o

[Big Turk]

22 hours ago, saundena said:

Talk about a team that doesn't have any luck whatsoever.  If they didn't have their SB3 win, they'd be the most unlucky franchise in league history.  Hope he's ok

 

Detroit? Before the last few years had only a single playoff win since 1957 and have one of the worst playoff win percentages in NFL history.

[Kirby Jackson]

13 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

It wasn’t an insult or compliment. TO ME, it was a fact. He doesn’t have what it takes as an NFL QB, especially one good enough to overcome the cursed Jets. I don’t mean physically as Fields will always have a place as a nice change of pace backup, but mentally it doesn’t seem like he can process the field fast enough. People saw 2 very unlikely QB redemptions in Mayfield & Darnold recently so they think that’s the norm.

You can add Geno to that as well. We’ve seen some guys, with talent, fall out of favor, and catch on elsewhere. I’m not saying Fields will be Josh, or even Baker, but can be Darnold. He was more of a journeyman when he got his break.
 

There are a handful of other guys that could break through with the right opportunity like Darnold and Baker did (Fields, Zach Wilson, Joe Milton, Daniel Jones, Mac Jones). To be clear, I’m not projecting any of these guys to be great or to do that. I do think, with an opportunity, it’s possible that any of them could turn in a Darnold type of season and land a deal similar to his. If the Fields injury isn’t that bad (he appears fine), he looks like the one to get the chance now (maybe Daniel Jones too). 

Edited July 25 by Kirby Jackson

[RoscoeParrish]

35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You can add Geno to that as well. We’ve seen some guys, with talent, fall out of favor, and catch on elsewhere. I’m not saying Fields will be Josh, or even Baker, but can be Darnold. He was more of a journeyman when he got his break.
 

There are a handful of other guys that could break through with the right opportunity like Darnold and Baker did (Fields, Zach Wilson, Joe Milton, Daniel Jones, Mac Jones). To be clear, I’m not projecting any of these guys to be great or to do that. I do think, with an opportunity, it’s possible that any of them could turn in a Darnold type of season and land a deal similar to his. If the Fields injury isn’t that bad (he appears fine), he looks like the one to get the chance now (maybe Daniel Jones too). 

Darnold was traded for a second rounder after he failed in NY.

 

Fields was traded for a sixth rounder after he failed in Chicago.

 

There are levels to this.

[Kirby Jackson]

19 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Darnold was traded for a second rounder after he failed in NY.

 

Fields was traded for a sixth rounder after he failed in Chicago.

 

There are levels to this.

Then Darnold was bad in Carolina and SF. He was no better with the Jets than Fields was with the Bears. In fact, Fields improved with the Bears, while Darnold regressed with the Jets. Fields went to his next stop and went 4-2 (with 2 losses by a FG) prior to being replaced by Russ. The Steelers got worse finishing the year with 4 straight losses (to mostly good teams). Fields was traded for a 6th because EVERYBODY knew he was being replaced by Caleb Williams and they didn’t need to send any decent assets. Context matters here. Fields after Chicago was in better shape as a prospect than Darnold after the Jets. 

[RoscoeParrish]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Then Darnold was bad in Carolina and SF. He was no better with the Jets than Fields was with the Bears. In fact, Fields improved with the Bears, while Darnold regressed with the Jets. Fields went to his next stop and went 4-2 (with 2 losses by a FG) prior to being replaced by Russ. The Steelers got worse finishing the year with 4 straight losses (to mostly good teams). Fields was traded for a 6th because EVERYBODY knew he was being replaced by Caleb Williams and they didn’t need to send any decent assets. Context matters here. Fields after Chicago was in better shape as a prospect than Darnold after the Jets. 

this take doesn’t make sense.

 

Everybody knew the Jets were drafting a QB when they were trading Darnold dude. They had the #2 pick in the 2021 class. He was still worth a second rounder plus two day 3 picks I think.

 

I respect you admitting that you have a soft spot for Fields but these takes sound biased as hell.

