Beane elaborates on the process of picking Josh Allen

[Nihilarian]

Josh grew up as a NINERS fan. He is the little one in the middle.

[Herc11]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Just curious, when was the last time a can't-miss QB in the draft panned out as expected? Seems to me it's the guys with questions that turn out better.

Andrew Luck maybe? I know injuries derailed his career, but the guy was everything they said he would be

[Mr. WEO]

Beane will be eating   lunch off of that one pick the rest of his life.  
 

WRs? Safeties?  “Ok well first Let me tell you about the thought process (7 years ago) that got me to draft Josh!”…

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Beane will be eating   lunch off of that one pick the rest of his life.  
 

WRs? Safeties?  “Ok well first Let me tell you about the thought process (7 years ago) that got me to draft Josh!”…

You don’t get the luxury of “process” if that pick doesn’t hit. 

[GASabresIUFan]

16 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Does he talk about the process of picking Boogie Bashem, Cody Ford, Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid,.... 🤣

I don’t know.  Do you know if he talked about the process of picking Cook, Benford, T Johnson, Bernard, Shakir, Torrence, S Brown, Rousseau etc….

 

It’s easy to pick on a few mistakes, but someone is missing the forest through the trees.

 

PS: Ford and Basham were drafted exactly where their pre-draft rankings placed them.

Edited 13 hours ago by GASabresIUFan

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

You don’t get the luxury of “process” if that pick doesn’t hit. 

Agreed but at this point to quote a former Bills GM "don't tell me about the labor pains, show me the baby."  Beane lecturing us on WGR that we aren't appreciative enough for what they've done falls on deaf ears at this point.  I really have no interest in listening to him anymore as he keeps reminding me more and more of a politician.  Especially on national shows like this where he's not required to be on.  He's still a very good GM but sooner or later people are going to run out of patience until we break through.  I think we drafted/signed close to the same future all pros right before he got here in 2017 (don't know whether to give McDermott or Whaley the credit) than we did the last seven off-season.  Could be wrong though.  

Edited 13 hours ago by Doc Brown

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Beane will be eating   lunch off of that one pick the rest of his life.  
 

WRs? Safeties?  “Ok well first Let me tell you about the thought process (7 years ago) that got me to draft Josh!”…

I don’t get it. By the way, the draft isn’t the only way to acquire players. Isn’t Bean the guy that signed Hyde and Poyer, who became one of the best Safety tandems in the NFL? Have you written off Bishop already? Wasn’t he a second round pick? Didn’t he trade for Diggs? He was pretty good until he wasn’t, but four good years. Didn’t Bean draft Shakir? He was second in the NFL in YAC last year. Coleman had 556 yards in thirteen games, if you extrapolate that to seventeen, he would have had what 700-750 yards? But you’ve written him off too right? 

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

A young Josh Allen with NFL QB Derek Carr! 

 

That was the double kick in the mouth for Josh... living so close to Fresno he grew up a Bulldogs fan and as a high school player he used to attend the Fresno State football camps and got to know the coaching staff and the Carrs... but they wouldn't offer him a scholarship... so he said he would walk on without a scholarship and they told him they were all set at quarterback... so he went to Reedley College for a year and starred there... and after that, Fresno State still wouldn't give him the time of day.

 

When the new Fresno State head football coach Jeff Tedford was being introduced, the AD or college president or someone remarked at the news conference, "... and by the way, Coach Tedford knows where Firebaugh, California is" or something to that effect.

 

[Albany,n.y.]

4 minutes ago, chris heff said:

I don’t get it. By the way, the draft isn’t the only way to acquire players. Isn’t Bean the guy that signed Hyde and Poyer, who became one of the best Safety tandems in the NFL? Have you written off Bishop already? Wasn’t he a second round pick? Didn’t he trade for Diggs? He was pretty good until he wasn’t, but four good years. Didn’t Bean draft Shakir? He was second in the NFL in YAC last year. Coleman had 556 yards in thirteen games, if you extrapolate that to seventeen, he would have had what 700-750 yards? But you’ve written him off too right? 

Hyde & Poyer were signed before Beane came to Buffalo. 

