Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/elijah-moore-stat-shows-why-bills-wide-receiver-could-explode-with-josh-allen/ar-AA1E4u5Q

 

Remember.. Armari Cooper came from same GARBAGE QB from a bad system. did he have a couple drops? yes.. 

 

This Article explains why I feel you are wrong kind sir.  We do not know how good he really is tier wise cause he came from the freaking Jets and Cleveland. 

Its funny how Bills Fans are so low on this guy and Media actually like him.. 

 

People are still mad the Bills didn’t draft the receiver they wanted. Poke holes in Moore, yet Moore is more interesting than pretty much everyone in the draft not named Golden. 

[chris heff]

Can we please cut Bigstu some slack. That being said have you guys heard the Bills signed Elijah Moore?

[transient]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

Can we please cut Bigstu some slack. That being said have you guys heard the Bills signed Elijah Moore?

What about Zach Ertz? Any news on that front?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

10 minutes ago, transient said:

What about Zach Ertz? Any news on that front?

I feel like this move would put us over the top! 🫣

[BADOLBILZ]

53 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

People are still mad the Bills didn’t draft the receiver they wanted. Poke holes in Moore, yet Moore is more interesting than pretty much everyone in the draft not named Golden. 

 

 

Poke holes?😂   He was literally one of the worst WR in the NFL last year.  

 

Bringing in a player who gets his team beat by causing turnovers with stupid and/or sloppy play is a step in the wrong direction.   Didn't we learn that getting rid of turnover creators like Gabe Davis and Lil' Dummy McKenzie was a net positive?    Moore doesn't even address the need for deep threat on the boundary.   He's redundant but so much worse than Shakir/Samuel.

48 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Can we please cut Bigstu some slack. That being said have you guys heard the Bills signed Elijah Moore?

 

 

Big Stu's third wife wants a much bigger life insurance policy than his previous two mistakes.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Poke holes?😂   He was literally one of the worst WR in the NFL last year.  

 

Bringing in a player who gets his team beat by causing turnovers with stupid and/or sloppy play is a step in the wrong direction.   Didn't we learn that getting rid of turnover creators like Gabe Davis and Lil' Dummy McKenzie was a net positive?    Moore doesn't even address the need for deep threat on the boundary.   He's redundant but so much worse than Shakir/Samuel.

So you're saying there's room for improvement.  Do the Bills pro scouting department knows what it's doing when it comes to WR?  Every year it seems like somebody is trying to sell me a WR who's never had over 900 yards receiving being unlocked because of Josh Allen (Harty, Sherfield, Samuel, MVS, Crowder, Isabella even).  I'm hearing the same sales pitch now with Palmer and Moore.  The one's that have worked out (Brown, Beasley, Sanders, Diggs) did it before.  At least with Hollins I knew the floor was Jake Kumerow so I wasn't expecting much and was pleasantly surprised every time he made a play. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Redblood]

Sports shows are loving this pickup. Dude is only 25. I watched his pro day video and he was legit

[BillsFanForever19]

22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

So you're saying there's room for improvement.  The Bills pro scouting department knows what it's doing when it comes to WR?  Every year it seems like somebody is trying to sell me a WR who's never had over 900 yards receiving being unlocked because of Josh Allen (Harty, Sherfield, Samuel, MVS, Crowder, Isabella even).  I'm hearing the same sales pitch now with Palmer and Moore.  The one's that have worked out (Brown, Beasley, Sanders, Diggs) did it before.  At least with Hollins I knew the floor was Jake Kumerow so I wasn't expecting much and was pleasantly surprised every time he made a play. 

 

I don't think Elijah Moore is going to be a Superstar. But I don't think he's being asked to be one either. He's a guy we're paying a few million dollars to be our WR5. 

