For those saying “this is what we voted for…”

[stevestojan]

One thing that confuses me about the current defense of Trumps tactics are those that state he’s doing exactly what he said he would. Curious as to the thoughts of those that are defending Trump by saying “this is what he promised,” “we knew what we were getting,” etc. How do you respond to this? Understanding many of these videos are often edited heavily this one is truly clips of the man himself and his “promises.” 
 

Does this upset you? Do you just consider this another example of him just “being Donald the blowhard?” Do you think folks less knowledgeable and less economically stable than most here thought he would actually do the things he said in this video? Or they “knew” he would do the opposite and for some reason voted for him anyway?

 

(standard disclaimer that I think Biden was top 3-4 worst presidents of all time). 
 

Im truly not trolling. I would love to get some conversation going with folks I respect on the other side of the isle like @B-Man and @JDHillFan, (and others). 
 

Let’s see if we can be civil. Was this just a case of a politician being a politician and making promises to get votes? My concern is that his promises and his actual actions are polar opposites. Do you think this “temporary pain” is truly going to help folks financial situations “eventually” and how long will that take? 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHcAf9UOc6i/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[BillsFanNC]

😂

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

One thing that confuses me about the current defense of Trumps tactics are those that state he’s doing exactly what he said he would. Curious as to the thoughts of those that are defending Trump by saying “this is what he promised,” “we knew what we were getting,” etc. How do you respond to this? Understanding many of these videos are often edited heavily this one is truly clips of the man himself and his “promises.” 
 

Does this upset you? Do you just consider this another example of him just “being Donald the blowhard?” Do you think folks less knowledgeable and less economically stable than most here thought he would actually do the things he said in this video? Or they “knew” he would do the opposite and for some reason voted for him anyway?

 

(standard disclaimer that I think Biden was top 3-4 worst presidents of all time). 
 

Im truly not trolling. I would love to get some conversation going with folks I respect on the other side of the isle like @B-Man and @JDHillFan, (and others). 
 

Let’s see if we can be civil. Was this just a case of a politician being a politician and making promises to get votes? My concern is that his promises and his actual actions are polar opposites. Do you think this “temporary pain” is truly going to help folks financial situations “eventually” and how long will that take? 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHcAf9UOc6i/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

 

Legit - there are millions of MAGA voters that couldn’t care less about 99 percent of what Trump says or does but will never vote Democrat again because of this.  
 

 

 

Until the left and Democrats denounce this as anything but normal, it will discredit every other position they stand for.   

 

 

The debt.  Tariffs.  Taxes.  Health care.  Social security.  Immigration.  Foreign policy.  
 

I’d like to have normal discussions about these things like 30 years - shoot just 10 years ago - but we can’t because the party that cried about Republicans denying science re climate change are telling us boys can be girls.  And compete with them.  
 

 

 

 

Oh.  And also.  Because they shut down the world over a CCP Cold - they can never be trusted to have power.  Ever.  

[stevestojan]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Legit - there are millions of MAGA voters that couldn’t care less about 99 percent of what Trump says or does but will never vote Democrat again because of this.  
 

 

 

Until the left and Democrats denounce this as anything but normal, it will discredit every other position they stand for.   

 

 

The debt.  Tariffs.  Taxes.  Health care.  Social security.  Immigration.  Foreign policy.  
 

I’d like to have normal discussions about these things like 30 years - shoot just 10 years ago - but we can’t because the party that cried about Republicans denying science re climate change are telling us boys can be girls.  And compete with them.  
 

 

 

 

Oh.  And also.  Because they shut down the world over a CCP Cold - they can never be trusted to have power.  Ever.  

So - and not judging, legit asking - trans athletes were a bigger issue for you and others than things that impact folks daily, like price of their consumer goods increasing? For the record, I am a registered Dem (duh  ) and I agree with you on the men in women’s sports topic. It is interesting to me that no one gave two craps about women’s sports until this, but I digress as I agree with you. 
 

As far as Covid, won’t get into that argument, but let’s say I disagree to a point  (I don’t 100%, it’s more nuanced in my opinion, but it certainly wasn’t handled well in retrospect) are you saying you vote was more anti-dem than pro Trump? That’s Ok if so, and I get that as my vote certainly wasn’t “pro” Kamala since I never got the chance to pick my candidate after they brought Joe out of his padded room for the debate heard round the world. 
 

