Gabe Davis released

[cd1]

Gabe was good  -when he applied himself. With that said, he tends to be lazy.

[RunTheBall]

Doesn’t Gabe have a fully guaranteed salary with off-sets? If that’s the case, why would any team pay him more than the league minimum since Jax is taking the hit?

 

Also, Gabe has balsa wood ankles, the dude cannot stay healthy. Great guy, but if after 4 years you can’t get on the same page with Josh there is zero reason to bring him in.

 

I don’t think people are factoring in the opportunity cost for every target Gabe dropped, ran the wrong route, or allowed to be intercepted. The reason our offense was so good last year is because it was exceptionally efficient and Gabe is the opposite of that.

 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Mack absolutely had his best year here. I’m sure you’re looking at 2021 with Miami when they forced him the ball 100 times and he got blowout mock-up duty, but last season was absolutely his best season.

 

To that point, he received his largest contract ever after playing with Allen. After his 2021 season, he got a $2M contract. He just signed an $8M contract after playing with Allen. 

No, I’m looking at his 2022 season in Las Vegas where he doubled up his catches and yards compared to 2024.

 

Mack got a $2M AAV contract back then. He got a $4M AAV contract this season on a team that paid Diggs with a torn ACL $21M. 

and we all know what WR contracts have done over the last few years. 
 

If you want to play the contract game, Gabe is a year removed from $39M over 3 years.

 

Edit:

 

I’m not sure how I became the Gabe Davis defender here. I never thought he was special and I’m glad we didn’t pay him. I want off this ride

Edited 13 hours ago by RoscoeParrish

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Mack absolutely had his best year here. I’m sure you’re looking at 2021 with Miami when they forced him the ball 100 times and he got blowout mock-up duty, but last season was absolutely his best season.

 

To that point, he received his largest contract ever after playing with Allen. After his 2021 season, he got a $2M contract. He just signed an $8M contract after playing with Allen. 

I think he's referring to the 2022 season with Vegas. Where he had 57 for 690 and 4 TDs on 94 targets. (Last season was 31 for 378 on 50 targets)

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, griff128 said:

Are you attempting to break the record for most grammatical errors in a single post?

Don’t need good grammar to live a good life 

Edited 13 hours ago by BananaB

[Mister Defense]

 

At first I was going to make a joke about getting Davis back here, but now I may feel differently. Have not read the thread yet, but have thought it through a little.

 

He is kind of maybe on his last chance (though maybe a bit premature-?) and his confidence is likely shattered.

 

If you were Davis and wanted to resurrect your career, now in shambles, which quarterback would you be thinking about right now?

 

If he is ultra cheap, with almost no guaranteed money, but big incentives, I think it is in the Bills' interest to bring him in, see what he has left.

 

How motivated would he be next year, with Josh Allen, the man who made him a multi millionaire, throwing the ball to him again?

 

He was one of the most respected men on this team, from all accounts, so some players likely are already in their leaders' ears.

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Mister Defense

[Turbo44]

19 minutes ago, cd1 said:

Gabe was good  -when he applied himself. With that said, he tends to be lazy.

Where do you get this sh!t? Gabe was a lot of things but lazy is not one of them. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t want Gabe back

[Einstein]

16 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

No, I’m looking at his 2022 season in Las Vegas where he doubled up his catches and yards compared to 2024.

 

That’s the one I thought you meant. My memory simply failed me on year/team. He was targeted nearly 100 times that year (almost double what we targeted him) and he still had less TD’s and less yards per reception and a lower success % and a lower yards per target. 

 

Last season was his best. By far.

 

19 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think he's referring to the 2022 season with Vegas. Where he had 57 for 690 and 4 TDs on 94 targets. (Last season was 31 for 378 on 50 targets)

 

Yeah. Anyone who looks at receptions to determine year is being statistically lazy.

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

he still had less TD’s and less yards per reception and a lower success % and a lower yards per target

None of those stats were his career best in Buffalo except for TDs.

[f0neguy]

Don’t bring him back..  How many times did Gabe run a wrong route that led to a pick?  Sure, he occasionally made the highlight catch and everyone remembers the huge playoff game vs the Chiefs, still don’t want him here.  Seems to be a good guy and I wish him the best somewhere else.

[BillsFan130]

26 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

That’s the one I thought you meant. My memory simply failed me on year/team. He was targeted nearly 100 times that year (almost double what we targeted him) and he still had less TD’s and less yards per reception and a lower success % and a lower yards per target. 

 

Last season was his best. By far.

 

 

Yeah. Anyone who looks at receptions to determine year is being statistically lazy.