 

You talk about Mack Hollins' floor being Jake Kumerow. Elijah Moore's floor is more than that. He's been pretty consistent in his yardage outputs:

 

2021 - 538 yards

2022 - 446 yards

2023 - 640 yards

2024 - 538 yards

 

Is he someone i'd want starting and think is going to take us over the hump? Absolutely not. But I think for the role he's being asked to play - his 4 years in the league have shown more consistent production than a lot of the names you listed.

 

The truth most likely lies somewhere in the middle of the take that he's one of the worst WR's in Football and the takes that he's some great untapped talent that Josh Allen is going to unlock into a Superstar.

 

I hope he can provide some plays for us when he's called upon. But I'm not getting too high or too low on him. He's a 3.5m, WR5 for us, who's averaged 540.5 yards though 4 seasons in a larger role than he's being asked to be for us.

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I don't think Elijah Moore is going to be a Superstar. But I don't think he's being asked to be one either. He's a guy we're paying a few million dollars to be our WR5. 

 

You talk about Mack Hollins' floor being Jake Kumerow. Elijah Moore's floor is more than that. He's been pretty consistent in his yardage outputs:

 

2021 - 538 yards

2022 - 446 yards

2023 - 640 yards

2024 - 538 yards

 

Is he someone i'd want starting and think is going to take us over the hump? Absolutely not. But I think for the role he's being asked to play - his 4 years in the league have shown more consistent production than a lot of the names you listed.

 

The truth most likely lies somewhere in the middle of the take that he's one of the worst WR's in Football and the takes that he's some great untapped talent that Josh Allen is going to unlock into a Superstar.

 

I hope he can provide some plays for us when he's called upon. But I'm not getting too high or too low on him. He's a 3.5m, WR5 for us, who's averaged 540.5 yards though 4 seasons in a larger role than he's being asked to be for us.

He's had over 100 targets the last two years though so those yards aren't that impressive when he did about the same with the Jets on less targets.  I don't see him getting 100 targets here.  Character concerns scare me with this guy.  He forced his way off the Jets and based upon recent reports he wasn't happy in Cleveland's offense either.  Two teams invested a 2nd round pick in him and he only played for those teams for two years.  I know it's the Jets and the Browns but still.  Both seemed to have no problem moving on from him.  I think if teams thought he has the potential to be a Superstar we wouldn't be able to get him post draft for such a low base salary.  I'll be interested in seeing the contract details to see how much dead cap we would eat if he doesn't make the roster OJ Howard style.

[BillsFanForever19]

38 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Two teams invested a 2nd round pick in him and he only played for those teams for two years.  I know it's the Jets and the Browns but still.  Both seemed to have no problem moving on from him. 

 

It seems to me that the Browns wanted to keep him. You don't throw a UFA Tag on a guy that would make it so that he'd have no choice but to play for you if he were still available by a certain date if you didn't want him on the team.

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

So you're saying there's room for improvement.  Do the Bills pro scouting department knows what it's doing when it comes to WR?  Every year it seems like somebody is trying to sell me a WR who's never had over 900 yards receiving being unlocked because of Josh Allen (Harty, Sherfield, Samuel, MVS, Crowder, Isabella even).  I'm hearing the same sales pitch now with Palmer and Moore.  The one's that have worked out (Brown, Beasley, Sanders, Diggs) did it before.  At least with Hollins I knew the floor was Jake Kumerow so I wasn't expecting much and was pleasantly surprised every time he made a play. 

Im not even sure it’s a Bills pro scouting issue. If a WR in their prime is in free agency, they just aren’t that good. 
 

The only players I could find in the last 5 years who outproduced their best season on their first contract team(s) are Jakobi Myers, Christian Kirk, Kendrick Bourne and Robbie Anderson (Chosen). What a list.
 

Draft and develop WRs instead of paying mid tier money to a free agent is the way to go in the future. I hope Palmer or even Moore can be a great WR but I don’t expect much out of either of them. Shakir, Coleman and Kincaid are our best hopes of improvement in the passing game. The others are simply to have enough bodies to throw out there and occasionally make a play like Mack did.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

Im not even sure it’s a Bills pro scouting issue. If a WR in their prime is in free agency, they just aren’t that good. 
 