Thanks for engaging! 
 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by stevestojan

[Pokebball]

18 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

One thing that confuses me about the current defense of Trumps tactics are those that state he’s doing exactly what he said he would. Curious as to the thoughts of those that are defending Trump by saying “this is what he promised,” “we knew what we were getting,” etc. How do you respond to this? Understanding many of these videos are often edited heavily this one is truly clips of the man himself and his “promises.” 
 

Does this upset you? Do you just consider this another example of him just “being Donald the blowhard?” Do you think folks less knowledgeable and less economically stable than most here thought he would actually do the things he said in this video? Or they “knew” he would do the opposite and for some reason voted for him anyway?

 

(standard disclaimer that I think Biden was top 3-4 worst presidents of all time). 
 

Im truly not trolling. I would love to get some conversation going with folks I respect on the other side of the isle like @B-Man and @JDHillFan, (and others). 
 

Let’s see if we can be civil. Was this just a case of a politician being a politician and making promises to get votes? My concern is that his promises and his actual actions are polar opposites. Do you think this “temporary pain” is truly going to help folks financial situations “eventually” and how long will that take? 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHcAf9UOc6i/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

For me, it's a choice between two parties, and their candidates. I find the Dems normally try to get Repubs to defend Trump. This is how, for the most part, I interpret you question. For me, it isn't so much about defending the Trump and the GOP as much as it is the GOP being a better choice than the Dem party. Overall, the GOP is the better choice for me.

[stevestojan]

Just now, Pokebball said:

For me, it's a choice between two parties, and their candidates. I find the Dems normally try to get Repubs to defend Trump. This is how, for the most part, I interpret you question. For me, it isn't so much about defending the Trump and the GOP as much as it is the GOP being a better choice than the Dem party. Overall, the GOP is the better choice for me.

Totally fair. Maybe we can all agree the two candidates (and again, I barely consider Harris a candidate since we didn’t get to choose her) were about as low on the totem pole as you could get? 
 

But I like your take that it wasn’t a vote for one person, rather the party that matches your ideologies. 
 

Thanks. 

[BillsFanNC]

Ignoring the evidence of your eyes and ears on Biden's dementia for four years is one thing, then there's saying.. yeah didn't everyone know that THE FRIGGIN POTUS was an empty vessel? So what? Just move on already.

 

EMBARRASSING.

 

Both are massive leftist copes and anyone occupying that ground as part of the current political "discussion" deserves no more than being ignored.

 

Everyone knows who Trump was, is and will be. If he shows signs of losing it such that he is obviously incapable of being POTUS I'll be the first to admit.

 

POTUS Vance is not something the left should want. 

 

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

So - and not judging, legit asking - trans athletes were a bigger issue for you and others than things that impact folks daily, like price of their consumer goods increasing?

This is a motte/bailey point. Do I particularly care that a “trans” athlete is showing up and mogging females in women’s “sports?” No, not particularly. 
 

Do I care that the deleterious ideology that inevitably led to such a result and so many much more important results has a stranglehold on the United States? Yes. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

 

this is two parts: Dems like to hold the worst of humanity up as those we need to save. To argue Floyd did not need to die is one thing, to praise him and canonize him is terrible.

Secondly: Trump is better than other option each time. I hate almost all politicians and he is the only one who has tried to make the Federal government more efficient and less invasive in my life. 

 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

This is a motte/bailey point. Do I particularly care that a “trans” athlete is showing up and mogging females in women’s “sports?” No, not particularly. 
 

Do I care that the deleterious ideology that inevitably led to such a result and so many much more important results has a stranglehold on the United States? Yes. 

 

I can't state it any better than that.

 

 

 

ALL of the individual points that many on the Left bring up are certainly not the particular reason that I continue to support President Trump,

 

but as inferred by others I really think that the country was heading towards a a caste system with a Liberal Network at the top, all dissent illegal

and extremist non-American ideas enforced

 

( I am well aware that many wrongly say this about Trump, but my past 4 decades of following American politics confirm my view.)

