Dalton Kincaid Still Skinny

[Goin Breakdown]

And I'm still fat. 

[Redblood]

Im 6ft 3 210lbs and he looks way thinner than me. I dont feel he is 240 by that pic. I did see a photo of him at fan event and he looked a little thicker

[LABILLBACKER]

On 5/12/2025 at 3:22 AM, Pete said:

I post facts after facts.  You respond with emotions, not facts.  Examine what I posted.  I listed half the league Tight Ends that have better drop rates, completion percentage, catches, yards, TDs.  I could of posted even more TE that have had better seasons- but I thought you would get the point- I overestimated your intelligence.

 

Dalton had the 3rd highest drop rate out of ever TE this season, and he had a higher drop rate last season- when he was healthy- so what’s your excuse for Daltons high drop rate in 2023?

 

“Best hands I have seen in two years”

3rd worst drop rate, and an even higher drop rate last season.

 

There is no way in hell the Bills pick up the 5th year option. Daltons #s are nowhere near the top 5 TEs- let alone the top 15 TEs

Kincaid had the lowest catch rate (58%) of all eligible TE's in 24'.  He's gotta step up his entire game in year 3 or I'm afraid it's over for him.  "You know what you got after 3 years".

[Doc Brown]

21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Kincaid had the lowest catch rate (58%) of all eligible TE's in 24'.  He's gotta step up his entire game in year 3 or I'm afraid it's over for him.  "You know what you got after 3 years".

He does but the major reason for that low catch rate was he finished dead last because his catchable target rate for TE's.  Josh and him need to improve their chemistry.  Regardless, the most hope I have for the passing offense to improve is for Coleman and Kincaid to improve in every aspect of their game.

[Pete]

^ Cover 1 episode last night was “Is Dalton Kincaid a bust?”

 

Anthony and his guest say he is not yet a bust- spoiler alert.

 

Kincaid - Anthony gives him a 4 or 5 on scale 1-10 as a blocker- more of an obstruction, but willing.

 

many key drops, despite having good hands.

 

Bills scheduled passing game struggled last year.  Little WR separation.  Josh would go off schedule, and make a play.  Offense still missing X WR

 

PCL sprain was week 10.

 

Kyle Duggar eats Daltons lunch.

 

Anthony says Dalton is not a bust.  That he has a great feel for zones.

 

He says to judge a draft pick, you must give two years to evaluate.  So write off last season, and see if Dalton can build upon rookie season.

 

I don’t hate Dalton or Keon.  I always root for them.  I’m disappointed in both.  But I most definitely would rather be wrong, and have both excel for the Bills.

Edited Wednesday at 10:20 AM by Pete

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He does but the major reason for that low catch rate was he finished dead last because his catchable target rate for TE's.  Josh and him need to improve their chemistry.  Regardless, the most hope I have for the passing offense to improve is for Coleman and Kincaid to improve in every aspect of their game.

Sure, Josh says he needs to be better for Kincaid.  In some ways there is truth, but I believe he’s protecting Dalton.  Why is Dalton the outlier on Bills WR catch rate?  Is Dalton getting to his landmarks on time?  Is he getting delayed by a jam?  Did he get deep enough when he sets up in a zone?  

[Doc Brown]

11 minutes ago, Pete said:

Sure, Josh says he needs to be better for Kincaid.  In some ways there is truth, but I believe he’s protecting Dalton.  Why is Dalton the outlier on Bills WR catch rate?  Is Dalton getting to his landmarks on time?  Is he getting delayed by a jam?  Did he get deep enough when he sets up in a zone?  

All of the above.  Play scheme, being a run heavy team (takes away his snap and/or routes run), and having crap outside WR's also a factor into it.  Brady, Allen, and him need to burn the midnight oil this summer.  They need to be more creative creating mismatches for him. 

[Pete]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Kincaid had the lowest catch rate (58%) of all eligible TE's in 24'.  He's gotta step up his entire game in year 3 or I'm afraid it's over for him.  "You know what you got after 3 years".

Dalton was the 31st rated TE catch rate in the NFL last season.  PCL injury occurred week 10.  Why was Dalton so underwhelming the first 9 games?

[Redblood]

I wonder if the desire is their to move him to slot.

[Redblood]

Looked up his 40 time…..ouch…..4.71.

[buffaloboyinATL]

9 hours ago, Redblood said:

Im 6ft 3 210lbs and he looks way thinner than me. I dont feel he is 240 by that pic. I did see a photo of him at fan event and he looked a little thicker

If you think he looks “way thinner” than 210 pounds, you should probably not get a job as a carnival weight guesser.  You’d be giving away too many bears from the top shelf.  