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Notice the laughing emoji, it was a joke. Josh was the 3rd QB taken; this story is a irrelevant fluff piece

The NFL and all its hangers on are full of irrelevant fluff pieces, that’s what “embedded” is, every teams Brown & Glab, is fluff,, it’s how the keep themselves in the sporting news, even when the season hasn’t started and when it’s over, fluff keeps the NFL world spinning, and football nerds the world over love this stuff, 😁👍

[chris heff]

8 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Hyde & Poyer were signed before Beane came to Buffalo. 

Technically yes, Whaley was a lame duck that they kept until after the daft, but McDermott was making all the decisions. Bean was let go by Carolina in 2016, McDermott knew he was bringing Bean on board, do you think they didn’t talk about Hyde and Poyer?

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

You don’t get the luxury of “process” if that pick doesn’t hit. 

i guess

[RoscoeParrish]

30 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Technically yes, Whaley was a lame duck that they kept until after the daft, but McDermott was making all the decisions. Bean was let go by Carolina in 2016, McDermott knew he was bringing Bean on board, do you think they didn’t talk about Hyde and Poyer?

I think your timeline is off. Beane was employed and in the Carolina draft room that April of 2017.

 

Beane wasn’t officially hired until May.

 

Free Agency started in March.

Edited 11 hours ago by RoscoeParrish

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

I don’t get it. By the way, the draft isn’t the only way to acquire players. Isn’t Bean the guy that signed Hyde and Poyer, who became one of the best Safety tandems in the NFL? Have you written off Bishop already? Wasn’t he a second round pick? Didn’t he trade for Diggs? He was pretty good until he wasn’t, but four good years. Didn’t Bean draft Shakir? He was second in the NFL in YAC last year. Coleman had 556 yards in thirteen games, if you extrapolate that to seventeen, he would have had what 700-750 yards? But you’ve written him off too right? 

 

Les Snead is about the only GM who built a SB winner essentially outside of the draft.

 

Written off Bishop? McD had him take 5 or fewer snaps on D in 9 or 16 games in the regular season.  Talk to him.

 

Hyde was a great Safety. Poyer was a coattail riding pile jumper (see him in Miami).  Beane wasn't involved in signing them.

 

Beane gave up a 1st round pick for predictable headache Diggs.  Predictably, the Bills had enough of him and got a 2nd for him at least.  That's better than he did with Elam--a solid bust who, by his 3rd season, McD hardly played him at all.  Beane turned that 1st round pick into a 5th and 7th.  Nice.

 

Shakir is the second best (really, 1 of 2) decent receivers Beane has drafted in 8 years.  Slot receiver though---he was 5th in YAC (receivers only), not 2nd (the Bills as a team were 2nd).  Not sure of the importance of that 1 stat.  

 

Coleman is a WR3 in a room stuffed now with WR3/4s.  Extrapolation is a meaningless exercise.  In the final 2 games of the season he had 17 targets for 5 catches and 58 yards.  In the next 3 playoff games he had a total of 8 targets, 3 catches for 22 yards.  No reason to believe he was going to get 750 yards if he played every regular season game.

 

Is Andy Reid still talking about drafting Mahomes?  Roseman going on about Hurts?--one or both of them have played in 5 of the past 6 SBs.

Edited 11 hours ago by Mr. WEO

[chris heff]

51 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I think your timeline is off. Beane was employed and in the Carolina draft room that April of 2017.

 

Beane wasn’t officially hired until May.

 

Free Agency started in March.

Bean’s bio says he was with the Panthers from 1998-2016. McDermott was hired in January 2017, he knew he was bringing Bean to the Bills. Whaley was a lame duck they kept until after the draft. Draft ended on April 29, Whaley and his staff were fired on the 30th. Bean was announced as GM nine days later. Don’t you think that since McDermott knew Bean was going to be the GM and Bean knew he was going to be the GM, that they may have talked about free agency and the draft? Or do you think McDermott was relying on Whaley? You may recall that during that time a reporter asked Whaley what exactly his job was?or more precisely “what do you do?”

[ColoradoBills]

Let's remember it's not only drafting Josh Allen it his development too.

 

Josh going to Cleveland could have been a completely different result.