Edited July 25 by RoscoeParrish

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You can add Geno to that as well. We’ve seen some guys, with talent, fall out of favor, and catch on elsewhere. I’m not saying Fields will be Josh, or even Baker, but can be Darnold. He was more of a journeyman when he got his break.
 

There are a handful of other guys that could break through with the right opportunity like Darnold and Baker did (Fields, Zach Wilson, Joe Milton, Daniel Jones, Mac Jones). To be clear, I’m not projecting any of these guys to be great or to do that. I do think, with an opportunity, it’s possible that any of them could turn in a Darnold type of season and land a deal similar to his. If the Fields injury isn’t that bad (he appears fine), he looks like the one to get the chance now (maybe Daniel Jones too). 

Is that really what Jets fans want ? An average QB that might berth them a Wildcard slot every 2-3 years? And that’s if everything goes the right way. There’s nothing worse than being “in the hunt” every single year and landing a draft pick just out of the top ten. We went through it with Bills fans. Even the worst teams still have the excitement of the draft.
 

 

Out of the bolded, Joe Milton is player from this list that I would take a chance on only because he’s a completely unknown with insane measurables. Daniel Jones is also someone I think could end up putting it together down the road to become a decent bridge QB.

[billsfan89]

Hoping that this is just a cramp or something. I hate to see injuries.

[benderbender]

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

this take doesn’t make sense.

 

Everybody knew the Jets were drafting a QB when they were trading Darnold dude. They had the #2 pick in the 2021 class. He was still worth a second rounder plus two day 3 picks I think.

 

I respect you admitting that you have a soft spot for Fields but these takes sound biased as hell.

He literally was better late in his time in Chicago than Darnold was late in his time with the Jets. Fields went for a similar package to Baker (the best of all of them). The difference is, the Steelers didn’t play him so they avoided it becoming a 4th. Randy Moss was once traded for a 4th. Trade compensation doesn’t mean much to me. Had the Bears decided to trade Fields before announcing that they were picking Caleb, they cwould have gotten more. 
 

Player A: 13-25 record, 225 total YPG, 59.8 completion %, 50 total TDs, 46 turnovers

 

Player B: 10-28 record, 235 total YPG, 60.3 completion %, 54 total TDs, 41 turnovers

 

In case you didn’t guess, player A is Darnold in NY and player B is Fields in Chicago. To say, “there are levels to this” is just wrong. They were pretty similar, with a slight edge to Fields. That holds especially true if you look at the most recent season for each in NY & Chicago. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Is that really what Jets fans want ? An average QB that might berth them a Wildcard slot every 2-3 years? And that’s if everything goes the right way. There’s nothing worse than being “in the hunt” every single year and landing a draft pick just out of the top ten. We went through it with Bills fans. Even the worst teams still have the excitement of the draft.
 

 

Out of the bolded, Joe Milton is player from this list that I would take a chance on only because he’s a completely unknown with insane measurables. Daniel Jones is also someone I think could end up putting it together down the road to become a decent bridge QB.

 

I mean, thats way better than what theyve had for the last 15 years or so. And I think a lot of Bills fans would have taken that during the heart of the drought.

 

None of those QBs are long term options, but if they got one and managed to sneak into a Wildcard spot just once, it would certainly rejuvenate the fan base. And then you tank when that guys contract is up and hope to nail a QB with an early pick.

 

But I dont even see any of that happening as long as Woody and Brick are in charge.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Is that really what Jets fans want ? An average QB that might berth them a Wildcard slot every 2-3 years? And that’s if everything goes the right way. There’s nothing worse than being “in the hunt” every single year and landing a draft pick just out of the top ten. We went through it with Bills fans. Even the worst teams still have the excitement of the draft.
 

 

Out of the bolded, Joe Milton is player from this list that I would take a chance on only because he’s a completely unknown with insane measurables. Daniel Jones is also someone I think could end up putting it together down the road to become a decent bridge QB.