The only players I could find in the last 5 years who outproduced their best season on their first contract team(s) are Jakobi Myers, Christian Kirk, Kendrick Bourne and Robbie Anderson (Chosen). What a list.
 

Draft and develop WRs instead of paying mid tier money to a free agent is the way to go in the future. I hope Palmer or even Moore can be a great WR but I don’t expect much out of either of them. Shakir, Coleman and Kincaid are our best hopes of improvement in the passing game. The others are simply to have enough bodies to throw out there and occasionally make a play like Mack did.

Good point.  Teams have gotten wiser imo of letting quality WR's hit the open market.  Jerry Jeudy is the only other one that comes to mind although he did technically sign an extension before the 5th year of his rookie deal.

 

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It seems to me that the Browns wanted to keep him. You don't throw a UFA Tag on a guy that would make it so that he'd have no choice but to play for you if he were still available by a certain date if you didn't want him on the team.

I think they knew the relationship was done and that he might even take less in guarantees to play for another team.  At worst you're stuck together on a pretty team friendly deal.  Smart of them to do with the comp pick formula (wish they would do away with comp picks tbh).

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Good point.  Teams have gotten wiser imo of letting quality WR's hit the open market.  Jerry Jeudy is the only other one that comes to mind although he did technically sign an extension before the 5th year of his rookie deal.

yea Jeudy got traded to the Browns then extended

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

So you're saying there's room for improvement.  Do the Bills pro scouting department knows what it's doing when it comes to WR?  Every year it seems like somebody is trying to sell me a WR who's never had over 900 yards receiving being unlocked because of Josh Allen (Harty, Sherfield, Samuel, MVS, Crowder, Isabella even).  I'm hearing the same sales pitch now with Palmer and Moore.  The one's that have worked out (Brown, Beasley, Sanders, Diggs) did it before.  At least with Hollins I knew the floor was Jake Kumerow so I wasn't expecting much and was pleasantly surprised every time he made a play. 

 

 

Yeah @MrEpsYtown is one of our best posters but he has it backward.   Poking holes implies that something looks like it will be great but obscure reasons are being made why it won't.   Moore was horrendous last year and has never been good.   He's more holes than whole.

 

You are spot on that the guys that have worked out had proven their ability elsewhere.   Good receivers can put up stats wherever they are.   In many cases the stats are even better when they are one of the top targets and the QB doesn't see the field well because they get force-fed the ball.   Jerry Jeudy had a breakout year with that bad Browns QB situation.   Moore should have done the same but there is no putting lipstick on that pig of a season he just had.   His traditional bulk stats were terrible for a 100 target guy and his advanced stats were even worse.   

 

We can hope that he learns how to play WR.   That's where we should be with this signing.

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah @MrEpsYtown is one of our best posters but he has it backward.   Poking holes implies that something looks like it will be great but obscure reasons are being made why it won't.   Moore was horrendous last year and has never been good.   He's more holes than whole.

 

You are spot on that the guys that have worked out had proven their ability elsewhere.   Good receivers can put up stats wherever they are.   In many cases the stats are even better when they are one of the top targets and the QB doesn't see the field well because they get force-fed the ball.   Jerry Jeudy had a breakout year with that bad Browns QB situation.   Moore should have done the same but there is no putting lipstick on that pig of a season he just had.   His traditional bulk stats were terrible for a 100 target guy and his advanced stats were even worse.   

 

We can hope that he learns how to play WR.   That's where we should be with this signing.

 

Elite WR's can put up good stats wherever they are.. to your first bolded.. no one is saying Moore is elite.. 

 

To the second BOLDED..   these are horrible takes.. 