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Anthony says Dalton is not a bust.  That he has a great feel for zones.

 

That was in his college scouting report but hasn't been true in the pros IMO.

[Pete]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

That was in his college scouting report but hasn't been true in the pros IMO.

I agree.  I haven’t noticed Dalton getting open in zone defense.  Joe Marino says Dalton’s best route is crossing patterns, and he is excellent at that. 

12 hours ago, Redblood said:

Im 6ft 3 210lbs and he looks way thinner than me. I dont feel he is 240 by that pic. I did see a photo of him at fan event and he looked a little thicker

I’m 5’9, 190 and I’m thicker than Dillon in that photo

[TheyCallMeAndy]

8 hours ago, Pete said:

^ Cover 1 episode last night was “Is Dalton Kincaid a bust?”

 

Anthony and his guest say he is not yet a bust- spoiler alert.

 

Kincaid - Anthony gives him a 4 or 5 on scale 1-10 as a blocker- more of an obstruction, but willing.

 

many key drops, despite having good hands.

 

Bills scheduled passing game struggled last year.  Little WR separation.  Josh would go off schedule, and make a play.  Offense still missing X WR

 

PCL sprain was week 10.

 

Kyle Duggar eats Daltons lunch.

 

Anthony says Dalton is not a bust.  That he has a great feel for zones.

 

He says to judge a draft pick, you must give two years to evaluate.  So write off last season, and see if Dalton can build upon rookie season.

 

I don’t hate Dalton or Keon.  I always root for them.  I’m disappointed in both.  But I most definitely would rather be wrong, and have both excel for the Bills.

I very much subscribe to the 3 year rule when judging rookies, so Keon still has this year and next year.

 

Kincaid needs to make a big stride in year 3, but we are no longer the offense he was drafted into. 

On 5/12/2025 at 7:23 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

For context, that likely puts him around 225-230 pounds. 

[MJS]

10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Kincaid had the lowest catch rate (58%) of all eligible TE's in 24'.  He's gotta step up his entire game in year 3 or I'm afraid it's over for him.  "You know what you got after 3 years".

He also had a very low percentage of catchable passes thrown to him.

[mjt328]

Players should always get at least 3 seasons in the NFL before making a judgment call on them.

That said, Kincaid has been pretty underwhelming (at best) so far.  Even before his mid-season injury.

 

I keep hearing how impressive his route running is from film watchers.  But if he's getting open a ton, our MVP quarterback isn't finding him.

His draft report was all about hands, but he's had a big problem with drops... and I can't recall him making any impressive catches either.

YAC isn't really a strength either (at least Dawson Knox can run people over).  Blocking has always been a weakness.

 

He needs a big season to quiet the doubters.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

13 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Players should always get at least 3 seasons in the NFL before making a judgment call on them.

That said, Kincaid has been pretty underwhelming (at best) so far.  Even before his mid-season injury.

 

I keep hearing how impressive his route running is from film watchers.  But if he's getting open a ton, our MVP quarterback isn't finding him.

His draft report was all about hands, but he's had a big problem with drops... and I can't recall him making any impressive catches either.

YAC isn't really a strength either (at least Dawson Knox can run people over).  Blocking has always been a weakness.

 

He needs a big season to quiet the doubters.

2023 counts.

 

80% catch rate (58% in 24).

311 YAC (274 in '24)

4.4% drop rate (8% in '24)

 

When targeted, Kincaid's catchable pass rate was in the 30's, but his open rate was high. 
 

He needs to stay healthy and get on the same page as Allen. His 2024 wasn't as good as we all hoped, but he did plenty of good things and his profile as a whole is still promising. 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Even all his useless hubbub about his weight, why does it even matter?

 

At 240, he's a mediocre blocker. We didn't draft him to block. We drafted him to be a weapon in the passing game. He can do that at 220, 230, or 240 pounds. Who cares? 

[oldmanfan]

Let’s just shoot him

[Pete]

6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Even all his useless hubbub about his weight, why does it even matter?

 

At 240, he's a mediocre blocker. We didn't draft him to block. We drafted him to be a weapon in the passing game. He can do that at 220, 230, or 240 pounds. Who cares? 

So he can make it through a season healthy.  Not to mention, I can’t recall Dalton breaking thru a tackle.  It seems the first guy hits Dalton and he goes down.  So added muscle would help him break tackles