I don’t think Fields is a guy, or any of those guys, are the guys that you build around. That’s why I used the Darnold (and Geno) examples. They got 3 year deals. That’s what I think Fields could get. If he plays well this year, he could get a bridge deal like that. If he excels in that bridge deal, as Baker has (shouldn’t expect that) he will get a massive deal. He can’t get that coming out of this year IMO. He will need to “prove it” for multiple seasons. That’s what Darnold basically has to do. 

[Malazan]

18 hours ago, FLFan said:

It’s that time of year in Jets Nation.  I heard some nitwits on ESPN last week (“booger” and some other guy) speculating the Jets would win the AFC East.  

“This should not affect the Jets Super Bowl chances.”

The jets HC said today that even if Fields can't go (his toe got stepped on and they're not sure he's gonna be ready? wtf) that there would be no dropoff in play to Tyrod Taylor, but they guaranteed Fields there is no competition.

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He literally was better late in his time in Chicago than Darnold was late in his time with the Jets. Fields went for a similar package to Baker (the best of all of them). The difference is, the Steelers didn’t play him so they avoided it becoming a 4th. Randy Moss was once traded for a 4th. Trade compensation doesn’t mean much to me. Had the Bears decided to trade Fields before announcing that they were picking Caleb, they cwould have gotten more. 
 

Player A: 13-25 record, 225 total YPG, 59.8 completion %, 50 total TDs, 46 turnovers

 

Player B: 10-28 record, 235 total YPG, 60.3 completion %, 54 total TDs, 41 turnovers

 

In case you didn’t guess, player A is Darnold in NY and player B is Fields in Chicago. To say, “there are levels to this” is just wrong. They were pretty similar, with a slight edge to Fields. That holds especially true if you look at the most recent season for each in NY & Chicago. 

Well I’m sure trade compensation doesn’t matter to you because it basically proves Fields was next to worthless compared to Darnold at the same stage.

 

Both players had failed on their rookie deals. Both teams were OBVIOUSLY moving on in the draft with top 2 picks. One was traded for a second, 4th and 6th. The other was traded for a 6th round pick that could be a fourth.

 

I don’t know how to explain this any other way than the player who commanded a much higher trade package was perceived as a much more  valuable player around the league at a similar spot. It’s really inarguable. The edge OBVIOUSLY goes to player worth a high day 2 pick + day 3 picks than a dude worth a conditional day 3 pick.

 

I strongly suspect you argued pre-Fields trade that he was DEFINITELY  going to get around the Sam Darnold package.

Edited July 25 by RoscoeParrish

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Malazan said:

The jets HC said today that even if Fields can't go (his toe got stepped on and they're not sure he's gonna be ready? wtf) that there would be no dropoff in play to Tyrod Taylor, but they guaranteed Fields there is no competition.

 

I know Mougey and Glenn want to win being the new GM/HC combo but to me it feels like a throw-a-way season for the Jets. Fields is only signed for 2 years. He is on his 3rd team in 3 years so is he really the long-term answer. I don't know if the Jets will be bad enough to be in the Arch Manning race for the draft next year, but I would be surprised if they don't go QB in Rd 1.

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Then Darnold was bad in Carolina and SF. He was no better with the Jets than Fields was with the Bears. In fact, Fields improved with the Bears, while Darnold regressed with the Jets. Fields went to his next stop and went 4-2 (with 2 losses by a FG) prior to being replaced by Russ. The Steelers got worse finishing the year with 4 straight losses (to mostly good teams). Fields was traded for a 6th because EVERYBODY knew he was being replaced by Caleb Williams and they didn’t need to send any decent assets. Context matters here. Fields after Chicago was in better shape as a prospect than Darnold after the Jets. 

My understanding is that Darnold was good in SF and thrived in that system during practices. He only started one meaningless game at the end of the season, and apparently did a good job of operating the offense in a 21-20 loss to the Rams (96.5 rating, 7 carries for 19 yards and a TD, 16-26 for 189 yards, 1 td, and 0 INTs). After the season was over, word on the street from SF was that he had genuinely taken the next step and showed he could effectively run that sort of offense. That's why Minnesota signed him. O'Connell's offense is not that different from Shanahan's, and he thrived for the most part. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Well I’m sure trade compensation doesn’t matter to you because it basically proves Fields was next to worthless compared to Darnold at the same stage.