Jeudy needed 145 targets to get to 1200 yards..   and the next WR had 102 targets over 500 yards.. that was Moore. If Moore was their #1 WR then your statement would be correct in saying "why did he not produce more.  Cause the 2 players played different roles on the team. A team with a bad QB.  How many WR's had better career numbers here with JA then with their prior teams.  I lost count. 

 

Then you claim Moore should of done the same? as Juedy? Who here is saying Moore is ELITE?  No one.. what we are saying is.. cause the QB he played for in a bad system..  Moore's ceiling is unsure of. 

 

the hate on these boards is just nuts. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Elite WR's can put up good stats wherever they are.. to your first bolded.. no one is saying Moore is elite.. 

 

To the second BOLDED..   these are horrible takes.. 

Jeudy needed 145 targets to get to 1200 yards..   and the next WR had 102 targets over 500 yards.. that was Moore. If Moore was their #1 WR then your statement would be correct in saying "why did he not produce more.  Cause the 2 players played different roles on the team. A team with a bad QB.  How many WR's had better career numbers here with JA then with their prior teams.  I lost count. 

 

Then you claim Moore should of done the same? as Juedy? Who here is saying Moore is ELITE?  No one.. what we are saying is.. cause the QB he played for in a bad system..  Moore's ceiling is unsure of. 

 

the hate on these boards is just nuts. 

You gotta look at everyting like Christmas presents. A new QB is like getting a new laptop. Defensive players are like getting clothes and OL is like getting underwear. WRs are like toys. People wanted a new toy, still in its original packaging, under their training camp tree. What they got instead is a toy from Goodwill with scratches. 

[Allen2Moulds]

Its all about expectations. No one shoukd be seeing this as a Diggs replacement, but as others have put it, he's replacing Hollins roster spot. That being said, this guy has been a part of the 2 most dysfunctional organizations in the league. He came into the league with lots of potentially, and although he's underwhelmed, he has a real shot of reaching his ceiling with Josh and the Bills. What that is, no one knows for sure. Personally I'd sign up for 800yds. That would be ideal to end up with 3-4 guys with 800 plus yards. That's a lot more dangerous than just having 1 with 1500.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, LEBills said:

Im not even sure it’s a Bills pro scouting issue. If a WR in their prime is in free agency, they just aren’t that good. 
 

The only players I could find in the last 5 years who outproduced their best season on their first contract team(s) are Jakobi Myers, Christian Kirk, Kendrick Bourne and Robbie Anderson (Chosen). What a list.
 

Draft and develop WRs instead of paying mid tier money to a free agent is the way to go in the future. I hope Palmer or even Moore can be a great WR but I don’t expect much out of either of them. Shakir, Coleman and Kincaid are our best hopes of improvement in the passing game. The others are simply to have enough bodies to throw out there and occasionally make a play like Mack did.

 

 

Yeah Beane is late to the party when it comes to the value of drafting and developing WR talent.   He's had a couple day 3 guys pan out as high end WR3's in Davis and Shakir.   But everything else Allen has had at WR has had to be acquired at great expense thru trade or free agency.    Those moves tend to yield very short term rewards and then you gotta' double down with another vet etc..

 

But they are necessary when you don't take shots in the draft.  WR is not an easy position to evaluate........there is a high failure rate, for sure.   You gotta' take shots.  Over the years we've pointed out a lot of players Beane has passed over who would have been excellent additions to the WR corps.  

 

But also, Beane's obsession with trading up on day 1 and 2 for anything but a WR has cost them some picks that would have been well spent on WR.   The Edmunds trade up cost them pick 65.   The next WR selected after pick 65 was Michael Gallup........who would have been an outstanding fit with Allen.    The next year they traded up for Cody Ford.   It was only 2 spots up but the next WR picked after the selection they dealt(158) was Darius Slayton.  Two guys who would have provided a key missing element for the team in the early 2020's.   So it's not even just the actual picks it's a combination of non-swings and failed trade-ups.