He was more efficient for sure with the Bills last year- But if you double Hollins targets this year, his efficiency metrics would of course drop. (gabe davis is a prime example, even Shakir last year in terms of percentage completion when he was targeted more)

Edited 12 hours ago by BillsFan130

[Patrick Duffy]

37 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Mack Hollins posted 57 catches for 690 yards in Las Vegas 2 years ago.

 

He had 378 yards in Buffalo in 13 starts.

 

Not to slight Mack at all, but we have evidence of what Gabe did with Josh and what Mack did with Josh and it’s not close.

In a system where the ball is spread around more than ever it's not surprising. But is that all you're basing your stance on, is just yards? When you look at more than just his yards he made some really good catches and didn't have a lot of drops like Gabe did. 

 

I think if Gabe came in this offensive system under Brady, we would likely see much of the same with drops and probably injured again imo

 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

He was more efficient for sure with the Bills last year- But if you double Hollins targets this year, his efficiency metrics would of course drop. (gabe davis is a prime example, even Shakir last year in terms of percentage completion when he was targeted more)

 

Efficiency is due to Josh Allen.

 

In Vegas he was just thrown to a ton when they were losing by 30 points.

[Richard Noggin]

Davis moving on to Jacksonville was addition by subtraction. He and Allen were so rarely on the same page. Which is a shame, because when they were on the same page, they created some explosive magic. No way should he come back. But alas, it's not impossible. They like to get the band back together. 

[RoscoeParrish]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

In a system where the ball is spread around more than ever it's not surprising. But is that all you're basing your stance on, is just yards? When you look at more than just his yards he made some really good catches and didn't have a lot of drops like Gabe did. 

 

I think if Gabe came in this offensive system under Brady, we would likely see much of the same with drops and probably injured again imo

 

I don’t think you can argue Mack’s stats are system-based.

 

His career averages are 25 catches, 314 yards and 2 TDs over 17 games.
 

He beat some of those numbers in Buffalo but he was pretty close to his career average, playing with the MVP.

 

His career catch rate is 59.6%. In Buffalo, with Josh throwing, it was 62%. Pretty close imo.

 

I don’t think Gabe comes here and puts up 800 yards with great efficiency. Let me be very clear. I wouldn’t want him to get the target needed to get those numbers. He does have some issues with hands and other stuff. 
 

My contention is that Gabe is a proven more productive WR than Mack Hollins, as evidenced by their careers, and I think that if he did return to Buffalo, he may have something to offer on some deep routes and his willingness to block. If it brings us to an amicable compromise, I would say Gabe has more to offer deep on the boundary than Mack but Mack is more sure-handed. Both are good blockers and good locker room guys and I don’t really want to split hairs here. 
 

I just don’t think Gabe getting WR4 snaps on running downs and a deep shot or two a game is a recipe for disaster. I have ZERO interest in trying to force him the football like we did in 2022 or 2023. Just as I would have had zero interest with the Bills doing that with Mack.

[Bullfrog]

I truly don't see Davis as an upgrade to at least the top 4 wr's on this team now.

But, if Davis really wants to come home I would be ok if beans say they will bring him back but no guarantees. He HAS to beat out the rest of the he WR's on the field  if he wants to play. 

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Oh yeah.  I remember that.  I was trying to take a selfie but was trying to figure out how to flip the camera.

Didn't he also big. It a TD pass away from a CB in that game too?

[BigAl2526]

I don't think Gabe's return is that likely.  I just don't see that there is that much room for him.  Ideally, I think the Bills can find blocking elsewhere and his receiving role should be covered by what Coleman could do if he develops as expected.  Buffalo doesn't have elite receivers unless you want to put Shakir in that category, but they have receivers that easily compete at Davis' level or better, and may have upside that Davis doesn't.  With Davis, what you see is what you get.

[Maine-iac]

 He does run hot and cold but given how close the last two Chiefs playoff encounters have been I have to wonder if someone as seemingly inconsequential as Davis might have made a difference if he was on the field.  He's a deep threat WR.  A guy you throw to when they are trying to stop the run or short passing game.  We were trying to throw him the ball 90 times a year when we had no run or short passing game to speak of.  I'd rather have him as a back up than Sherfield or some of the other dubs we've had.

Edited 12 hours ago by Maine-iac

[Richard Noggin]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

 He does run hot and cold but given how close the last two Chiefs playoff encounters have been I have to wonder if someone as seemingly inconsequential as Davis might have made a difference if he was on the field.  He's a deep threat WR.  A guy you throw to when they are trying to stop the run or short passing game.  We were trying to throw him the ball 90 times a year when we had no run or short passing game to speak of.  I'd rather have him as a back up than Sherfield or some of the other dubs we've had.

 

Wasn't Davis a STARTER while Sherfield was a backup?