 

Closing the border, enforcing our present laws, stopping the leftist breakdown of American society and (HOPEFULLY) repairing our 

broken election system is exactly what I voted for Steve.

 

Thanks for the thread.

 

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[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

This is a motte/bailey point. Do I particularly care that a “trans” athlete is showing up and mogging females in women’s “sports?” No, not particularly. 
 

Do I care that the deleterious ideology that inevitably led to such a result and so many much more important results has a stranglehold on the United States? Yes. 

This is one of the better posts I’ve seen here in some time. 👍

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

This is one of the better posts I’ve seen here in some time. 👍

I would like to ask a pointed question- one I might like the answer but here I go- is there a concept you see that the Republicans are crazy about in a similar way? To me the Republicans simply suck less and the Dems are completely nuts on several concepts. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

4 hours ago, stevestojan said:

One thing that confuses me about the current defense of Trumps tactics are those that state he’s doing exactly what he said he would. Curious as to the thoughts of those that are defending Trump by saying “this is what he promised,” “we knew what we were getting,” etc. How do you respond to this? Understanding many of these videos are often edited heavily this one is truly clips of the man himself and his “promises.” 
 

Does this upset you? Do you just consider this another example of him just “being Donald the blowhard?” Do you think folks less knowledgeable and less economically stable than most here thought he would actually do the things he said in this video? Or they “knew” he would do the opposite and for some reason voted for him anyway?

 

(standard disclaimer that I think Biden was top 3-4 worst presidents of all time). 
 

Im truly not trolling. I would love to get some conversation going with folks I respect on the other side of the isle like @B-Man and @JDHillFan, (and others). 
 

Let’s see if we can be civil. Was this just a case of a politician being a politician and making promises to get votes? My concern is that his promises and his actual actions are polar opposites. Do you think this “temporary pain” is truly going to help folks financial situations “eventually” and how long will that take? 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHcAf9UOc6i/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

I ignore Donald's rhetoric (he's a professional salesman and pitch artist after all).  I look at his actions.

 

His words are populist, transformative and unconventional.

 

His actions/policies are fairly similar to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. He's looked into Putin's eyes and seen his soul. He's for supply side economics. He thinks deficits don't matter. He makes a stink about DEI/Affirmative Action/Political Correctness. And so on, and so on.

 

All the tariff shenanigans are just the virtue-signaling and grandstanding. W would have executed the same things quietly via smoky backrooms using the Bretton Woods architecture. But then he wouldn't have gotten as much credit or burnished his personal brand.

 

He has successfully repackaged and sold the Country Club GOP's agenda, because JEB! and his ilk were too hooked on West Wing re-runs, and because Donald's part of the Country Club. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Coffeesforclosers

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Pokebball said:

For me, it's a choice between two parties, and their candidates. I find the Dems normally try to get Repubs to defend Trump. This is how, for the most part, I interpret you question. For me, it isn't so much about defending the Trump and the GOP as much as it is the GOP being a better choice than the Dem party. Overall, the GOP is the better choice for me.

 

I'm an Independent.  But the since there's only 2 choices come election time, I side with the GOP on most issues.

[Pokebball]

3 hours ago, LeviF said:

This is a motte/bailey point. Do I particularly care that a “trans” athlete is showing up and mogging females in women’s “sports?” No, not particularly. 
 

Do I care that the deleterious ideology that inevitably led to such a result and so many much more important results has a stranglehold on the United States? Yes. 

Seattle just today. Transtifa? I hadn't heard that before.

 

 

[T master]

I look at it this way, HE being Trump is doing things that are really pissing off some people and usually if you are pissing someone off there is some real change happening .

 

We have been under the fallacy that those voted into office truly have had We the Peoples best interest at hand when in fact IMHO they didn't give a S**T about us or the future of the country because NOTHING changed !

 

Every year they threaten to close down the give's which truly might be for the best, and the defid=cit continually goes up and up spending doesn't change and the country is basically swirling around the bowl just waiting to go down the drain .

 

Sure all of what the orange man is doing may not sit well but as I said if some one is pissed something is changing & I believe that what he is doing will effect the back door investments of the politicians B**CHing the most and some kind of change will come from it !!