NFL execs/coaches top 10 CBs

[HappyDays]

Not only is Benford not on the list, he got zero votes.

 

1) Pat Surtain

2) Derek Stingley

3) Denzel Ward

4) Trent McDuffie

5) Sauce Gardner

6) Christian Gonzalez

7) Jaycee Horn

8 ) Jaylon Johnson

9) Quinyon Mitchell

10) Devon Witherspoon

 

Then there's about 20 players mentioned as honorable mentions or receiving at least one vote. Taron Johnson is listed as getting a vote. But no Benford. He's way underappreciated by the league IMO.

[Doc Brown]

PFF had Benford at 8th.  I like PFF better now.  Jaycee Horn doesn't belong on that list.

[Brand J]

Joe Marino said Benford made #81 in the top 100 NFL players among the Locked On podcasters, so at least some recognize his talents (no other Bills players except Allen made it). Benford also had an All Pro vote last year IIRC.

[Kirby Jackson]

Benford belongs on there. At worst, he should be honorable mention. That’s crazy. The Bills had the number 2 qb, #8 OT and #8 RB. The 70 execs didn’t rank another Bills player in the top 10 at their position. 

[RoscoeParrish]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Not only is Benford not on the list, he got zero votes.

 

1) Pat Surtain

2) Derek Stingley

3) Denzel Ward

4) Trent McDuffie

5) Sauce Gardner

6) Christian Gonzalez

7) Jaycee Horn

8 ) Jaylon Johnson

9) Quinyon Mitchell

10) Devon Witherspoon

 

Then there's about 20 players mentioned as honorable mentions or receiving at least one vote. Taron Johnson is listed as getting a vote. But no Benford. He's way underappreciated by the league IMO.

Benford should have gotten Taron’s vote.

 

i love me some Taron Johnson but he was not very good last season.

[HappyDays]

33 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Benford belongs on there. At worst, he should be honorable mention. That’s crazy. The Bills had the number 2 qb, #8 OT and #8 RB. The 70 execs didn’t rank another Bills player in the top 10 at their position. 

 

I can't make heads or tails of it. Some of the other CBs that were honorable mentions or got at least 1 vote:

 

Jalen Ramsey

L'Jarius Sneed

Charvarius Ward

DJ Reed

Carlton Davis

Joey Porter Jr

Tariq Woolen

Marshon Lattimore

Alontae Taylor

 

I feel like I'm losing my mind. To me Benford is at least one tier above each of those names, if not multiple tiers, but the NFL doesn't even see him as in the conversation with those players??

[Sojourner]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

PFF had Benford at 8th.  I like PFF better now.  Jaycee Horn doesn't belong on that list.

I think Horn is decent but underwhelming due to the rest of the players on that defense. Not many guys who are of quality starters, but that’s just me. 
 

The did draft Prince Umanmielen and Nic Scourton. If both of those guys are hits it’ll see the better play I believe Horn is capable of. 

[GunnerBill]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

PFF had Benford at 8th.  I like PFF better now.  Jaycee Horn doesn't belong on that list.

 

Agree. Horn sticks out like a sore thumb on that list. I think the other 9 are the kind of names you'd expect. But Horn isn't close to that class. But he ia an athletic freak - 9.99 RAS and NFL GMs are a sucker for those types even when their tape doesn't match.

[Logic]

I saw the sentiment expressed on social media in response to these lists that players' draft pedigree follows them into the league, and their pre-draft scouting reports do, too.

That is, the people that vote on these lists are the same people scouting rookies and drafting players, and they often tend to stick to their priors.

So, for instance, hypothetically: if they see a 1st round corner playing very well and a 7th round corner playing just as well, they're far more likely to give the 1st round player accolades, due to pre-existing bias, "take lock", name recognition, and draft pedigree.

I'll also say this: Christian Benford tends to be pretty invisible as a corner. Invisible in a GOOD way, mind you. He doesn't make a ton of game changing plays or highlight reel interceptions. He also doesn't get thrown at a ton, because he's so good at what he does. He also wears #47, and yes, I think silly optics things like that matter. Sauce Gardner is another guy who is pretty invisible as a corner and doesn't have a ton of game changing plays or highlight reel interceptions, but he was drafted high, his name is "Sauce", and he wears number 1.

What I'm saying is: Benford's draft slot, lack of visible and game changing plays, and even his odd jersey number all contribute, in my mind, to his lack of national recognition. I think he's going to need to make some big plays in visible moments more often if he ever wants to gain more national prominence. Even then, he's not likely to get as much shine on these type of lists as 1st round corners.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

I saw the sentiment expressed on social media in response to these lists that players' draft pedigree follows them into the league, and their pre-draft scouting reports do, too.