 

Both players had failed on their rookie deals. Both teams were OBVIOUSLY moving on in the draft with top 2 picks. One was traded for a second, 4th and 6th. The other was traded for a 6th round pick that could be a fourth.

 

I don’t know how to explain this any other way than the player who commanded a much higher trade package was perceived as a much more  valuable player around the league at a similar spot. It’s really inarguable. The edge OBVIOUSLY goes to player worth a high day 2 pick + day 3 picks than a dude worth a conditional day 3 pick.

 

I strongly suspect you argued pre-Fields trade that he was DEFINITELY  going to get around the Sam Darnold package.

I based it on actual numbers not perception. That elite Carolina front office, wrongly, thought that they could rehab Darnold. They couldn’t. It failed miserably. Maybe you didn’t like that the numbers showed nearly identical performances, with slightly more scoring and less turnovers from Fields. Both were in awful situations as young players. 
 

Here is the comparison of their most recent year in NY and Chicago respectively. One would assume that their play was improving instead of regressing in year 3.

 

Darnold: 2-10 record, 59.6 completion %, 203 total YPG, 11 TDs, 13 turnovers

 

Fields: 5-8 record, 61.4 completion %, 248 total YPG, 20 TDs, 13 turnovers 

 

Again, you continue to argue that they were in a vastly different place exiting NY and Chicago. They weren’t. If anything, Fields was playing better than Darnold. Scott Fitterer isn’t to be confused with Howie Roseman. The deal he made for Darnold was a disaster. The trade comp is a function of situation and bad teams more so than who was playing better at the time. Teams still had confidence in Darnold which is why he got a shot last year, and probably would have even if McCarthy stayed healthy. It’s the same reason that the Jets handed the reigns to Fields without any real competition this year. They are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with Fields like the Vikings did last year (or at least the first half of last year) with Darnold.

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

My understanding is that Darnold was good in SF and thrived in that system during practices. He only started one meaningless game at the end of the season, and apparently did a good job of operating the offense in a 21-20 loss to the Rams (96.5 rating, 7 carries for 19 yards and a TD, 16-26 for 189 yards, 1 td, and 0 INTs). After the season was over, word on the street from SF was that he had genuinely taken the next step and showed he could effectively run that sort of offense. That's why Minnesota signed him. O'Connell's offense is not that different from Shanahan's, and he thrived for the most part. 

I like Darnold. I think he’s pretty good. He was my 19th ranked starting QB when I did the list a month ago. He’s fine. He’s a decent starting QB and just signed a contract saying pretty much that. 

[RoscoeParrish]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, you continue to argue that they were in a vastly different place exiting NY and Chicago

They obviously were.

 

Darnold was a way better prospect coming out than Fields. Like way way way better. That’s why, imo, he still fetched a decent price as a trade target whereas Fields was traded for a conditional sixth rounder lol. Thats Kaiir Elam bust compensation. 

 

No one is arguing that Darnold vastly outperformed Fields at their rookie stops. You can post their stats all you want. NFL teams saw Darnold and said, “we’ll give you a second rounder and a couple day 3 picks for him” and NFL teams saw Fields and said “we’ll give you a conditional sixth round pick for him and then bench him in 6 weeks and let him walk in FA” lol.

 

The market has spoken. Darnold was valued at a second round pick+ and Fields was valued as a 6th round pick. That’s it. Case closed.

Edited July 25 by RoscoeParrish

[RoscoeParrish]

@Kirby Jackson you are basically arguing that in 2021 Stafford wasn’t more viewed as more valuable than Jared Goff despite the Rams needing to attach multiple picks, including 2 first rounders, to swap them. 
 

If you compare their numbers, they were similar! The Rams were ascending and a playoff team!

 

This is so painfully obvious a blind spot for you my man.