Edited 10 hours ago by ColoradoBills

[BuffaL0L0k0]

10 hours ago, finn said:

He's a unicorn, but his improved accuracy didn't just happen; he made it happen by committing himself to an offseason program with Palmer (forgot his first name). If Lance, Richardson, and other big-arm, athletic quarterbacks have shown similar single-minded devotion to improvement, I haven't heard of it. 

Palmer first name is Jordan, and he is a young brother of Carlson, exBengal QB. Jordan was an average QB at UTEP, I used to hear about him when I lived there, but later build a creer as QB whisperer, even if he doesn´t walk on water...yet!

[RoscoeParrish]

36 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Bean’s bio says he was with the Panthers from 1998-2016. McDermott was hired in January 2017, he knew he was bringing Bean to the Bills. Whaley was a lame duck they kept until after the draft. Draft ended on April 29, Whaley and his staff were fired on the 30th. Bean was announced as GM nine days later. Don’t you think that since McDermott knew Bean was going to be the GM and Bean knew he was going to be the GM, that they may have talked about free agency and the draft? Or do you think McDermott was relying on Whaley? You may recall that during that time a reporter asked Whaley what exactly his job was?or more precisely “what do you do?”

They are talking about league years.

 

This is all documented. Beane was Gettleman’s AGM. In fact, when they fired Gettleman, there was a ton of talk in Carolina that if Beane hadn’t left, he would have succeeded Gettleman.

 

I don’t know how much influence Beane had on the moves made before he was officially hired. You seem to think you know that he was calling McDermott from the bathroom in the Panthers front office on draft night. I suspect that wasn’t the case.

 

To jog your memory:

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2017/05/04/bills-interview-panthers-asst-gm-brandon-beane-as-front-office-candidate/79737987007/

 

“On Wednesday, Buffalo confirmed they conducted an interview with Brandon Beane, the Assistant General Manager of the Carolina Panthers, a position he's held since 2015 after spending seven years as the team's Director of Football Operations.”

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/5/8/15578964/buffalo-bills-interviewing-brian-gutekunst-general-manager-job-packers-sean-mcdermott/comment/427780093

 

“The Bills will reportedly interview Brian Gutekunst, the director of player personnel for the Green Bay Packers, for their vacant general manager position on Monday”

 

So to recap, the Bills interviewed 4 candidates for GM after the draft and after Whaley was fired, including Beane who of course got a second interview and the job, but we are expected to believe that he was secretly picking the FA’s for McDermott to sign 2 months prior?

 

Dubious premise.

[chris heff]

11 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

They are talking about league years.

 

This is all documented. Beane was Gettleman’s AGM. In fact, when they fired Gettleman, there was a ton of talk in Carolina that if Beane hadn’t left, he would have succeeded Gettleman.

 

I don’t know how much influence Beane had on the moves made before he was officially hired. You seem to think you know that he was calling McDermott from the bathroom in the Panthers front office on draft night. I suspect that wasn’t the case.

 

To jog your memory:

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2017/05/04/bills-interview-panthers-asst-gm-brandon-beane-as-front-office-candidate/79737987007/

 

“On Wednesday, Buffalo confirmed they conducted an interview with Brandon Beane, the Assistant General Manager of the Carolina Panthers, a position he's held since 2015 after spending seven years as the team's Director of Football Operations.”

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/5/8/15578964/buffalo-bills-interviewing-brian-gutekunst-general-manager-job-packers-sean-mcdermott/comment/427780093

 

“The Bills will reportedly interview Brian Gutekunst, the director of player personnel for the Green Bay Packers, for their vacant general manager position on Monday”

 

So to recap, the Bills interviewed 4 candidates for GM after the draft and after Whaley was fired, including Beane who of course got a second interview and the job, but we are expected to believe that he was secretly picking the FA’s for McDermott to sign 2 months prior?

 

Dubious premise.

Okay, you made your point, so McDermott signed Hyde And Poyer. But the original point made by Weo was that Beane has never addressed Safety in the draft, did he need to when Hyde and Poyer were in their prime? When they weren’t, which was hastened by Hyde’s injury, he drafted Bishop.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Still riding that gravy train I see 🤣🤣🤣