That is, the people that vote on these lists are the same people scouting rookies and drafting players, and they often tend to stick to their priors.

So, for instance, hypothetically: if they see a 1st round corner playing very well and a 7th round corner playing just as well, they're far more likely to give the 1st round player accolades, due to pre-existing bias, "take lock", name recognition, and draft pedigree.

I'll also say this: Christian Benford tends to be pretty invisible as a corner. Invisible in a GOOD way, mind you. He doesn't make a ton of game changing plays or highlight reel interceptions. He also doesn't get thrown at a ton, because he's so good at what he does. He also wears #47, and yes, I think silly optics things like that matter. Sauce Gardner is another guy who is pretty invisible as a corner and doesn't have a ton of game changing plays or highlight reel interceptions, but he was drafted high, his name is "Sauce", and he wears number 1.

What I'm saying is: Benford's draft slot, lack of visible and game changing plays, and even his odd jersey number all contribute, in my mind, to his lack of national recognition. I think he's going to need to make some big plays in visible moments more often if he ever wants to gain more national prominence. Even then, he's not likely to get as much shine on these type of lists as 1st round corners.

Pretty interesting take factoring in their initial perceptions. Good take. 👍

[Augie]

28 minutes ago, Logic said:

I saw the sentiment expressed on social media in response to these lists that players' draft pedigree follows them into the league, and their pre-draft scouting reports do, too.

That is, the people that vote on these lists are the same people scouting rookies and drafting players, and they often tend to stick to their priors.

So, for instance, hypothetically: if they see a 1st round corner playing very well and a 7th round corner playing just as well, they're far more likely to give the 1st round player accolades, due to pre-existing bias, "take lock", name recognition, and draft pedigree.

I'll also say this: Christian Benford tends to be pretty invisible as a corner. Invisible in a GOOD way, mind you. He doesn't make a ton of game changing plays or highlight reel interceptions. He also doesn't get thrown at a ton, because he's so good at what he does. He also wears #47, and yes, I think silly optics things like that matter. Sauce Gardner is another guy who is pretty invisible as a corner and doesn't have a ton of game changing plays or highlight reel interceptions, but he was drafted high, his name is "Sauce", and he wears number 1.

What I'm saying is: Benford's draft slot, lack of visible and game changing plays, and even his odd jersey number all contribute, in my mind, to his lack of national recognition. I think he's going to need to make some big plays in visible moments more often if he ever wants to gain more national prominence. Even then, he's not likely to get as much shine on these type of lists as 1st round corners.

 

He can have all the national prominence he wants now that the Bills have him extended at a less prominent pay rate. What a great contract for the team, and Benford and family will never hurt for money unless he’s an idiot. Now, please stop with the concussions! I wonder how much that came to people’s minds during negotiations? 

[PonyBoy]

They probably got confused like we do & thought Bernard?

He's a Linebacker 😀😀

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Benford belongs on there. At worst, he should be honorable mention. That’s crazy. The Bills had the number 2 qb, #8 OT and #8 RB. The 70 execs didn’t rank another Bills player in the top 10 at their position. 

Dawkins was 8th LT

Brown was 4th RT

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Dawkins was 8th LT

Brown was 4th RT

Didn’t know that they differentiated the tackles on the list. The tackles are excellent. 

[chris heff]

2 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

They probably got confused like we do & thought Bernard?

He's a Linebacker 😀😀

I know I do it all the time, maybe the Bernard number change will help.

[BigAl2526]

I'm fine with Benford's absence from the list.  It keeps his asking price in contract negotiations a bit easier for the Bills to cope with.  Being on a list doesn't make him a better player.  What he does on the field is the determining factor, and I'm very happy with that.  

 

I wonder if the evaluation for this list is weighted toward man coverage skills.  While Benford has become a pretty decent man coverage CB, the Bills' system has been pretty heavily weighted toward zone coverage.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

I'm fine with Benford's absence from the list.  It keeps his asking price in contract negotiations a bit easier for the Bills to cope with.  Being on a list doesn't make him a better player.  What he does on the field is the determining factor, and I'm very happy with that.  

 

I wonder if the evaluation for this list is weighted toward man coverage skills.  While Benford has become a pretty decent man coverage CB, the Bills' system has been pretty heavily weighted toward zone coverage.

The Bills already signed him…